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Store Bought Waxes Part II (No Zaino Posts)

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  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    I have a 2000 dark green Accord that is garage kept and has been kept fairly clean. It has only a few very minor scratches and hardly any swirl marks. I have been using Gold Class to wash it and polished and waxed with the older (red) Meguiars products. The car is not as smooth to the touch as when new and I am ready to start over. I am willing to do a pretty comprehensive clean and wax about twice (maybe 3 times) a year and then wash at least weekly.

    This is my plan after spending days reading online.
    1. Continue with the Gold Class wash and shampoo.

    Considered using a clay bar next but just don't feel very comfortable. I am afraid I might do more harm than good.

    2. Apply 3M Imperial Hand Glaze (I have a Waxmaster orbital buffer that I have never used but may get the Machine Glaze-not sure).

    3. Then use One Grand Blitz Wax for 3 coats (one week apart).

    4. After each wash therafter I plan to use a little One Grand Show Off Quick Detailer.

    Thought about a P21S Super-Absorbing Drying Towel. Does anyone have any experience with one of these?

    Also thought a California Car Duster would be good to deal with minor dust and lint in the garage as long as I keep the car well waxed.

    I am not a fanatic but I do like to keep my car looking good and don't mind working a little bit as long as it does not affect my time on the golf course. A man must have his priorities!

    Appreciate feedback from the true fanatics.
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    My wife just got a White 2002 Honda CRV in December. The finish on it is still smooth. Would the Imperial Glaze be necessary, beneficial, or harmful? Would a polish with no abrasives be better at this time?
  • britton2britton2 Member Posts: 305
    hey, I like your name (Go Titans!) anyway, I don't believe it is necessary to polish a car until it is 2 years old (I read that somewhere) I have used a couple of One Grand's products (Blitz wax/Show Off) and they are very good - I think your plan sounds good - I have not used the Imperial Hand Glaze but I understand it is one of the best glazes - I have used the P21S drying towel, and while it worked well, another synthetic chamois that is just as good and cheaper is the Absorber which you can get at Wal-Mart for less than $10 - I like these products:

    car wash - Eagle One's Wet - $5 for 1/2 gallon at Advance Auto Parts

    chamois - The Absorber - less than $10

    Quick detailer - either Eagle One's Wipe and Shine or Meguiar's Quick Detailer (I like these better than Show Off)

    as far as the Ca Duster - well, I personally don't like to wipe the surface of a dirty car, but I know others recommend the Duster - that's just my 2 cents -
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    As one of the resident fanatics, I'll be happy to offer my two cents.

    Your plan looks fine to me. If that's the procedures and products you are comfortable with, then I say stick with it. But allow me to offer a little food for thought:

    Clay - I love the stuff. Most fanatics do too and use it as part of their detailing regimen. It's very easy use and would take some serious abuse to mess up. As long as you use plenty of lubricant like quick detailer and go over the paint lightly, a small section at a time, you should not have any problems. Clay streaks can be easily removed with detailing spray and a clean towel. I'd imagine your car needs a good claying. After washing feel the paint surface by lightly rubbing your hand over the hood and roof. Try this with your hand inside a sandwich baggie. Feel roughness? Those are surface contaminents that need to be removed before polishing. Clay will take that crud right off.

    Polish - I really like 3M Imperial Hand Glaze (IHG) but for a two year old car it may be a little light duty. I'd go up a step to 3M's Swirl Mark Remover which will remove light oxidation and swirls. Glazes like IHG are mostly fillers and oils and are meant for new or perfectly polished paint that's ready for wax. As a car gets older it can use a more aggressive polish. It won't hurt the paint and you might be surprised how good it looks after a little rigerous polishing (not like the swirl mark remover is aggressive; its mild stuff). This is where that buffer will really come in handy.

    Wax - One Grand Blitz is terrific and an excellent choice. The more expensive stuff like P21S or Pinnacle is only moderately better. I've used them all and I think Blitz is a great product.

    Car duster - Some hate them but I do use mine occassionally. Just for light dust like you mentioned. If my car needs more "dusting" I use quick detailer and a microfiber towel.

    The CRV - That would be a good candidate for the IHG. That stuff is ideal for new cars and new paint. It'll work great. Check the paint for surface contaminents and consider claying the CRV. You might find it needs the clay too. Floow the IHG with the Blitz and you'll be good to go.
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    Appreciate your help. You are one of the fanatics that I was hoping would comment on my plans.

    I think I will try the clay. What brand is the best value for clay in your opinion?

    I will take your advice on the swirl remover. You seem to think that I can use the orbiter buffer without screwing up. Is it messy? Any tips? I was planning to to tape the trimwork but don't know if regular masking tape is ok or not.

    Are the microfiber towels at Walmart (I think they are made by Viking) and AutoZone ok to use?

    What do you use to dry your vehicles after washing?

    One more question. I was trying to avoid a detailing spray or other products that contain silicone in case I need to do touchup work but I also would love for my finished work to repel dust and lint. Are these valid concerns for an amateur or can I get both worlds here?
  • canccanc Member Posts: 715
    Clay bar: I use Meguiar's Clay Bar with Meguiar's Quik Detailer. Very easy to apply and remove.

    I can't comment on the microfiber towels, sorry.

    After washing, I use a microfiber synthetic chamois made by Simoniz. Works great.

    I've used Meguiar's Quik Detailer for a few months now and I really like it. It does a nice job.

    My current formula is:
    1. Prep the car with Meguiar's First Step paint cleaner.
    2. Use Meguiar's Gold Class to wax/polish the car.
    3. Meguiar's Quik Detailer for in-between waxes.
    4. Turtle Wax Emerald Series Gel Tire Dressing.
    5. Mother's Mag and Aluminum polish for my mags.
    6. Wash using Zymol car wash. It suds like I've never seen and works great.
  • aurora5000aurora5000 Member Posts: 168
    rjs- Go to my profile and write me direct if you want to, since we are driving the same car.

    tntitan..I have a CA duster and think it is great. I dust when it needs it when the car is clean and well waxed but do not use when dirty. Get at WaL-MART FOR $10.

    I need to clean up my wife's car which has some paint oxidation (not bad), what are some store bought choices that would work before putting down the wax...
    Thanks in advance
  • specialmspecialm Member Posts: 31
    I've got several questions regarding the detailing of cars that I own. Three are daily drivers, one is going to be used only on weekends and the another is undergoing a frame-off resto.

    The weekend driver has a bright red Chromabase paint job with a few coats of clear. It was painted a few years ago but I just recently started driving it to shows and cruise nights. What are your recomendations for removing swirl marks from the buff job done after painting? Should I use a clay bar? I want to get a streak-free drop dead gorgeous shine.
    How do you detailers wash your terry cloth polishing and waxing towels? Do you use fabric softeners?

    Thanks
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    You can use a compound remover, but frankly I leave them to the professionals. I would Clay the car first. (Haven't found difference in brands I've used.)Then you won't have pollutants scratching the surface when you remove the ox

    I prefer not to do that. Then Use Meguiars Professional Swirl Remover with a buffer. Try it twice, Then a glaze and apply your waxes. I did this on a Blaze Red Mazda that literally looked Pink and it is now a deep red.

    After you have removed the oxidation and it looks good don't use anything stronger than a glaze. The clearcoat is weaker than normal not worth loosing pigment. If glazed twice a year should keep an excellent shine and depth. Love 3M Imperial Hand Glaze, and Meguiars #7. IHC is a little stronger.
  • specialmspecialm Member Posts: 31
    mrdetailer, how's you winter weather wax test going with the Meguiars #26 against the Perfect-It show car paste wax? I saw your posts on another forum and was curious.
    Thanks!
  • pepper50pepper50 Member Posts: 195
    Should a new car be waxed immediately, or does there need to be more time for the paint to cure? I'm buying one right off the truck from the factory this week, so it's paint will be pretty fresh. Does it make any difference? Thanks.
  • britton2britton2 Member Posts: 305
    I wondered the same thing last year when I got my new car - I understand that you can wash and wax right away - the paint is baked on at the factory and is cured upon departure -
  • rhmassrhmass Member Posts: 263
    I don't think you'll do harm to wax your new car immediately. In fact, the dealers' preparations for new car delivery often include putting a coat of wax on the car, unless you instruct not to. I just ordered a car recently and the salesman told me it would be waxed before delivery.
  • rayfbairdrayfbaird Member Posts: 183
    Unless you know that they have used a clay bar first. Most new vehihcles travel by rail. Microscopic iron filings get on the surface. Many cover the hood with plastic to avoid this issue, but not the roof or sides. A waxing without removing them is very abrasive on the surface.
  • jsterjster Member Posts: 112
    According to John Hughes a refinish technical specialist for Ford Motor Co:


    "If a vehicle is brand new, it should not be waxed or sealed for a minimum of 21 days. Verify the vehicle's build date by checking the certification label on the driver's door."


    http://www.carwash.com/article.asp?IndexID=6631067

  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    A couple of weeks ago it got warm enough to wash the cars. Then it rained 3 days later. It still beads, but to me it is not quite as high as it was before. Got a picture, but not developed yet. Depth and shine still very good.
  • specialmspecialm Member Posts: 31
    jster - Thanks for that link.

    mrdetailer - Thanks and keep us informed. It's always good to hear about a real world test.

    What do you guys use for polishing and waxing towels? And how do you clean them? With softener?
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    Well, most of us started with 100% cotton terry towels. The same ones you can buy most anywhere. The softer the better; some guys I know use Charisma or Royal Velvet towels. Nice thing about cotton towels is that you can buy them in the same color as your car and look stylish while washing and waxing.


    But many of us have switched over to microfiber towels. Softer than cotton and very absorbant. Perfect for buffing off wax or polish and ideal for washing windows. Once you use microfiber you'll never want to use anything else.


    The problem is their limited availability and sketchy quality. The ones available at most retail stores are so-so (granted, softer than cotton terry but not as good as they can be). All the microfiber I have I got via mail-order. Here are a few places to shop microfiber:

    http://www.tacscar.com

    http://www.neatitems.com

    http://www.properautocare.com


    As for washing, here is a quote from the Neatitems folks. It applies to cotton terry as well as microfiber:


    Hand wash with dish soap in hot water or machine wash with laundry detergent. Rinse thoroughly. Do not use bleach (bleach will shorten the life of your micro fiber cloths.) Do not use fabric softener (fabric softener leaves a film on the cloths.) Be careful when machine washing or drying in mixed loads (micro fiber cloths will pick up lint from other fabrics.) Air dry or put in dryer on low to medium heat.

  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    bretfraz-

    Aren't the microfiber towels made of a synthetic material that could scratch? I bought one to use for cleaning the windows.

    fastdriver
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    I wanted to thank everyone on this board. I feel much better about what I am trying to do after getting so much help and expert advice. For my 3 month old white 2002 CRV and the dark green 2000 Accord I bought the following products:

    1. Wash - I still have a little bit of Meguiars Gold Class but plan to buy 1 gallon of Turtle Wax Zip Wash for $4.96 at WalMart.

    2. Bought the Erazer Clay Kit (2 2oz clay bars and 16 oz. of detailer) for $19.95 at DCCarcare. Finally decided to clay both cars. WalMart had the Mothers Clay Kit for $13.67 which was more than $5 cheaper than Pep Boys but it only has one clay bar and I believe the Erazer clay to be better for a novice.

    3. Bought the 3M Swirl Mark Remover for the Accord for $9.99 and the 3M Imperial Hand Glaze for $8.99 for the CRV. I plan to use the IHG on both vehicles for subsequent polishing after the initial job.

    4. Went with the new Collonite 'de Elegance wax from DCCarcare for $22.50. From all of the comments I have read this appears to show the shine, one of the more durable, fairly easy to apply, and only needs one coat. My cars are garage kept and washed regularly - I hope to go through this process only twice a year - three times at the max. I debated seriously between the Collonite and One Grand Blitz Wax ($13.99 or $18.49 for the 10 oz or 15 oz from motorhead). I believe I would go with the Blitz wax if I was willing to wax more often or put more coats of wax on to begin with. A man has to know his limitations!

    5. I plan to keep some Meguiars Quick Detail ($4.27 at WalMart) in the car for occasional touch up work.

    6. Lexol Vinylex ($8.99 from Pep Boys) for the interior, trim work, and tires. I think the UV protection sold me on this.

    7. Got the California Water Blade ($19.99), California Car Duster ($9.99), and The Absorber towel ($6.00) at Pep Boys because I am lazy. Plan to use the Duster sparingly but on the Dark Green the dust really shows.

    8. Since I had such a hard time deciding which microfiber towels were the best value and how many I needed, I ended up going with 12 specially made 100% cotton (thread also) polishing towels from DCCarcare for $12.95.

    All totals up to about $130. Hope the weather gets warm quick while I still have the fever to do this. I will report on my results asap. Thanks again to all of the fanatics.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    This link will give you all the details about microfiber. IMO, it's the best information I've ever run across to describe microfiber:

    http://www.properautocare.com/micwhatbigde.html
  • britton2britton2 Member Posts: 305
    Sounds like you purchased some very good products - I also have and use regularly the Absorber (I picked up another one for $6 at Pep Boys too) and the CA Water Blade - if you want to try a new car wash give Eagle One's Wet car shampoo a try - it's the best one I've used and I've tried about 7 brands so far....GO TITANS!!!!!!!
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    what do you like about the Eagle One? I was considering getting it since it is cheaper than the other premium washes (64 oz is $6.95 at properautocare.com). I just thought that twice as much for $4.96 at a local store was pretty hard to beat. To me if it has longlasting suds, doesn't streak, and doesn't strip wax then there is not much more to it. Am I missing something?
  • britton2britton2 Member Posts: 305
    After buying a new car almost one year ago and making the decision to always wash it myself by hand - I got a little carried away in obtaining supplies - I bought and tried these car shampoos: 1. Turtle Wax Zip 2. Meguiar's Gold Class 3. Mother's CA Gold 4. Zymol 5. Pinnacle Bodywork 6. P21S 7. Eagle One - yes, it's the long-lasting suds that put Eagle One's at the top of my list (it won't srip wax either) - I got 64 ounces (1/2 gal) for $4.97 at Advance Auto Parts - you don't have to "re-activate" the suds like with the other brands - it's better than the $19.95 bottle of Pinnacle IMO - their other products are very good too - and affordable - check out eagleone.com - one suggestion about using the CA Water Blade - hose it or rinse it off first before using it on your clean car - just in case there's some dirt or something on it - I stop and rinse mine off a couple of times while drying my car - then use your Absorber or a 100% cotton towel to dry up any remaining water droplets - good luck - I'm sure your cars will look great - go Titans!!!!!
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    I've found that the higher end washes don't make as many suds as lower end ones, but they clean better and leave a better shine -- a little more stain resistant.

    Towels. I haven't made the switch to microfiber yet. Not when for 7 dollars I can get 25 2 feet by 2 feet high quality terry at Sam's Club. If they are no longer soft, it's cheap to throw them away. I make sure that I wash the towels with a liquid soap that doesn't contain any fabric softeners or brightners.
  • britton2britton2 Member Posts: 305
    has been that they all do a good job of cleaning - but some have more staying-power in the suds department - the Eagle One wash only required using a very small amount and the suds were great and long-lasting - I only wish I had tried it first before spending the $ on the others -
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    Which of the washes would you recommend for the best shine?
    Are they more stain resistant because of an added carnuba wax ingredient?
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    I saw #1652 that you like the Gold Class wash. I like it too but I may try the Eagle One also.
  • pepper50pepper50 Member Posts: 195
    I have seen several folks mention using the California blade to dry their car. I was wondering how well these work. In the stores I have also seen a competitor's smaller squeegee for about $10; it too has the silicone blade, but the blade is not as long and wide as the California; the blade part is about 1" x 10" as opposed to the Calif. which is about 5" x 10" or so. Any comments/testimonials about these products?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    bretfraz-

    Thanks. That's the one I bought to do my windows- the Viper. Only used it once so far because our weather finally got cold! ;-)) I'm not so sure that I would use it on the car itself. I'll stick to my white 100% cotton, Made in the USA towels.

    To all-

    Just got this link from the author. Better than nothing if you didn't save your pictures.

    http://www.photopoint.com/statusupdate.html

    fastdriver
  • pepper50pepper50 Member Posts: 195
    Anyone have any tips or suggestions to wax the top of a fullsize conversion van? Even with a stepladder it's not easy to reach out to the middle.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    I've been using the Calif water blade for about a year and love it. It works as advertised and makes drying the car a breeze. I know many fanatics that are afraid of it and won't use it because of the off chance it will pick up a little piece of grit and drag it along the paint, causing scratches. While I understand the concern (which is why I mention it to you) I personally have not experienced that problem and am able to deal with scratches should they occur. The choice is yours but I think it's a great tool.

    As far as waxing hi-top vans, well, you certainly have a challenge on your hands. I've done a few and have used ladders or some kind of scaffolding. I took two Workmates and laid some boards across them for a makeshift scaffold. All I can honestly offer is do the best you can. An orbital buffer really comes in handy at times like this. Best of luck.
  • canccanc Member Posts: 715
    I know this may not be the best forum to ask this, but I don't know where else (and I like the gang here anyway), so here's the Question of the Day:

    Do you wash the engine bay, and if so, do you use a foaming wash that you have to rinse off? My dealer's willing to do it for $20, but I can get the stuff at my local Canadian Tire (the Canadian PepBoys equivalent) for $12, and I can just do it myself. I'm just concerned with the "rinsing off" part, since modern cars have electronics, and rinsing off the stuff with water might short circuit something.

    Thank you, fellow fanatics!
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    I lived in Brazil for a while and have seen Carnauba. In its raw state it is very hard and shall we say Waxy. You can hold Carnauba powder and actually have to rub fairly hard to get it to smear between your fingers. And that's in 85 degree weather. The amount of Carnauba put in a car shampoo would have to be extremely diluted. Realistically, it would be almost negligible in determining whether to use a certain brand of soap. I do admin that I use Kitt with Carnauba and like it. I just don't believe that it will really add any signicant or permanent improvement to a wax coat. On the other hand it's presence certainly won't harm anything either.

    Ironically I've found that the more expensive low suds varieties work better. They are more durable in cold water, on road salt, and removing grease. They seem to have more brighteners added. Gold Class is the most concentrated that I have used.
  • jsterjster Member Posts: 112
    Not my cup of tea personally (large amounts of water under the hood makes me nervous)...but if you are interested:


    http://www.carcareonline.com/clean_engines.html

  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    Is there anything to beware of regarding the cleaning of tinted windows and rear windows with defrosters and radio antennas? Are there any cleaning solutions that are harmful? better than others?

    My Accord has the rear window defroster and radio antenna. It has some oily type film on the window that I want to clean before I have the windows tinted. What do you guys recommend?

    Am I making a mistake to get a quality tint job from a longstanding reputable company? The heat here in the spring, summer and fall is brutal.

    I did not see this topic anywhere but figured that some of you detailing fanatics would have strong opinions on the subject.
  • canccanc Member Posts: 715
    Purists will say that a bit of water with vinegar in it will clean everything off the window. Wipe off with newspaper. I use "Bon Ami" foam window cleaner, which works great, but I occasionally use the newspaper technique.

    If your windows are not factory-tinted, but rather a tint film that's applied on the glass, never use an ammonia cleaner. Water will do fine, but there are some cleaners specially designed for tint film.

    Also, make sure that since you have a glass-imprinted antenna, do not get film with metallic content in it. It could cause poor radio reception.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Acutally, a friend of mine just had her windows tinted and they told her that windex (that has ammonia) is ok to use. The installer said the new tint is much better than before and can be cleaned with windex.

    That said, I would still ask the tint installer just to make sure.
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    I appreciate the input. I will make sure about the metallic content of the tint. However, it may not matter since I listen to CD's mostly. First thing I did was put a real sound system in - I am just an old hard core rock and roller from the 70's that likes to crank up my Zeppelin, Hendrix, SRV, etc, etc.
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    Stevie was more 80's but he is my main man.
  • tntitantntitan Member Posts: 306
    Noticed that both of you put on Collonite in November. How is it holding up? Are you satisfied? Really curious why you chose the Insulator Wax and DoubleCoat instead of the Marquee 'de Elegance? I don't think cost is the answer for you ADC100 since you seem to have tried it all (sometimes all at once). I just ordered some Collinite and can't wait to get some decent weather.
  • aurora5000aurora5000 Member Posts: 168
    Thanks for your help and friendly advice
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
  • bigcompactbigcompact Member Posts: 33
    I have a scratch, about 2 ft. long across the hood of my black 2001 Focus. It is NOT deep. Will Meguiar's #7 be enough to cover this up and/or fix it?

    If not, thoughts on products to use?
  • britton2britton2 Member Posts: 305
    I had a scratch on my car and Meguiar's Scratch X worked beautifully to remove it - it comes in a black tube and I got mine at Wal-Mart - good luck
  • idlehansidlehans Member Posts: 6
    I recently received an ad for a product called 5 Star Shine. It's a finish protectant that purportedly is better than Silicone, Polyethylene, Resins, or Waxes. It's guaranteed to keep a new-car shine for 5 years. It's supposed to contain teflon, which keeps dirt, oils, tree sap, etc. from sticking to the car surface. It's quite expensive though, around $70. But to not have to wax my car for 5 years and have it be even better protection, it'd be worth it--if it works! Does anyone know anything about this product? Where could I check up on it before I buy?
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Teflon does nothing for paint protectant. I believe somebody has a link for an article from 3M or a company that produces teflon stating that teflon does nothing for car waxes.
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    This is a company that gets talked about occassionally in various detailing circles. While it's nice of them to provide detailed info on their products like the MSDS, it doesn't always mean the products work as promoted.

    Teflon (PTFE) in car wax is used as a marketing gimmick, no more. Some years ago DuPont, the developers of Teflon, put out a memo regarding their products and car wax. Here's a quote from Professional Carwashing And Detailing magazine, a trade publication:

    "Dupont several years ago released a press statment about their trade mark product Teflon. In a nutshell, they said the Teflon added nothing to waxes or polishes as Teflon can and will only bond to metal while heated to very high temps. Basically what they were doing was giving a disclaimer for all of the polished and waxes hitting the market making claim after claim about how superior their product was just because it was supposed to contain Teflon. This came out about the time the debacle about PTFE resins and the Slick 50 product that also turned out to be a big farce."

    I'm not going to attempt to debunk 5 star's claims as it's not worth the time. But I will make this comment - If everything they said was true then I cannot believe that all the car mfr's aren't using and selling this stuff. I put this stuff in the same category as the 80mpg carburetor, magnets on the fuel line to properly align fuel molecules for better mileage, and that tornado thingy you put in your intake tract to improve airflow.

    Use this stuff at your own discretion.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    5-Star shine- sounds like something from DC's "5-STAR" dealers! LOL......

    I also read that teflon article a long time ago.

    fastdriver
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    Again, we have had a very cold and dry winter. Too cold to do much washing, even at a car wash place. Last Saturday I washed the Dodge that had the Meguiars #26. The beading appeared completely flat on the hood, so I waxed it. Left the rest of the car unwaxed.

    We finally had some rain a couple of days so I could check the natural beading. To my surprise the roof and trunk were beading just about as well as the hood I had just waxed. It was still great.

    While the shine on the untouched portion still looked good, I would have to say that the clarity and brillance of the newer coat was higher.

    Checked the 3M Perfect-It at the same time, and it is still beading well also. More beading than the Meguiars just after washed, but about the same in the rain.
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