Subaru Crew - Modifications II

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Very nice rims. They'll show off your brake discs nicely.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Stephen- Nice. They look very light weight. How do they compare to the OE rims?

    -Frank P.
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I just got the new wheels/tires mounted and took pics. I added them to the WRXmods album. Let me know what you all think. A couple of things strike me right away. First, these wheels will be much easier to clean than the stockers. Second, the tires really fill out the wheelwells, especially in the rear. Third, if and when I get Tein coilovers I will need to pay particular attention to the rear camber. There's not a whole lot of room for error there.


    http://photos.yahoo.com/barresa62


    Stephen

  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    pretty sharp!

    but maybe you should have gotten gold. ;-)

    -Colin
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    just one word..............REALLY NICE!!!!!
    (wait, that's 2 words)
    Yet another Serge
  • oclvframeoclvframe Member Posts: 121
    Any different? Is there a noticable difference in the ride quality, grip, etc?

    BTW the wheels look nice...good job. Any thoughts on some 35% tint on the windows? (just enough to give it a little privacy?)

    -r
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Just kiddin'

    Colin: I'm not a big fan of gold wheels but they did look nice on that pic of a white previous generation Impreza RS. Hey...I still have the gaudy blue rim border stickers in blue I could put on. :-)

    Frank: LOL, yes. I wanted to get a reality shot you know. Actually, the sun came out for a few minutes after I took the pics....go figure. Also, they say a chance of some snow this weekend. Right after I take the snow tires off. Oh well, it never stays around for long so no worries.

    Serge: Thanks. Actually, if you say the words really fast it becomes one! :-)

    Robert: Just had driven the WRX back from the tire place right before I took the pics so not too much opportunity to test the tires. I did notice more grip as in less tire rolling over themselves. Of course, I'm comparing this to the Dunlop Wintersports I had on prior. Actually, compared to the winter tires, the ride is actually noticeably smoother. I do notice the tires follow the road imperfections more but not obnoxiously so. I'll have more impressions later as I have some errands to do around the area. I'll let you know my further impressions.

    Funny, I've been thinking about tint for a while. 35% is the legal limit in WA State and I'll get at least that. Right now, it's kind of gray and cloudy (a typical Seattle winter) so it hasn't been a priority.

    Stephen
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Stephen - Those wheels do look sharp! Congrats on finally making a decision.

    Now I have a question about weight.
    Earlier, a couple of people commented about too much weight being a bad thing. A 20-something pound wheel could be bad.

    Is there a downside to a wheel like the P7's weight? It's around 20 #, but is made by Prodrive. Hypothetical application is a WRX Wagon driven in NJ (and not that concerned about wheel weight affecting 0-60). :-)

    -Dennis
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Dennis,

    In everyday driving a wheel weighing some 3lb more than stock won't make a bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.

    Professional race drivers that can feel every little thing the car is doing might notice if the wheels (and nothing else) were changed and 3-4lb lighter each, but mere mortals usually cannot.

    But if you go to the extremes then you'd probably notice... i.e. extremely light forged aluminum wheels swapped with some blingin' chromed steel wheels.

    -Colin
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Friday, March 1st around 9PM in the evening I ordered SPT springs (eibachs) and some 98-01 2.5RS floormats from subaruparts.com. I've worn through 2 sets of ill-fitting aftermarket mats and figured I'd better get the right ones before they're all gone since the bodystyle changed... And the springs will be mated to my stock top hats and KYB AGX struts so that I can sell my Tein HA coilovers with front Cusco camberplates and rear STi urethane hats.

    Getting back to the order, the parts showed "in stock" on the webpage. Monday 3/4 I received a form-looking email from C. Scott Williams at subaruparts saying that my order was in stock and would ship soon, and I'd receive an email when it did.

    Fast forward nearly two weeks with no other contact. I have no intentions to install the springs until after an autocross on 3/17, so I'm in no rush but a little peeved about "soon" being quite so long... and then finally last night I get the shipping notice direct from Airborne.

    If anything isn't exactly right I'm gonna be upset. As it is, this service sucks... I'm trying Troncalli or Maestro next time. A very convenient website does me no good if the order fulfillment behind the scenes is this slow.

    -Colin
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I love this wheel/tire combo!! The 225/45 Toyo TS-1s really stay planted. The steering feedback is great! There is a little more road groove following w/the 17s but not too bad, some tires are worse in this respect.

    I am one of those people that would notice 3 or 4 lbs more a wheel, and remember this isn't including the heftier weight of a 17" tire vs the 16". My goal was to stay as close to the weight of the UK (and in all other markets outside of N.America) 17" OEM wheel/tire combo. I also don't believe that one has to get a heavier wheel to have gotten a stronger wheel. The only caveat to this is that you will most likely pay more for a strong, lighter wheel.

    Anyhow, I'm enjoying the new wheel/tire combo. I haven't noticed a discernable (by the ole buttmeter)lag in acceleration w/the 17s. Even if there was (or is a measureable difference), I am more than happy with the trade off of better handling. Once again (to quote Jamie, aka Subiegal), "Any fool can go fast in a straight line". :-)

    Stephen
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Very nice, similar design as to what I put on the GT. you will appreciate the fact that they are easy to keep clean in and out.

    I just have to give the inside a wipe with the wash cloth, I can reach in all around the rim.

    The downside you cannot have scruffy loking brakes, ruins the whole appearance, I had the rotors cad plated siver after I had them crossdrilled, I also painted the calipers with red Foliotec Paint, they are also easy to keep clean.

    Cheers Pat.
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I was trying to ignore the fact that you can see my brakes and they're looking a little old compared to the new wheels. Oh well...what's one more project. :-)

    Hey, are you going to make the chat tonight? I'll be able to chat for a short bit before I have to out to dinner.

    Stephen
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Yeah I will make the chat tonight, its not really a big deal to clean up the brakes if they are not already too rusty.

    I did the rotors and calipers right away before they got scruffy,as the rims were about the first thing I put on.

    I had the rims and tires before the car was even delivered.

    Cheers Pat.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    I installed a 12 disc CD changer in the Titan today, I made a removable platform that fits inside the doughnut spare.

    It is easily removable. and the changer is hidden from prying eye,s an added benifit is that it does not take up any cargo space.

    Cheers Pat.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Stephen,

    Just checked out your pics. Very nice wheels. I like what they do to your wagon!

    Ken

    PS. Zelda looks like a cool cat -- I'm a cat person myself.
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I like the way the 17" wheel/tire combo transforms the WRX. They should have come std or at least been a reasonable cost option. In a lot of ways I think SOA rushed this puppy to the N.American market or at least took a very safe, conservative tiptoe. Oh well, the car is great nonetheless but can stand a few tweaks here and there (what car can't, I know...) :-)

    Yeah, Zelda is one cool cat but sometimes she's a little too cool for her own good. We have a test of wills sometimes, which she wins of course!

    Stephen
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Colin: my experience exactly. Very slow, poor service from them. It took SEVEN WEEKS to get my bumper cover and new tail lights (accident damage). 3 weeks for a quote and to process the order, another month for delivery. Price was the best but I simply cannot recommend them, that's pitiful.

    I agree, 17" should be a factory option. Lots and lots of cars come with OE 17" rims now, even the Altima.

    I wax mine at every tire rotation. Inbetween, it's easy as using a wet wipe to clean the wheels. They still look brand new 15k miles later. Wax keeps the brake dust from caking on.

    -juice
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    Very nice, thanks for the additional shots.

    Jim
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    You're welcome. I hope the shots of the tire tread did the trick for you. :-)

    Stephen
  • brekkebrekke Member Posts: 304
    I don't want to sound like an evangelist for libertysubaru.com, but their prices are very close to subaruparts.com and service is better. I usually get emailed back the next day. Shipping is also cheaper.

    They sent me a wrong part, when I realized it 2 months later they ordered and sent me the correct part (which I received). They also sent me a pre-paid UPS form so I could send back the old part for free (still waiting for that)
  • wmiller4wmiller4 Member Posts: 97
    Do they take the MBNA Credit Card Subaru Points Certificates?
  • brekkebrekke Member Posts: 304
    They sure do! (I would think all dealers would accept them.)

    I called in my order, mailed them the coupon with a note, and then when my backordered part arrived they called me to settle the difference with a credit card. Two days later, I had my stuff.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cool Caroline. What did you buy with it? You have a few mods on the OBS right?

    -juice
  • brekkebrekke Member Posts: 304
    only one mod: the 20mm rear sway bar.

    I've also put in a leather shift boot and leather steering wheel cover.
    (I mean I sort of helped someone else do 95% of the work. The shift boot was the hardest.)

    With my coupon I bought: sway bar, rubber floor mats, cabin air filter, oil filter + washer which of course took me well over $100 but shipping was only $7.

    I feel so much better charging $3333 knowing I can get a $100 coupon :P
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It would be cool if you could put reimburseable business expenses on a card. :-)

    -juice
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    My Forester tells me he really wants bigger meatier tires, to impress all those cute Imprezas around(spring time influence?).

    Is 215/60-16 the biggest (tallest) tire you can put on the OEM 16" rims w/o rubbing, or can you go bigger?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I saw one guy with 225/60R16 Michelins on his stock rims at Da Big Meet in Rockville. I don't recall the exact model tire, though. He said it didn't rub, but it looked close.

    You can't go much bigger than that. I also have 225/60R16, but my wheel offset puts them farther out from the body. Still, they very nearly rub, just at the limit.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    What if you did a plus zero and went to a 225/55R16 instead?

    Ken
  • jeijei Member Posts: 143
    I just put 225/60R16 Dunlop Sport SP A2 tires on my "S". No rubbing, look great. Very happy so far. More later.

    John
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I finally quit procrastinating and am getting the Vishnu Stage 0 performance upgrade. The introductory price of $995 is still in effect but there's a 2wk shipping backlog. The overall driveability, especially the torque down low area is improved. The HP goes up to between 265 - 275hp. Shiv is the man in charge. He is currently burning the midnight oil to get the Stage1 released to the public. Stage1 consists of a 3"(all the way to the tip) turboback exhaust system w/a performance cat. There is a beautiful Vishnu-made downpipe thrown in the mix. Prices haven't been announced yet. I'm going to live w/the Stage0 for awhile before getting the Stage1. The installation time (for those that know how to do this sort of thing) for the Stage0 is about 30mins. Shiv's big focus is everyday driveability and reliability. He painstakingly puts together pkgs to achieve this. He does an inordinate amount of dyno and real world testing before releasing any mod to the public. I'm excited....but you couldn't tell this, right? :-)

    Kit Consists of:

    Vishnu Up-pipe

    Vishnu Underdrive Pulley

    Vishnu-Tuned Unichip

    Manual Boost Controller

    Colder Spark Plugs

    Waiting in Seattle,
    Stephen
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Congrats and keep us posted!
    Are you sure about the 30 min. installation time, or is that just the Unichip?

    -Dennis
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    They keep saying 30mins for the whole pkg so I just regurgitated the info. I probably won't be doing the install myself unless I can get some help. It would take me a full 30mins just to sum up the courage to do it myself, LOL. I may just let the Subaru specialist shop in my area do it instead. I'll certainly post the install impressions and/or driving review. :-)

    Stephen
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    30 minutes is pretty optimistic for those modifications. I'm sure it could be done by an experienced servicer or even hobbyist, but there's no way Joe User could follow the installation instructions and be done in 30 minutes.

    Good luck Stephen! Sounds like fun. Didn't need that powertrain warranty anyway, eh? ;-)

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It took about 4 guys a good hour+ to do the downpipe at installfest a few weeks ago. Also 1/2 hr to go buy a replacement bolt.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Congrats, Stephen, sounds like it'll be a real giant killer. Keep it stealthy to surprise folks.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Stephen,

    Sweet! I'm sure you will, but keep us posted on the installation experience as well as the before and after impressions.

    So, what made you choose the Vinshu over the Cobb kit?

    Ken
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I was hampered by the powertrain warranty deal but I got over it by taking a leap o'faith. I have confidence that Shiv's Vishnu pkgs won't cause powertrain problems. If anything, It would be my carelessness. However, I've turned over a new leaf since getting the first Subaru, meaning religiously adhering to preventive maintenance and such, so I think I'll be fine. Of course, the luck of the Irish would be much appreciated, LOL!

    As far as the 30min installation time....I just laugh when I think of that. Heck, the up-pipe would take all of that by itself. A Subaru specialty shop in N.Seattle (I have a free 30k service certificate from them) told me today that it would be at least a 3hr job to install the Vishnu Stage 0. He was also familiar w/the pkg so I don't have reason to doubt him. I have had several guys over at the Pacific NW i-club offer to help install. One of them installed the pkg already on his WRX. I may just go this route, we'll see.

    I chose the Vishnu pkg(s) over COBB because of Shiv's rep of being a stickler for exceptional performance but not at the risk of reliability or daily driveability. COBB has this same philosophy but in the end I couldn't justify their prices. Shiv has waited to see what TurboXS and COBB have come to the market with and set about creating the best systems he knows how to produce. His knowledge is and attention to detail is truly impressive. I actually talked to him myself despite the fact that he's super busy. My emails have always been attended to in a timely fashion. This is something that has not been true w/COBB. Hey...it's the little things that set businesses apart, especially when both have great reputations.

    Okay...enough keystrokes in this post.. :-)

    Stephen
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    ...but a number of us participate in autocross, rallycross, track days or driving schools so I think this is relevant.


    I just installed a helmet communication system that could be useful in any of those environments and is very affordable.

    image


    This is a Motocomm 550, it is for a late model Motorola TalkAbout. It was $55, and the lowest end TalkAbout will run you about $50-60 and there might be a rebate on it. Motocomm makes other kits as well. If you wanted a constant open comm line, say to dictate during an autocross run, you can simply tape the push-to-talk button down.


    This is far cheaper than ChatterBox or integrated comm systems, plus you can adapt them to any type of helmet you might have. My Arai Quantum /f just happened to be particularly well suited to it because of the removable cheekpads. The speakers come with an adhesive velcro backing and generally you stick them to the liner, hopefully in earwells if the helmet has them. I pulled my cheekpads, removed the padded front of the speaker and inserted them inside the cheekpad liner. I cannot even tell the speakers are there!


    Besides that, I placed the microphone under the mount vent and tucked in all the wiring. I plan to leave the system in full time and you could too if you integrate it well. When not using the system I'd just tuck in the cable to my jacket on a motorcycle or let it hang free while driving a car.


    Five high resolution (1.3 megapixel, 200kb) pics are here:

    http://home.kscable.com/lockes/motocomm


    -Colin

  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Stephen,


    Out of curiosity, I went to the Vinshu website and read up on the Stage Zero. The 30 minute install time refers only to their Unichip. They estimate 2-3 hours for the up-pipe and another for the plugs and wiring.


    http://www.vishnuperformance.com/products/stageZero/StageZeroFAQ.html


    Ken

  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Could it be that my excitement at getting the Stage 0 has caused me to short circuit my reading ability? Naw.... LOL! Actually, this makes sense about the install times and matches what Smart Subaru said here in Seattle @ about 3hrs.

    Hey, the hardest part is not the installation times, it's the 2 week backlog wait! :-)

    Stephen
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Stephen - With a dealer doing the install, you're likely to get some type of warranty. My dealer warantees any work they do for 1 year.

    Colin - Are you sure you're old enough to drive? :-p
    Last weekend a few of us met up for a drive through PA and used FRS radios to communicate. Two of the guys had a Motorola headset and it looks like a great idea.

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sounds cool, Colin. Now all you need to do is get it so the telemetry allows your pit crew to reprogram the fuel pressure and timing on the fly in real-time. When you get that figured out, be sure to share it with us! ;-)

    -juice
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I take my WRX to the dealer for it's oil change on Wed and I will ask about them doing the install. I know that Carter Subaru is quite mod friendly but my gut reaction is that this doesn't translate they will do the install and attach some sort of warranty. The only reason I say this is they explicitly do not (aren't allowed by SOA) to warrant or even install any of the STI parts offered through their parts dept. I'm open to being pleasantly surprised though. :-)

    Stephen
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    So, with a system like Vishnu Stage 0, you basically remove the 1st cat and replace it with a new up-pipe among other things, right? Haven't you made your vehicle non-street legal by doing this? How does a dealer get around this technicality? Leaving Magnusson-Moss aside, don't you set yourself up for denial (or at least a hard time) of warranty work by doing this at a dealer?

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    heh, Juice...

    Ok I'll admit it will be pretty rare for me to use this in a car. I posted it on the iClub too, I know there are some folks that could use it there.

    dennis-- young because the helmet is hiding my grey, or because of the design? It's a Tadiyuki Okada replica. (I think he just retired to be a test rider for Honda... I wanted it because it looked cool.)

    -Colin
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I think you're correct. In fact, when I talked to Smart Service (Subaru speciality shop)about the possibility of doing the install, they said "no problem" but I would have to sign a waiver saying the WRX was going to used for off-road purposes. I love all this legal BS (not really...but whatcha' goin' to do?):-) I could always inadvertently shove a screw driver though the stock cats or something. "I don't know how that happened". Actually, the Stage 1 w/the single performance cat is running as clean in the sniffer tests as the stock 3 cats. I like the fact too that Shiv is adamently opposed to running any vehicle on the street w/o cats. Did I say how much I luv' this guy! :-)

    Stephen
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    quote: Actually, the Stage 1 w/the single performance cat is running as clean in the sniffer tests as the stock 3 cats.

    When warm I can believe that. At true cold start though, that's complete rubbish. Subaru would never put a catalyst in front of the turbo unless they absolutely had to.

    -Colin
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