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A comparable 2009 Ford Fusion S depreciates $ 11,067 over the same period and has higher repair/maintenance costs then the Accord, it is also rated below average in ownership costs.
2008 figures illustrated a similar story, so I'd venture to guess 2010 model resale and ownership values will again point in favor of the Accord.
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/24374/section/own- ership/2009/Ford/Fusion
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/40500/section/own- ership/2009/Honda/Accord
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/40519/2009/Honda/- Accord
Its gas mileage will be similar to the fusion hybrid and will likely cost less than the Fusion"s bloated $ 28,000 price tag.
Furthermore, if its stellar gas mileage we are seeking, id rather opt for a 2010 Prius with 50mpg for 5 grand less, but since I am not, it is a moot point.
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/40513/2009/Honda/- Accord
Many buyers of Accord "were" seeking stellar gas mileage. Something that Honda "used" to be known for in their various models. Unfortunately, the new Accord gets lower mileage than the previous generation of Accords at a time when consumers have become acutely aware of the price of gas.
Then again most cars these days seem to be a little "grown up".
I would still choose an Accord. I would opt for the EX-L V6. 4cyl is plenty, but if I had to choose now, I would pick this model.
WHY ARE YOU HERE ?
I suspect you would prefer us all to buy cars from this company - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBVfA66ivA
And, as you have demonstrated your love for Ford so much- that may be a better forum for you
Here's the latest story on Honda's newest model:
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/29/autos/cr_honda_insight/index.htm?postversion=200- 9062923
This is indeed a discussion about the VCM aspect of the latest Accord generation. We can continue some of this other general Accord conversation in any appropriate discussion here in the Accord group.
We have never required nor expected that posters in any given discussion only participate if they are fans of the particular subject, so that line of confrontation needs to be dropped. We also don't need to accuse those who are in favor of the subject of the conversation of being paid employees of the subject's manufacturer. So that line of confrontation needs to be dropped as well.
Now, with all of that said, who has something to say about the actual subject of this conversation? We'd like to hear from you!
Maybe also because 4-cylinder models are cheaper than 6-cylinder ones?
Yes, that could be a factor. Let's continue that debate here: Honda Accord I4 vs V6.
VCM comments anyone?
I feel Honda should use VCM technology on its entire line of 6 cylinder engines (as it currently does not- ie Ridgeline).
Same old pepl;e saying the same old things.
Ok, by now, I have driven probably three dozen different V-6 Accords and I ahve been along on many, many test drives.
NOT ONCE have I felt or experienced this "problem" and it has never been brought by a customer.
Our Service Department has NEVER heard of this nor has our Factory Rep who visits many stores.
Take this for what you will.
People are "screaming"? This is the first I've heard of this too.
26 Months of ownership
26,000 miles
Per MM avg distance between oil changes 7,000-8,000 miles
Unscheduled oil additions: 2 quarts typically @ 6,000 miles between changes
If, as in previous Accords ( I believe Gen 6 and older) that had no MM but a 5,000 mile recommended oil change interval, I would have never needed to add any oil between changes.
Avg Fuel Economy: 23 MPG
Best: 32.16 MPG
Worst 17 MPG
In my particular vehicle the oil that I need to add @ 6,000 miles is due to the MM indicating oil change requirements an additional 50% more miles than in the Gen 6 Accords. The extra miles and 5W-20 oil as opposed to 10W-30 that most people were probably using in their Gen 6 vehicles I believe plays a factor in some oil consumption.
Is the Gen 8 Accord the perfect car? Nope. But compared to many family sedans in it's price range, I feel it still holds a spot near the top.
Just one owners impressions based on a very singular experience. Gen 7 owners will probably chime in that they have no need to add oil and their MM are indicating mileage similar to mine between changes. This I believe is due to the fact the the V6 Accord reached it's pinnacle in that iteration. I held out for the Gen 8 because I felt the styling was better looking to my eye then the Gen 7. So I got the style and size I desired, but with a somewhat schizophrenic engine that if pushed feels refined and powerful, but casual cruising and the on again off again sensations provided by the VCM activity, reminds me that in it's attempt to be a large, spacious, fuel sipping, family sedan, it took a step backwards from the previous generation.
I can remember years ago hearing a Chevy Rep tell a customer that anything less than 800 miles per quart was unacceptable.
I probably missed this but what do people consider "burning oil"?
I've never had to do that; and my '96 130hp LX has 204k on it!
Often people who have cars who aren't thinking they're using oil are surprised when they take a long trip and the oil level drops. They blame the higher speed driving for the motor's using oil, but in reality the motor has just digested and evaporated away some of the contaminants that had gotten into the oil during more typical driving conditions.
The definition of what's an amount of loss that is "too" much oil is a big question.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I've never had to add oil to anyh of my Hondas between changes but I usually change my oil ever 4000 miles or so.
Still, having to add a quart at 2000 miles wouldn't be a big deal to me.
I used to have a Buick that ran like a top. From the time it wa new, it would go through a quart of oil anywhere between 1500-2000 miles. I never thought anything of that and it never got worse.
Our Service Department has NEVER heard of this nor has our Factory Rep who visits many stores.
I test drove three new 6 cyl accords with VCM. I had not heard of VCM and was interested in a new accord. On the first test drive asked why the a/c was kicking off and on when the a/c was turned off. Salesman said he didn't feel anything, but offered me the chance to drive another... and then a third one. They all did the very same thing - it's like the a/c kicking off and on. Salesman said he had never heard of anyone mentioning this... Thus, I went to the service department and "told them" I had a new 6 cyl and it was experiencing something like the a/c kicking off and on, but the a/c was turned off. The service writer explained to me that this was a characteristic of the VCM in honda's 6 cylinder and that it is normal. I dont know if this is just a characteristic of the car or what, but there is no way a person could drive the three I drove and not notice the VCM off/on mode.
This would drive me insane - it feels like the transmission is constantly shifting. I drove my wife's girlfriend's '08 honda V6 and it does it too. She can feel it, but said she doesn't care because it's just transportation. From others that I spoke to who own the new V6 honda, they feel it, but have varying attitudes toward it. One of them did tell me that his uses some oil and that when he was tinkering with it he pulled the plugs to see what they looked like and they seem to be fouling out.
Maybe I'm not tuned into noticing this nor have any of my customers.
Only in this forums have I heard of this.
In my '06, the MM usually takes me to around 8,000 (I have 60% life showing currently with 3,700 miles since the prev. change). I check the oil after about 5k miles in the '06, 3k in the '96. I don't check it religiously anymore since there's never been anything to notice other than a full reading.
People like wayne who states that this would drive him insane are never happy about anything.
Personally, I'll take a little vibration here and there for the benefit of having a powerful V6 that also gets outstanding highway gas mileage.
Hmm. You noticed the vibration and just became accustomed to it. Is this something that you should have to be thinking about with a 25-30k car? Is this something you should even have to think about when you buy a new car of any price? So I'd have to ask you if you're perhaps interested in buying some refurbished computers? I got them government surplus....
Keep in mind however that Honda sells roughly 400,000 Accords every year- 100,000 to 175,000 of which are V6 models.
The handful of owners that find tremendous fault with Honda's VCM are certainly in a small minority considering Honda's volume of sales - which are likely less than 1% of total Accord customers.
Keep in mind however that Honda sells roughly 400,000 Accords every year- 100,000 to 175,000 of which are V6 models.
The handful of owners that find tremendous fault with Honda's VCM are certainly in a small minority considering Honda's volume of sales - which are likely less than 1% of total Accord customers.
Bottom line is that if this is all someone can argue about this car in terms of "quality," I guess Honda's doing a pretty good job. There are plenty of other things that go wrong with other makes that I would surely not trade for, based on this miniscule VCM issue.
I'm done, and wayne's still not a happy dude.
My previous Accord was a 2003. The transmission was recalled but other than that we were lucky and did not have any problems despite the many other problems that I've read about.
I have a new short block with 20K miles on it and uses about a 1/2 qt in 4000 miles.
I have posted all the information from day one on this issue. Happy now! :shades:
Roger
I had to drive the car back home 900 miles and had plenty of time to experience this low grade constant vibration. Once back home I took the car to the local dealer who test drove the car and stated that it is normal.
Is this all related to the VCM activation and causing an imbalance/vibration being transmitted to the chassis? Please help very frustrated.
I have been reading many forums on this issue and I can not believe that Honda is not coming clean with a TSB solution to resolve this. I am glad this is not my car and I will tell you that I will never buy a Honda with my own money if this issue is not resolved by Honda Corp.