Car Commercials, the good, the bad, and the annoying!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    Something like that. But as long as I'm not really wrong... :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    But is the humor intentional? :shades:
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    But if you look at when he pulls up (from inside the house) it's a different driveway with different shrubs.

    Looks like they took a quick clip of the house to use as the basis shot.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,403
    Amen and halleluiah. I can guarantee you my wife is not spoiled and likes her ES300. Until retiring she was a third grade teacher, definitely NOT Fintail's demographic for spoiled Lexus drivers.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I'm more after the SUV crowd, the ES is a fairly harmless oldster mobile :shades:
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,055
    I'm more after the SUV crowd, the ES is a fairly harmless oldster mobile
    Lexus SUVs actually seem pretty rare around these parts. I'll usually see the aging, sagging, former trophy wives trolling around in SC430's, while used LS400 and 430 sedans seem to be the latest fad for the poseur crowd to park out in front of their section 8 housing.

    I don't see very many of the newer LS460's around. Most common Lexus seems to be the ES350, which seems harmless enough that I can't make any derogatory generalizations about. Mainly purchased by well-off, middle-aged to older people who want a nice, upscale, comfy car that doesn't draw too much attention to itself.

    There's a woman at work who drives a black GS hybrid. She's pretty high up the income ladder though, so it's not like she's stretching to afford it. At one time, she had some low-production BMW roadster, like a Z-8 or something like that? I heard it got lost in a divorce, though.

    I kinda like the older ES300 models. I thought they were really attractive, with their rakish lines, low roof, and frameless door windows that gave it a faux hardtop look. I thought they messed it up with the ES330 though, which just looked fat, and had those peeled-back headlights.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    GS hybrid is a rare bird, if one must have a GS that might be the one to take just for the oddity. A BMW Z8 is even less common, those things are still worth 100K, have barely depreciated.

    I agree about the frameless door window ES - they did a better job at differentiating themselves from the Camry than later models, and the stretched out headlights of the 02+ model aren't exactly pretty. Just like the Faberge egg RX and the pretentious other models, which are big in these parts.

    I have known two younger people with used LS - both got them as parental hand me downs, one a nearly 200K mile 02 model that's in amazing condition.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited November 2011
    the Faberge egg RX and the pretentious other models

    I guess I don't see what's different about that vs. an GLK, XC60, Q5, EX35, etc. If you think about it, every one is trying to copy Lexus' sales success. Maybe Lexus hit the sweet spot in terms of size?

    At least the RX can carry a decent amount of cargo, unlike an X6 or an FX37. To me those seem more pointless.

    BMW Z8 is even less common


    Every time I'm in Ocean City, MD, I see one parked at the marina near Harpoon Hannah's. Owner must be a boat captain or something? Must be a profitable Marlin fishing business.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    edited November 2011
    Maybe, the RX does seem to hit that nail on the head. The clientele is often the same, those who it is a crime to question or mock :shades:

    FX and especially the X6 are in a different segment, IMO...wannabe sporty crossovers, not simple glorified station wagons like the RX/ML/etc. There's no logical reason to buy an X6.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If an RX owner has a good experience, they buy another. They've sustained good sales for quite a while now, must be doing something right.

    Not my cup of tea, though, to be honest. Give me sporty or give me death.

    Just kidding.

    Give me sporty, or give me utility. I want SPACE, acreage, if I'm going to sacrifice fun to drive. Hence a minivan in the fleet, and a roadster with a payload rating of approximately one large adult. :D
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    They know their target market, and it's a doozie.

    The "S" and "U" in "SUV" are usually mutually exclusive if the "S" has anything to do with driving characteristics. The acronym itself has always amused me, maybe the "S" means it can haul sports gear, which a normal sedan or wagon could never do, of course :shades: :sick:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Every once in a long while, I agree with you 100%, and this is one of those times.

    The RX (and XC60, and GLK, and Q5, etc) are basically trendy crossover wagons. People buy them for the space and high vantage point, though those likely have legitimate appeal to the female target buyer.

    The X6 doesn't make sense to me, though, if you want sporty, why buy 3 tons of vehicle? And forget utility. I've never liked the smallish FX and EX models, either, to be fair.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    edited November 2011
    They have replaced the wood paneled wagon - which was once a vehicle for affluent buyers in top of the line trim. They sell to their demographic for sitting high visibility more than anything else, and for many, to pose. All of the "housewives" types out there seem to want everyone to know their days are spent shopping and doing pilates, and a nice RX or GX screams that like few others :shades:

    The new style FX is just too ugly to take seriously. And it's big, yet has a low greenhouse with poor visibility.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,055
    Every time I'm in Ocean City, MD, I see one parked at the marina near Harpoon Hannah's. Owner must be a boat captain or something? Must be a profitable Marlin fishing business.

    Maybe it belongs to the ex-husband of the lady here at work? :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    First it was wagons, then minivans, then body-on-frame SUVs, then crossover SUVs. Wonder what's next? Maybe the crossover "coupe"?

    The trendy people get tired pretty quick, then start buying something else.

    I don't mind the space and the AWD, to be honest. Our Forester parks in a length shorter than a Cobalt but offers tons of room inside, and gets around in the worst weather.

    I wouldn't call it trendy, though. Escape and CR-V sales dwarf it.

    The real pretenders are the crossovers that aren't even AWD.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/29/cruze-soul-and-wrangler-among-americas-25-hot- test-products-for/

    Kia's hamster ads are legendary, while Jeep's marketing deal with the Call of Duty video game franchise has proven successful.

    Neither should surprise anyone.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I think things like the Evoque and even the X6 are really a progression toward that crossover coupe. And then we have the unsightly CrossCabrio.

    Forester could be trendy in some areas. In the PNW? Yeah. New England? Yeah. Georgia? Not so much.

    Heck, you can even get 2WD "Jeeps".
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    First it was wagons, then minivans, then body-on-frame SUVs, then crossover SUVs. Wonder what's next? Maybe the crossover "coupe"?

    The trendy people get tired pretty quick, then start buying something else.


    In reality, the wagons and minivans were all about utility. BOF SUV's came about just as the first boomers were reaching their mid 40's. Boomers are the first generation that cared more about themselves than others so the gravitated to anything that drew attention to themselves.

    The manufacturers picked up on this and started marketing more and more SUV's up until it wasn't fashionable to drive one. So the new focus is now onto CUV's.

    Overall, the car market today is more about marketing wants than about capability/needs. 90% of the auto market could get by with a Camry/Accord/Sonata with a 4 cylinder and automatic. No need for SUV's, pickups or M/AMG/IPL/LFA variants. IMHO anything other than a basic mid-size car or wagon or minivan/people mover is all about convincing the world of what you want them to think of you.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    edited November 2011
    Forester could be trendy in some areas. In the PNW? Yeah. New England? Yeah. Georgia? Not so much.

    Trendy is not the same thing as popular. Trendy are styling cues such as fender vents. Popular is the Forester in New England.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,353
    The Jeep "Call of Duty" ads were about as vile as the game itself.

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  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    IMHO anything other than a basic mid-size car or wagon or minivan/people mover is all about convincing the world of what you want them to think of you.

    Had a Suburban for 14 years and in the last of its 3.5 years ownership also had/still have a Honda Odyssey. Had to move friends/relatives at times, and (with wife) using both the Suburban and the Ody, the Ody has obviously much more cargo space. Unless you haul a boat or trailer, the minvans (Ody, Toyota, Dodge) are far superior to a Suburban and its variants.

    Some guys though are "afraid" to own, drive a minivan lest they feel folks, other guys will think they are not manly. Perhaps if they drove these with a 5-day stubble they could shore up their confidence.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    Not necessarily, Mr. Contrarian. Subaru sales have been going up at a healthy rate for some time, even in this brave new world economy, undoubtedly some find the cars appealing in more than simple practical ways.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I like the minivan drivers with pent up frustration who drive like jerks, always good for a laugh. Floor that thing! :shades:
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,389
    edited November 2011
    Overall, the car market today is more about marketing wants than about capability/needs. 90% of the auto market could get by with a Camry/Accord/Sonata with a 4 cylinder and automatic.

    In my case those cars would be extremely unsafe; if I had to drive one every day I'd die of boredom. :P

    IMHO anything other than a basic mid-size car or wagon or minivan/people mover is all about convincing the world of what you want them to think of you.

    Not necessarily. Accords, Camrys, and Sonatas make horrible track cars. ;)

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    America isn't about just "getting by" is it?

    Most people could live in a tiny murphy bed kitchen-bath combo studio apartment too.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Not necessarily, Mr. Contrarian. Subaru sales have been going up at a healthy rate for some time, even in this brave new world economy, undoubtedly some find the cars appealing in more than simple practical ways.

    Well if Subarus are "trendy" then I feel bad for them. That means their sales will go drop once people move onto the next trend. If you want to say they've become more popular that's fine. But IMHO, they aren't trendy.

    My take earlier was to say that the vast majority of us don't buy a vehicle for simple reasons. Most - including myself - drive a car for what we want it to say about us. With cars, it's been that way since the 30's when GM started to come out with new models every year and create a marketing driven auto industry. If they hadn't we'd still be driving around in some variation of the Model T.

    Although you like to look down upon Lexus buyers, your E55 and fintail were chosen to poject to the world what you want it to think about you - even if you don't know it yourself. My Odyssey was chosen because it projects stability and quality. My VW Passat shows that I the quality of German engineering but enjoy the value of the VW vis a vis an Audi. My Explorer projects that I'm smart enough to stay out of my wife's way when she says she doesn't want another minivan.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    America isn't about just "getting by" is it? Most people could live in a tiny murphy bed kitchen-bath combo studio apartment too.

    No it's not so why the incessant need to toss digs all the time?

    I can't figure out if you're part of the 99% or if you're ashamed to be part of the 1%.

    :)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited November 2011
    Get back to the topic please?

    (and unless you're on the tube*, I don't think that anyone in here is the topic).

    Thanks!

    (*If you want to cobble together some commercials and put them on YouTube, I suppose we'd all enjoy looking at them. And they'd have to be better than 99% of the schlock out there at any given time. :D )
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    edited November 2011
    Maybe, maybe not. BMWs were trendy in the yuptastic 80s and they continue to sell in droves today. I think in some places, where people want an outdoorsy image, Subies are trendy. When someone I know who bought a Subaru wanted to put a ski rack on it just for the look, I had to think a little.

    I look at the condition of a car saying at least as much about the driver as the car itself, maybe more. A filthy new highline car says many things, as does a pristine 20 year old normal model.

    No digs being made, certainly not one of our beloved 1%. Many people do buy a car as an appliance that says nothing. I don't think my mother bought an appliance white Camry to say anything about herself. I don't know if I want to know what the general population thinks of my cars, but I don't really care either. Nor does or should a Lexus devotee care what I think.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,055
    That Duster ad makes me want to go take a walk among the creatures of the night, get tempted by the fruit of another, and c'mon pretty baby kiss me deadly!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    And buy a (Horizon) Duster, right? ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'll try to stay on-topic, but the only time Subaru got "Trendy" with their advertising was with Croc Dundee. So the late 90s Outback was marketed that way, and the Outback Sport too. Their timing was perfect, as people were leaving gas guzzling SUVs in droves.

    But Martina, touchy feely ads, think-feel-love, all the stuff used to market the Forester is anything but trendy.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I have finally faced it, I'm addicted to love. In my Members Only jacket and neon shoe laces.

    The 80s were such a guilty pleasure. Cars in general were so bad that we needed all that fluff to distract us.

    Where's that hilarious K-car spoof where the guy has a Plymouth Reliant, IIRC, and it talks about the radio "Now with AM"? :D
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Most people could live in a tiny murphy bed kitchen-bath combo studio apartment too.

    Like the former Soviet Union? And, still the same no doubt in today's Russia.

    No. A proper house/home is required. Such as in the current Lexus commercials. Where there is a family of four, presumably husband, wife, children. Then, it is Christmas time and they are together and the fine Lexus Christmas melody is heard. They go outside by nice home with 3-car garage, and surprise, a shiny new black Lexus sedan.

    All posters here, such as fin, be ready in case when with family/friends you suddenly hear the Lexus Christmas melody. Would then be a truly fine Christmas.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I didn't say should, I said could, just as most people could get by just fine with a 4cyl blandbox.

    What you describe is a reality for a minority of Americans no doubt, and shrinking in this globalized new world. Even for Lexus owners/leasers.

    If I hear that melody, I'll be thinking about what I can trade it for. :shades: IS250? No thanks.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Didn't scroll back. Maybe someone already covered this commercial.

    Saw a tv commercial for Buick Lacrosse. Starts out with a couple apparently happy with their new tiny, tiny car. Had a big bow on it. Was it a Smart?

    Then, a Buick drives by slowly, nicely in a suburban home setting. That couple looks at it longingly. The Buick continues to be shown being driven sanely, sensibly on the suburban street. Great commercial.

    Got to say that "all" Buick Lacrosse (new vintage) tv commercials are very well created and produced. Commercials for intelligent adults, not kids.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    I don't know, I think the whole outdoorsy alternative image is pretty trendy in some parts, which certainly doesn't hurt Subie sales. The whole "love" ide might feed into those types.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,055
    And buy a (Horizon) Duster, right?

    Like, no. Like, gag-me-with-a-spatula no! :P

    Although I gotta confess, every once in awhile I do see an early 80's Dodge 400 coupe driving around, in a 2-tone black/silver, that's pretty sharp looking. As plebian as the original K-cars were, some of the more upscale, and later derivatives could be pretty nice.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Found it - still hilarious:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jagsc4AGjwI
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Friendly fire, though? GM is pitching the Sonic and pretty soon, the Spark. They need those small car sales to meet future CAFE standards.

    I guess Buick is marketed to older folks who may not be alive when the new CAFE standards come in to effect. ;)
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    While that may have been true for a long time, these new Buicks are quite a bit better than previous iterations.

    I'm really liking the new Regal Turbo, but I'm too cheap to dump my car yet.

    I keep hoping someone will total it while it's parked...give me an excuse to upgrade... :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    When I was young, a neighbor had an 86 LeBaron coupe. It was a Turbo, seemed pretty loaded, and I remember even then (around 1991-92) it seemed old, but the owner liked it. In 92 he dumped it though and bought a Caravan. The K-car NYers could be pretty plush.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    Funny, I bet the map light was actually an option. I remember our Tempo had 2 weird map lights somewhat like that - my brother was a little kid at the time and thought they were very cool.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    As far as I'm concerned, this is the only generation of Duster worthwhile:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,525
    My brother who had a Sundance Duster wanted one just like that...not so easy to find a good one for reasonable money anymore,
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    edited December 2011
    Seemed everybody and his brother had one back in the day. One of my college roommates had a tan one with Cragar wheels and the rear jacked-up with air shocks.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    My parents had one of those in Green. My Dad says it is still today one of his favorite cars he's ever owned. They also had a dung brown one with a straight 6 which was supposedly called "Cropduster" edition.

    IMO, this was the heyday of Chrysler and from what I remember hearing from my dad and other family who had cars in teh 70's the products they were putting out were some of the most reliable as well.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    That 225 cid straight six is affectionately known as the "Slant Six," one of the most indestructible engines ever built.
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