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The gas pump will click off before the filler neck is full to the rim. That should be enough of a hint not to over-fill the tank. Maybe they could invent a hand, that would come out of the gas pump, slap you across the head, and say "Stop pumping". There is only so much the government/car manufacturers can do to save people from themselves. :confuse:
Mrbill
What good is it then to install an 18.5 gallon tank and not use it all to its capacity?
Didn't you say you were able to put over 20 gallons in? Wouldn't that be OVER FILLING? I don't think any of us care how much gas to try to force into your tank. Maybe you would like to add a separate (reserve) tank, so you can fill that one to the rim too. We don't want to argue with you anymore. Do whatever you feel is right. :sick:
But I've noticed that when I start it up and I put the shifter to "reverse" first, then to "neutral", then to "drive", with a slight pause between each shift, then it won't clunk at all. It only clunks very loud and violently when I shift straight from "park" to "drive" quickly.
http://www.hondacarforum.com/h....html
If you are experiencing the same problem, report it to the NHTSA:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm
Show me factual evidence that says the first time a pump clicks off is the total amount of gasoline that should be pumped into the tank. I've been all through my owners manual as well as other owners manuals, gov't publications on car safety, insurance adjusters manuals, etc., and not one of them ever says anything about what you're claiming is to be the truth. If car manufacturers did not want someone to fill the tank completely to the rim without seeping out, then why do the car manufacturers put on a gas tank cap that is vented by design? I've gone through insurance schools in reference to not only selling car, boat, vehicle, etc. insurance but these schools also get into the nitty-gritty of parts and the problems they cause and the problems caused by the occupants, owners, drivers, etc., and not once is there any mention of tank overfill causing problems. Why is that? If your claims were so true, then I'd like to believe that insurance companies would insert brief statements into each and every policy saying they would not pay a claim due to tank overfill. I've also been through state driving schools and gov't schools too for federal drivers licenses while in the military and not one time has there ever been a mention of your claims. I wonder why that is too!
So....where is this factual evidence that supposedly supports your claims? Or is it all fictitious?
I'd be happy to do so, unless the EPA isn't "factual" enough for ya. Below is some enlightening reading.
You need extra room in your gas tank to allow the gasoline to expand. If you top off your tank, the extra gas may evaporate into your vehicle’s vapor collection system. That system may become fouled and will not work properly causing your vehicle to run poorly and have high gas emissions.
Topping off your gas tank may foul the station's vapor recovery system. Adding more gas after the nozzle has automatically shut off can cause the station's vapor recovery system to operate improperly. This contributes to the air pollution problem and may cause the gas pump to fail to work for the next person.
Topping off the gas tank can result in your paying for gasoline that is fed back into the station's tanks because your gas tank is full. The gas nozzle automatically clicks off when your gas tank is full. In areas of ozone nonattainment, gas station pumps are equipped with vapor recovery systems that feed back gas vapors into their tanks to prevent vapors from escaping into the air and contributing to air pollution. Any additional gas you try to pump into your tank may be drawn into the vapor line and fed back into the station’s storage tanks. -www.epa.gov
For someone who has so sarcastically mocked everyone trying to HELP you, I hope you'll take this to heart.
Mrbill
1) Press the foot-brake
2) Turn the key to "ON" position
3) Wait until the "D"/Drive light is off on the dash, then shift it into neutral/"N"
4) crank-start the car
5) Shift in "D" and "R" and then release Footbrake & Handbrake and off you go. :P
The fact is, I've now got about 6800 miles on my 08 accord v6 and the performance has gotten alot better with increased mileage and I still do and always will fill my tank to the rim as I've always done so ever since I started driving at age 12 back in 1965 on the farm. In fact, gas mileage has increased too from 20.2 to 21.8 and I sense that it will get higher as the car ages and gets more mileage.
This is what I love to much about our country...we can both agree to disagree without causing any wars. Have a good day there...good buddy!
Try this and humor us. When you go into the station, do as the manual states. Then go drive the car and at your next fill up, do the same thing. That should give you a more accurate indicator of your mileage than with your overfilling experiences to date. I am getting about 24 overall, and about 28-29 on the highway. Will know better this weekend when we take a trip and I fill up before entering, and refill upon exiting, the interstate. Pure highway mileage from NYC to Syracuse NY - about 250 miles. We'll see!
Get with it man - it is 2008 - I am 60 years old, but times have changed! First, the old cars you COULD fill to the rim - they had no emission controls built into the fuel supply like evaporation canisters, etc. I did the same - then the cars changed and so did I. They also used leaded gas! So you still use that?
FREON? UH, try R134, which, IMHO, doe NOT cool as effectivley as freon did. But new cars must use R134 under the Federal Clean Air Act.
If he takes the car to the dealer they will put a thermometer at the vents and check the temperature of the air exiting them with the AC on - if within "normal" range, out of luck. I have noticed with our 2008 Accord V6 Sedan w/o Navi that when the AC is on it cycles like in a house and it blows colder at times than others. Again - operating within normal limits. Just have to accept it or get another car.
I don't think it gets any more clear than this. Also, since it says this in the manual, you can bet money that if there's evidence of an overfill, and problems are caused, the dealer will not cover damage under warranty.
Thank you grandlakegar.
From my 2006 Accord owner's manual, page 156:
4. Stop filling the tank after the fuel nozzle automatically clicks off. Do not try to "top off" the tank. Leave some room for the fuel to expand with temperature changes.
So there it is; at least two generations of Accords that specifically state NOT to top off. That, combined with the report of a government agency is more than enough for me not to try and squeeze more in to my tank, when the benefit of longer driving distance is miniscule.
Anyway, our '08 is the V6 sedan and I do not notice any dimming whatsoever with it. Unless you are going to use your car as a refrigerator, 44 degrees would seem a pretty coool temp! :P Did they tell you what the normal "range" was?
After dropping by the house, changing my shorts and ironing out the pucker marks in the seat, I performed the same routine a couple of times - this time without the on-coming traffic. Sure enough, my car has a BIG hesitation when I slam the pedal down. Its not that it bogs or sputters or fails, it just that the engine appears to need about 1.5 seconds to "hit it."
Has ANYONE had this problem? I'll bet not or we would have heard about it before. Looks like its time to go to the dealer and find out if I've got a problem. :sick:
I don't think it would hurt to round it off to the nearest dollar (or .50). With the price of gas now, that's not going to be much (a couple of drops). Personally, I don't pay with cash (use a debit card) so I don't care if it's not an even dollar amount.
Everyone has put in their 2 cents worth and I thank you for all your efforts. But due to my history of filling a tank to the rim for the past 43 years and never seeing any problems associated with it, I will continue to fill it to the rim. Perhaps I've been lucky and perhaps all of my friends and family have been lucky too but to my knowledge, none of us have ever had any engine problems with any of the cars we've filled to the rim except the usual stuff such as brake replacement, oil & oil filter replacement, tires, etc that come from engine wear.
FYI, I had a business meeting this week and decided to travel by car instead of plane and drove my 08 accord. I filled the tank to the rim as usual, set the cruise at 80mph when traffic permitted, and got 28mpg which allowed me to drive 560 miles before my low-fuel light lit up. Had I filled my tank "your" way, my miles driven on 1 tank would have been alot lower. Hmmm...15 gallons x 28mpg = 420 miles doing it "your" way.
Thanks but no thanks! I'll continue to fill my tank as I see fit. I've owned over 11 different cars and put roughly 86,000 miles on each of them and remember several that had over 120,000 miles on them before being traded and never had any problems other than normal wear-n-tear. That is alot of fuel-ups to the rim. Based on "your" findings and "your" beliefs in reference to this matter, I should have had lots and lots and lots of problems but never did which leads me to believe that "your" beliefs and fndings are nothing more than a bunch of the normal double-talk or misinformation that is so prevalent in the world.
Particularly now, as time at the pump is more painful then ever.
What used to take me 4-5 minutes to fill my tank to the rim now takes me about 15 minutes to fill it.
You fill up, drive 560 miles, fill up again and THEN divide your mileage by how many gallons it takes to fill your car. That is how many you used to go the 560 miles That gives you your MPG for that distance traveled.
As for your other comments, since you brought that up, "have you tried it 'my' way"?
No, and I will not since the manual says not to.
As for your repeatedly using the word "your" in reply to me, I never said any of the things you ascribe to me. NEVER did I say any of the following -
"Based on "your" findings and "your" beliefs in reference to this matter, I should have had lots and lots and lots of problems but never did which leads me to believe that "your" beliefs and fndings are nothing more than a bunch of the normal double-talk or misinformation that is so prevalent in the world."
So, I suggest you, sir, get YOUR facts straight when replying to someone. As for misinformation - well, I am a car aficionado and a very sensitive driver. I listen to my cars and know when something is not right, and I heed the manufacturers' claims and warnings - who better to know their car? They say do not top it off - I don't top it off. They say the redline is 6200 RPM? If not shut off by a fuel cutoff, would I say it is OK to rev it to 7000? No.
That is essentially what you are doing - you are disregarding the manufacturer's own manual when you "top it off". All I have to say is - good luck with that. With all the sensors and computer monitors on cars these days, if you do have a problem, I suspect Honda will know you did what you did by a computer read out of some kind and will not honor any warranty.
I am afraid it is you who is misinformed.
Perhaps I should bill you then and we'll see who comes out on top. My current billing rate starts at $75 per home system plus parts and $150/hour plus parts for businesses.
Valentine1 is my only choice of radar detection protection. Tried all the others and this is the only 1 that has truly worked wonders for me although it is a bit expensive at $399 found here: http://www.valentine1.com/
I think there is probably a radar detector forum somewhere. Not sure what this has to do with the 2008 Accord Maintenance and Repair forum. I blanked out the details because frankly, all I'd be reproducing a spam-type advertisement.
As far as the other goes, I know Car and Driver tested the 4-cylinder Accord (2007 model) to run 130mph, and it is supposedly limited to that. Where do you take your Accord to the track?
If he is worried about using Valentine 1 he is on public roads. And in that regard, for the sake of conversation, I had my 2004 S2000 up to 152 once - right at redline.
Scary. But you are right - none of this has anything to do with repair and maintenance.