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  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    You forgot to mention our brief conversation on internal combustion detonation and the long term effects it has on your engine. Although brief, it was very informative.

    Ok you may be right about the "S" being a testing bed for the Jag, but what difference does it make? The Cougar-S is kaput, and that is what a lot of us were looking forward to. I can't afford a Jag, I can't even afford the insurance on a Jag, so this speculation (if it comes true) doesn't help me, and I'm sure a lot of others feel the same way.

    Also, the concept "S" was equipped with all wheel drive and a 3.0L V6. Both of these were dropped early on, and the would-be production "S" was a front wheel driver with a hyped up 2.5L Duratech.

    I don't mean to sound snippy with you. This is just a real sore subject for a lot of us. It will take some time for the disappointment to fade away.
  • krnchkrnch Posts: 127
    Hi everyone. Been a while since I posted (although I read the posts every day).

    A while back someone described a rattle in the vicinity of the air bag on the passenger side (duct for vent??) Does anyone know a do-it-yourself fix for this?
  • krnchkrnch Posts: 127
    Nice flag, eh?
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    (Badulah gets up on top of his desk, stands up straight, and clears his throat)

    O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
    What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?

    Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight, O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?

    And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.

    O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    It might of been me that mentioned the rattles located in the passenger airbag vacinity. This is only one rattle I was able to fix and unfortunately several others have sprouted up in it's place!!!!

    Here's what I did to fix it: Open your glove box and place your hand in the opening between the upper part of the glove box(lip) and the edge of the dash. If you put your hand up in the dash board you will feel a plastic vent. Pull the vent towards the rear of the car gently but firmly. Mine sort of snapped in. It appears the vent had come loose. I hope this helps. Please ask if you need more help!!
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Posts: 318
    Hey, folks,

    Hope everyone is having a nice, albeit a very winter-like March 2001.

    FLAGS: Like those national flags -- is that an profile feature or something you added to your profile as a photo option?

    WATER LEAKS: Well, it rained like chicks crying during "Steel Magnolias" here in Atlanta yesterday. Luckily, the window leaks on my '99 Cougar V-6 appear to crop up only (a) in automatic carwashes and (b) when 45mph wind gusts force rainwater in while the car is parked. The latter happened yesterday.

    NEW COUPE IN THE WORKS: Did anyone fork out more than $20K for a loaded Cougar in 1999? Just curious. Between then and now, you might have saved enough extra to plop down $26K for the upcoming Mercedes-Benz C-class coupe (a.k.a. hatchback in the vein of the BMW 318ti). It arrives in the U.S. this summer.

    6-speed manual transmission, glass roof with automatic sunshades, and tons of standard safety features. It comes with a Kompressor engine, which I guess means supercharged. Also standard traction and skid protection control systems. Check it out in last week's issue of AutoWeek.

    BADULAH -- WEB VIDEO: Badulah -- get in touch with me if you're still interested in posting/hosting some web video from Cougar events.

    Y'all have a nice week.
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Posts: 318
    Never mind my earlier question -- Town Hall automatically answered it ;-)
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Sounds like a good deal, but I bet the insurance here in NJ will be sky high.

    Legal robbery is what it is!!
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    I am not sure the reliability of a Mercedes Benz is any better than our cars. My Mom drives a '99 MB E320 and that thing is in the shop all the time. It leaks oil, gas guage doesn't work properly, parts break in the car(cup holder), so on. The new MB is sweet though!!!!
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Lets not forget about the cost of maintenance on MBs. I know that is an expense I don't need.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    They are very expensive to maintain. But, They do come with free maintenance for 4years or 50,000 miles.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Thats not a bad deal, but for me that wouldn't take long. I already have 45,000 on the Cat.

    I guess I could get one and trade it in for a BMW after three years.

  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Posts: 318
    Those points about the maintenance are interesting. I was shocked to hear about the '99 E-class, Fish8. The warranty and free service, though, sound neato. Don't forget that all MBs will start coming with TeleAid (a.k.a. the German version of OnStar) standard. I'm also prone to evaluating maintenace costs in terms of time spent in the shop, which is more important to me than the dollar amount.

    Anyway -- how much did folks spend on loaded '99 Cougars? Anyone spend over $22K? I'm just curious, given that a luxury manufacturer like Mercedes is beginning to drop MSRP prices on similar vehicles into the mid-$20K range. If they don't sell well (like the BMW 318ti), then the price point could drop further.

    Makes you wonder how the market has changed so much for these kinds of cars in the past 2+ years.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    I got my Cat for $17,500, a real steel. I don't have the following options:

    - Traction control (Would have gotten it, but the boob of a salesmen said it wasn't available with the MTX)
    - Leather
    - Full power seat
    - ATX (Don't need to comment on why I didn't get this)
    - Side Air bags (were not available at the time)

  • krnchkrnch Posts: 127
    Thanks, fish8, I'll give it a try.
  • gustafscgustafsc Posts: 361
    got mine for $18,500 out the door (tx, title, etc.. included)

    2 years+ & 20K miles, and I still don't have any rattles or leaks.

    Cougars are getting common around here. I see at least 3 every morning on my commute, and they're not necessarily the same three. Even saw another gold one like mine, and that's rare.

    Skip G.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    burnsmr4: Unfortunately, my Mom's car did not come with the free maintenance. I think they offered that the next year('00). My Dad replaced the front brake pads at about 18K miles and it costs around $400. Thats big bucks!!! My Dad will never buy another MB again. He regrets not buying her a Lexus. Oh Well!!! I don't feel sorry for him at all ;-) Also, I'm not sure if my Mom's experience with her car is commen or not. I was just giving me experience with the brand.

    Skip: I am glad to hear you have not experienced any rattles in your car. I wonder why some cars have them and other don't?
  • harbachjharbachj Posts: 51
    The auto website Autosite ( includes a Market Research Report which lists sales data for almost all cars sold in the US. The Cougar is listed 19th under sporty cars with sales in Feb 2001 of 2109 units (vs. 3251 last year). Sales so far this year are 4009 vs 5493 last year. So sales are off, but the Cougar sold more than if Feb. than the Audi A4, Pontiac Firebird, Acura Integra, Honda Prelude, or Mazda Miata. Interesting.

    Jim H.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Imagine how many they would sell if they advertised?

    Now there's a a thought!!
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Last Friday night when I was coming home from a hockey game I heard an odd noise coming from the drivers side near the rear tire. When I would hit 75-80mph I would hear this slight knocking or banging noise. It sounded like some wires were banging against the wheel well or something. This would only happen at speeds above 70mph. Ideas?
  • We're thinking of buying a 2001 Cougar. Here's what we're considering: Sport and convenience options, power seat, leather, side air bags. We wanted the moon roof but my 6'2" husband doesn't fit. Without it he does, but not with much room. Any suggestions? Other people have the fit problem? We did a test drive yesterday and I liked the 5-speed. Without the options it looks a little stripped.

    Seems I've heard the earlier years had some problems--not screwed together too well. Have things improved? What do you make of the Consumer Reports review? How does the paint on the darker colors hold up? Does the 5-speed really get the 23/34 mpg promised?

    Any advice you'd like to pass along we'll surely consider.

    ... from sunny San Diego!
  • louf22louf22 Posts: 18
    I'm 6'2" and got a 01 Cougar about a month ago. I've got the sport and convenience packages and the 5spd. No moonroof. I got plenty of headroom but I have the seatback reclined a bit so I get more of the straight arms out I like in driving. I think the fit is just about perfect. I've had no problems but only have about 1000 miles on it.

    I'm skeptical of 34mpg on the highway but am getting nearly 24mpg around town. I've got the V6. I had a 98 Contour with the same engine/transmission and only got about 28mpg highway. The Cougar shares about 70% of its parts with the Contour.

    Now that I've got it about broken in and am getting on it more, I'm realizing what a well put together package the Cougar is. Loving it more by the day. Everything works so well together.

  • jdbishopjdbishop Posts: 36
    I have the V6, MTX and get between 22 & 24 around town. On short highway trips, 250 to 500 miles I get around 28, but on one long trip from Houston to Virginia Beach and return, I got 31.3 for the entire trip (3100 miles). The fuel economy figures on my sticker show 19 city and 28 highway. Where are you seeing the EPA rating of 34? Are you sure that this is not the figure for the I-4? My car goes in for its 30K inspection next week. The car has and is performing perfectly.
  • bkjprincebkjprince Posts: 12
    Dear san deigo,

    When I was shopping, I had touble working the swithches on the power seats in the car and thought the seat wouldn't go down to increase head room, but eventually I got it to work. Maybe that is the difference between the two 6' 2"s?

    PS. to CSG still waiting for my MTX to arrive. The joyous date is officially 4/13.
  • Thanks for the responses so far. I recalled the 23/29 EPA ratings previously but believe those were on the 2000 5-speed. That's why I was surprised on this visit to see the 23/34. I'd be happy with 30. Hope to hear more.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    On the highway I usually get around 29-31mpg. Around town my average is 24/25mpg.

    I have had my Black Cat for well over two years and she now has 45,000 miles on her. The paint looks GREAT. Of course there is the occasional front bumper ding from road debris, but that is to be expected.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    sdmartin4: Re reliability: I would guess that the '01 Cougars are much better than the early '99s. It's just an unfortunate bye product of newly designed cars that they will have some teething issues. All problems should of been resolved by the time your car was produced. Good luck with your car shopping and I totally recommend the Cougar. It is a great car.

    I brought my car in yesterday to get the tires rotated and balanced. The tech said that my tire wear is not that bad and as long as I rotate them every 4-5K miles they should be fine. I think I was being a little paranoid about the wear.

    I also washed my car yesterday and she is sparkling. My paint has been great and seems very high quality.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Have a good weekend all!!!

  • louf22louf22 Posts: 18
    Visteon is making available their MP3 indash unit on Monday, according to their website.

    They say it will fit selected Ford products and will be easy to install. It will play CDs with MP3 coded music. They claim a CD can hold something like 10 hours of MP3 music. It will available through Ford-Mercury dealers and, I thought I saw somewhere it will be priced $150-200 (seems pretty cheap, as Crutchfield sells an Aiwa unit for about $300).

    This unit looks like it will fit the Cougar. It appears to be the same size as my indash CD changer.


  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    This place is dead!!!!

    Good Monday morning!!

    Does everyone still own their Cougars? or Did you trade them in this weekend? ;-)
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