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Same here...
http://www.subaru.ca/interface/Subaru02/WebPage.asp?WebPageID=6129&Range=Foreste- r&ModelYear=2007&WebSiteID=282
Bob
wow... I've had hoped to get a good deal on '07 when a new model '08 starts arriving (still sort of low on cash)... still, probably overall is a good news.
This is not to be confused with the old 1.5i, which has been offered for years. The new "R" engine is a DOHC with variable valve timing, and puts out 108 hp. The new engine is more eco-friendly and gets better gas mileage than the old "i" version. It's also more powerful, I believe.
I see this as a good sign, as it shows Subaru still has interest in the 1.5L size, and still using the boxer engine. I would love to see this engine in a Justy replacement, and sold here to go up against the Scions and Honda Fits—with AWD, of course.
More info and pixs over at nabisco.
Bob
Owen
I hope they at least figure out a way to incorporate stability control.
XT rims looks good - very beefy, substantive. The tires don't quite fill out the wheel well, though. I wonder if they're smaller overall (diameter) than the current one.
-juice
That's probably just an illusion, assuming they're using the 215/55/17, which is supposed to correct the speedo error of the 215/60/16 tires (which read too fast).
Doug
-juice
Bob
http://home.arcor.de/goep/4StudienImpreza.htm
I still think that red people-mover looks pretty darn hot.
That people mover has been around for a while, I had a copy of that pic from way back when. I hope they produce something like it.
Bob: yeah, that's a near-perfect sized Plus One.
-juice
This grouping clearly shows that there are some styling cues that are shared by all: front end, long wheelbase/short rear overhang, and Tribeca-like character rear fender/rear door crease. My guess is these, in some fashion, will make it into production.
Bob
-juice
Paul gives a good first-hand driving report on these models.
Bob
Stella and R2 are MUCH smaller than an Impreza - bigger than a SMART car, but smaller than a Mini or the new Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, Chev Aveo, etc. Maybe Subaru thinks they're too small for the American market, but I'd like to see them sold in urban areas.
Here's a link to the Stella:
http://www.subaru.co.jp/stella/exterior/03/
to the R2:
http://www.subaru.co.jp/r2/
and to the R1:
http://www.subaru.co.jp/r1/
I'm sure Subaru will see how the others do before they decide.
-juice
I'm hoping they'll do something based off of the Yaris chassis (but substantially different interior/exterior plus boxer & AWD) for this market. That'd save them plenty of R&D costs and make it a much smaller risk.
It's always so hard to guess where Subaru's going.
That would probably be too costly, but it might be possible to put the 1.8l Corolla engine in the Yaris hatch. That combo would have quite respectable performance and if offered should have all the safety equipment that is so hard to find in the Yaris hatch.
A well to do retired friend is probably going to get a Yaris partially because it is not only smaller but CHEAPER than a Corolla. Most people think a very small car should have a very small price.
Without the AWD, what's the point in buying the Subaru? Just get a Yaris or Fit.
If the Yaris hatch were stocked by dealers with the optimum accessories and safety equipment you would be correct in there being no advantage for a Subaru-labeled version. Check the Yaris threads for all the complaints about dealer stock!
A Subaru version priced with the equipment might be priced more like a Corolla........but that is not a problem for the Subaru dealer.
-juice
The dealer had some '07 Foresters on the lot. The base Forester does NOT have alloys, as previously reported. It still has the steelies.
Bob
Moonroof deleted, I'm sure they're trying to bring the price down a tad.
-juice
Bob
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/legacy/legacy2007.html
Disappointment in the transmissions - that base model is the only Legacy wagon available with a manual tranny, and the 5-spd. auto didn't make it any farther down the lineup than it is now.
On the plus side, most prices have gone down.
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/outback/outback2007.html
Looks like they're offering a very de-contented Outback "Basic" now. I thought the "Brighton" models didn't sell well, so I'm kinda surprised they're trying it again. De-contented B9 Tribeca, de-contented Outback... these are their 2 most upscale models. Wonder if they're changing their approach on the "premium" thing. At least it's more choices being offered. I guess it kinda makes sense to have an Outback for folks who will beat it up a little bit off of the pavement or wherever. Should appeal to the traditionalist no-frills Subaru owners, hopefully.
Invoice (before dest.) on an Outback Basic, MT, is only $20,720, which is $2500 LESS than last year's cheapest Outback!!
From the regular Outback 2.5i ...it will lose the power driver's seat, limited slip rear differential, cargo cover, cargo tray, cargo power outlet, cross bars, splash guards, 17 inch alloys, tire pressure monitoring system, heated seats, heated exterior mirrors, and Windshield wiper de-icer. gains 16 inch steelies.
Bob
I hate to say I told you so...wait a second. No I don't. In fact, I love saying that.
Told ya so, told ya so, told ya so!
-juice
I'd be wiling to give up most of the stuff, but I'd still want the AWP, and the extra power outlet.
I'd even be OK with the steelies, and a lot of that stuff are accessories you can buy later with Subaru Bucks, as you accumulate them. You can add cross bars. You can't add heated seats, though.
-juice
- Technically you can, they'll just be after-market. I had looked into them back when I had gotten my 2000 OB. At that time it was around $1000 for dual heated seats. I can only imagine what it would be now.
Mark
Yes, they may be offering more on the low end, but I bet most models are up in price (and content), especially top trim level models of the Tribeca, Outback and Legacy.
What I see is a wider price spread between the cheapest Subarus and the most expensive ones.
Bob
I like the Limited package, don't get me wrong, but I think it's pricey. The price really jumps a lot from 2.5i to Limited, for any model.
-juice
-juice
Bob
If that true, great. Maybe they just rearranged the content somewhat? I haven't seen anything yet on pricing or vehicle content to really comment, other than the new added optional equipment the Tribeca gets. I bet a loaded '07 'Beca is more than a loaded '06 model. Last year there no rear backup sensors or rear camera.
Bob
Realistically, the vehicle is already pre-wired. Just need the switch and seats; I sure that would not be hard to scavenge.
-Dave
What's next, SRS BOW WOW (for dogs) and pretty soon SRS WOW HOW NOW BROWN COW?
-juice
http://www.srslabs.com/home100.asp
It's some type of digital processing to "enhance" the sound and make it more 3D-like. I have it on my TV, and it's not fantastic, but is okay.
-juice
~Colin
On the other hand, maybe they'll do a decent job. One can hope.
Gas mileage has been one of Subaru's weak points for years, so any improvement would be good. I have an OB XT, and around town it's a thirsty pig (about 15), and on the highway, it gets about its mediocre EPA rating of 25. I don't understand why Boxsters, BMWs, etc. can get 30, when comparably powered Subarus are mired in the mid 20s. AWD doesn't result in a 5mpg penalty. I wish Subaru had something along the lines of the VW/Audi 2.0 FSI (and the DSG transmission for that matter!) to provide decent power with good gas mileage.
Anyway, glad to see that the 2007s are potentially easier on the gas, as well as improved in a number of other areas (VDC, etc.)
Doug