Zaino Car Care Experiences

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,145
    Thanks for the condolences. I really go out of my way to take care of my cars both mechanically and aesthetically.

    I was fit to be tied, however.

    Then you realize it's just a car (but damn it, it's my car).

    The scratch can't be felt with the 'fingernail' test, so it's not as bad as it looks regarding repair. It is visually noticeable, though because it's right in the middle of the hood.

    Trying to find the least abrasive product I can. I think 3M perfect-it might even be too much.

    I'll look for some Scratch-X, bret. Do you know of anything even less abrasive? I've used "perfect-it" in the past. How would you compare Scratch-X to the 3M product?

    Thanks, all!
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • bretfrazbretfraz Member Posts: 2,021
    According to Meguiar's, in their product line the following are less abrasive than Scratch X but are still considered polishes. In descending order:

    Body Scrub
    Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner
    Swirl Free Polish #82
    Swirl Mark Remover #9

    It's tough comparing 3M products to Meguiar's as 3M doesn't have the same grading system. 3M is kind of in it's own little world when it comes to describing their polishes. The majority of their polishes are designed to be used by rotary polisher.

    Either company's SMR is milder than Scratch X. Mooch some off a friend if you can. I'd hate to see you spend $10 when all you'll likely need is a little dab.

    Let us know what you decide to do.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,145
    bret....I've only used 3M perfect-it with some pretty nasty looking cars with swirls (all black ones) with relatives that refuse to do anything but drive through car washes.

    It did a decent job on those, but I don't think I want to use it on "my car".

    I have a "source" for 3M products, but you're right....it's mainly marketed to the "body shop" trade.

    automophile has been kind enough to offer to send me some Scratch-X. I'll take a stab at using it.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • atoewsatoews Member Posts: 637
    How did it go?
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Have a happy Thanksgiving and drive safely.
  • 747pilot747pilot Member Posts: 38
    I ordered some Zaino products because I hear nothing but positive things about them on this forum.

    Today we had a break in the weather so I washed my car. I tried the Z-7 car wash. I must tell you I am sold. This was by far the best car wash I have ever used. I admired its suds and high lubrication factor. I also admired how the soap did not break down compared to other car wash soaps. It also has a nice apple smell and it does not dry out my hands like some car wash soaps do. After I was finished drying my car my paint was nice and shiny and had a really smooth feeling. I was pretty impressed and this is only the car soap.

    I also bought some other Zaino products. I have Z-2 Show Car Polish and Z-6 Gloss Enhancer spray. As soon as we get a warm streak this winter I will put them to good use.

    Since I am sold I am going to order some other Zaino products. I did not order ZFX Accelerator because I did not think I would need it. But we have high humidity so it will probably help a lot. Also my leather seats will need a conditioner treatment soon so I will order some Z-9 Leather Cleaner and Z-10 Leather conditioner.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    Congratulations and welcome to the forum of the Z-believers. You will soon be writing about how easy the application was, and how great the shine is.

    Noted that you didn't get the ZFX. Please be sure that you DID get the Z-1. A "primer" is necessary for the Z-2 to stick to the paint, and must be applied about twice a year. This is part of the ZFX.
  • lexusrocklexusrock Member Posts: 74
    I brought the car over to the dealer where I bought the car not for service, but just for a brief appt with the salesperson. He did bring the car to their detail guy and 'clean' the surface a bit but said that to really 'fix' it they need to dye it, but he won't recommend it (said you can still tell after redye, which was not in your case. I think he simply does not want to commit any 'extra' service.

    I might have to ask for that on my first service (5K) to a Lexus service dept. directly. I know it's been a while for you since yours got fixed, but can you find out at which service (XX miles?) was that done and what was done to fix it. Was that covered as a good will service (as I think redye does cost something) or even under some warrenty. This'd be a good reference when I ask for that in my 5K service (one mo from now). I may have to look for a dealer's service that's willing to do that for my future service with them!
  • atoewsatoews Member Posts: 637
    I did a little research on the web and it seems that dash repair kits contain more than just dye. They have graining compound and graining paper.

    Are you in the Los Angeles area?

    If so, there is the option of talking to my dealer.

    I think we can continue this discussion on the Lexus ES300 thread, as this is a Zaino site.

    I will let you know the results of my discussion with my service dealer.
  • lexusrocklexusrock Member Posts: 74
    Yes pls. post your findings to the ES300 site addressed to me. I am in No. Cal but still a possibility. Ideally I'd like to find a local service who can offer the same service your dealer did to yours. I actually dropped by some detail specialty shops and was told that all I need is a local redye/blend. What do you use to maintain/condition your dash now (other than no rubbing)?

    Sorry Zaino folks. I was looking for a general interior maintenance discussion site but all of them are read only now. This open one came closest.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    Hope you are having a great Holiday.

    Here is the latest pic of my baby - de-badged, full tint and of course, the Z magic shine!

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,145
    Very....very nice!
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    I was driving behind a new RX-8 on the way to dinner yesterday, and thinking the same thing - very nice!
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    Thanks! The TL is incredible, and an amazing bargain for the performance and features. The engine is surely the best part. 270 hp and 30+mpg! (32 on the freeway yesterday)

    Like our TSX, I took it without allowing the lot boy to wash and polish it. although they had already removed the protective film. He gave us a very strange look! The car looked pretty good as is, with just a Z-7 wash. However, 3 coats of ZFX-2 really brought out the color and depth of the pearl white paint - it looked like a different car! I am still amazed at the difference when I look at it.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,145
    That's good to hear about Zaino on white. I'd always heard that Zaino results were less dramatic on lighter colors.

    BTW...can you post any interior pics? How did you get your's equipped?
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    The TL interior is gray and black. I wanted an all-black interior as I had in the Solara, but for unknown reasons, Honda will not put black interiors in while cars! I will post a picture in the future, if you like. There are only 2 options on the TL, everything else, including the incredible DVD-A 5.1 Surround Sound is standard! I got the 5-sp auto and no navi. I dont' really need the nav, and L.A traffic makes a stick NO FUN!

    The effect of the Zaino on the white is much less pronounced than with our dark grey TSX, but it is still very pleasing, as you can see. My paint job is pretty good, and it is just SO slick with the Zaino finish.
  • atoewsatoews Member Posts: 637
    I just use Zaino Leather Cleaner on all exposed vinyl/leather parts. I use that twice per year and whenever I need to clean up between. I use "Leather in a Bottle" on all cushy parts of the car, vinyl and leather, twice per year. In between that, I just dust off the harder parts, like the dark grey areas. Also, I use 303 Aerospace protectant on the harder parts that might be exposed to the sun. For example, the gray area right under the passenger windows.

    I have a dash cover on my dash, so I don't often treat the dash, although I suppose I should put some 303 on that.

    In accordance with Sal's recommendation, I use Z6 on the wood trim. I have found that this works great, and is less greasy-feeling than Pledge, which some others recommend for wood.

    My approach is not picky, I don't spend a lot of time experimenting with products, and my choices come from 18 months of reading recommendations on this site and on the "Store Bought Waxes" thread, and from contacting Sal. Whenever there seems to be a consensus on the "Store Bought Waxes" thread, I tend to choose that product and be satisfied with it.

    The following products come from the "other thread": Stoners Invisible Glass (Zaino does not offer a product that solves exactly the same problem), Mother's Clay Magic (sorry Sal, but folks think mother's is a better deal for the money.), and Aerospace 303 Protectant. Other than the three products listed, the "Store Bought Waxes" thread has not convinced me that another product is superior to that offered by Zaino.

    There is no "magic bullet" for leather stains. For example, I cover my passenger seats with sheepskin covers. Unfortunately, my covers are darker than my seats, and some of the dye came off on my seats. I tried many leather products, but to no avail. I still have the dye marks on the seats, but they are faint and I can live with them I taped the seams of my sheepskin covers to keep the stains from getting worse and that worked.
  • maxpower02maxpower02 Member Posts: 103
    between Store bought waxes thread and here. I also use Z-2 (ZFX, Z-6,Z-7 also)on the outside, Aerospace 303 on the interior and everything else and Stoners Invisible Glass for the windows, (crumpled b/w newspaper with Stoners works great). I use Lexol on the leather and that's it. These are the best products out there. IMO!

    TIP: Use 303 on the tires, gives a nice low sheen shine and does NOT turn the tires brown.
  • billyperksbillyperks Member Posts: 449
    My wife and I have the same color combination as you guys.

    I have the Diamond White Pearl 03 TLS and she has the Graphite Grey Pearl 04 Accord sedan.

    I can't wait to apply the Zaino to both- only thing -it is so cold outside.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    billyperks - Congraulations! You won't believe what you will see after the first coat, but wait 'til after the 3rd! Take the time to get the paint really clean and smooth before you Z, it is worth it!

    Maxpower - Agree with you, expect I have found that Sprayway works much better than the Invisible Glass.
  • ficklefickle Member Posts: 98
    I try and wash every Saturday. With that kind of schedule, how long will the Z2 or Z5 last? I only Z2 maybe 3 times a year and I only usually put on one coat.

    linda
  • sequoiasoonsequoiasoon Member Posts: 223
    a Z detail fanatic and using newspaper for the windows?????? Get a microfiber cloth ( I got the viper from properautocare) SOOOOO much better and cleaner. Also GURU REPORTS did a glass cleaner test very good information (right Bret?)
  • maxpower02maxpower02 Member Posts: 103
    I found the newspaper worked better. Besides, the microfiber towel is hard to clean and are expensive to use on windows. I'd rather use my microtowels on the paint!! We'll, all those coats of Z-2 are getting a workout today!! My Accord has a couple of inches of snow on it already! Just seen my neighbor use a "BROOM" to take the snow off of her car. Yikes!! Wonder how the paint will look in the spring!!
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    maxpower02 is correct. The ink used on newsprint is just slightly abrasive and helps to get tough dirt off the windshield. I've used Zaino Glass Polish with newsprint with very good results. This combination also helps to reduce some of the micro scratches which all windshields are subject to. Road salt, sand, and brake dust can do a real number on exposed glass surfaces. The acid test is to aim your car directly into strong sun light. You'll see what I mean.

    After using the glass polish with newsprint, I then clean the residue off with Sprayway. Much better than Windex.

    After such a cleaning, I then apply Z2 to my windshield and clean my wiper blades with Z6. This will not eliminate the problem, but does seem to offer at least a little protection.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    If the car is outside 24/7, I will re-Z at 3-4 months. If garaged, 6 months. However, even at that point, there still seems to be a lot of protection.
  • montrealloumontreallou Member Posts: 25
    I am getting my Acura TL in February and have no place to do a thorough job on it. It will most likely come waxed from the dealer. Does anyone have an opinion on whether waiting for Spring will affect the results?
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    If you can't stop them from waxing it, then you might as well leave it on for a couple of months, when it will be worn off anyway. Be sure you still use the Dawn wash the first time to remove all remnants of the wax.

    However, if you can find the place and time to do it before that, it will be to your benefit, since whatever the dealer puts on won't give you as much protection during the winter. Actually, CHECK to see what the dealer puts on, sometime it is not much at all.

    Congrats on your TL - I LOVE mine!
  • jmichaelpjmichaelp Member Posts: 29
    From reading the Zaino site, it appears that Winter is not an optimal time because of the low temps. Does anyone have tips for how to use the "Z" sytem in Winter? Thanks!
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,404
    For me, the main problem is washing the car in winter. Gotta have it clean before applying the Z. Wife would NOT appreciate my washing the car in the garage. Also depends where you live as to how much winter affects your Zing.
  • atoewsatoews Member Posts: 637
    Lower temps may cause longer dry time. Plan for a couple of hours.
  • sequoiasoonsequoiasoon Member Posts: 223
    BROOM?????? I watched my neighbor use a metal snow shovel on her 2003 Explorer!!!!! I think I would probably wind up in jail for murder if I saw my wife doing that. I had to make a comment (of course), she said it was OK because the shovel was only touching the layer of ice that was stuck to the car. YIKES!!!!
  • billyperksbillyperks Member Posts: 449
    I will Z my wife's accord first-this Saturday, hopefully before then the snow will clear up with the rain coming in tomorrow night.

    If not I will wait untill most of the salt and sand is cleared off the roads.

    DARN SNOW!!!!
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    In the past, Sal recommended not using Z2 when it is below 40 degrees. As the formula for Z2 and Z5 has changed this year, maybe we should ask him if that restriction still stands.

    As tmart was stating, its not fun trying to wash a car in the snow, and that effectly limits my car washing activities during the dog days of Winter. At least I was able to get a few coats of Z5 on my car before the snows came to town. Ah, Spring!
  • billyperksbillyperks Member Posts: 449
    Do you wash and then clay bar and then wash again?

    Is that the right formula?

    Can you post your step by step application?

    I liked the way your project turned out-TL
  • robertp4robertp4 Member Posts: 22
    I wanted to Z my Carbon Grey Tsx before the big snow here in NY, but I could not find any bottles to mix the Zfx with the Z5. So I found an empty prescription bottle. Rinsed out the bottle and mixed the ZFX. Worked great and then threw out the bottle. Car is super filthy due to all the salt on the road, but it's well protected.
  • tjf2000tjf2000 Member Posts: 61
    I am a new user with Zaino products. Before the snow in New England this past weekend I was able to get three coats of Z-2 w/ZFX on my Mountaineer and two on my wifes Excursion. I am very impressed with how this product works. Our cars are silver birch and white and boy do they shine now, and yes like many of you I am a fanatic when it comes to my cars. I will be very interested in how it holds up over the winter. I am lucky I have a heated garage with a drain, so washing in the winter is not a problem for me. I have been using Meguiars products for the past 25 years and if I can convince myself to try the Z-3 for regular paint (lacquer finish on which I have been only using No.7 Show car glaze) I will discard all my other products.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    Hi!

    You must wash before claying to be sure that you do not rub any existing dirt particles into the paint while claying. I used Z7 first to wash, then clayed, then washed with Dawn. Don't forget to clean your tires to get off all the greasy goop the dealers put on. A good tire cleaner is called Westley's Bleche-White. Spray it on and then scrub with a stiff brush, then spray again and let set for a few minutes.

    Then I drove to the nearby Freeway and drove a couple miles eash way to totally blow off any remaining water.

    THEN, I mixed the ZFX, and put on the first Z2 coat. While it is drying, I carefully vacuumed the carpets and sprayed with Scotchguard. Then remove #1 and do Z coat #2. While that's drying, I cleaned the interior and polished everything with Lemon Pledge. Then wipe off 2 and add Z #3. While that's drying, fully clean all the windows with Sprayway. Remove Z3, spritz and polish with Z6.

    Don't forget to polish your wheels at the same time to help keep them clean, and to Z the tires as well each time.

    THEN - Stand back, admire, take compliments from jealous neighbors! Total elapsed time after return from freeway - 2 hrs. Have Fun!
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,404
    I'd do the Dawn wash first, then clay, then Z7 wash.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,145
    I don't think it matters much if you Z7 wash, clay, Dawn wash or Dawn wash, clay, Z7 wash.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,404
    much. However, Sal recommends the Dawn wash first.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    I agree, however, I didn't want to Dawn wash twice, so I saved the Dawn wash to just before the Z.
  • billyperksbillyperks Member Posts: 449
    thanks
  • kheintz1kheintz1 Member Posts: 213
    "...Then I drove to the nearby Freeway and drove a couple miles eash way to totally blow off any remaining water."

    After going through all that work to clean/claybar/clean, I would be very concerned about the fine film of road dust and airborne particulates that your vehicle's finish would acquire during that 4-mile sprint on the freeway, even during the best of weather. (An easy way to demonstrate the presence of this dust after such a drive would be to wipe the front windshield with a paper towel moistened with glass cleaner, then look at what comes off on the towel.)

    Freeways (or most any roads) are inherently dusty-- just walk even briefly along a freeway sometime and notice how much crud gets blown into your eyes, mouth, and nostrils. And, freeways are regularly traveled over by vehicles that may be slowly leaking such things as coolant, oil, diesel fuel, etc., and this is one reason why roads are often deceptively slippery shortly after a rain begins. Also, car and truck exhaust (especially DIESEL exhaust) contains soot, unburned fuel, traces of oil, etc., and these airborne contaminants are concentrated along roadways. I would be real concerned about mixing that fine film of road grime with the polishes.

    I believe that the best way to dry a vehicle is through the use of clean white towels, and I don't believe the vehicle needs to be bone-dry in every nook and cranny before proceeding with the polishes. In addition, I believe that the best way to detail a vehicle is to plan on leaving it in a clean garage for the duration of the project. But again, this is merely my opinion.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    You are absolutely correct. In the ideal world we would be as careful as possible. However,
    1. I dust the car carefully with a California duster before polishing, and
    2. The water that remains in cracks and crevices creeps out into the polishing, and more so the wiping off of the polish, leaving streaks, unremoved wax, etc.

    I find the freeway dash to be the lesser of the evils. Perhaps an electric leafblower would be an alternative?
  • kheintz1kheintz1 Member Posts: 213
    Fortunately, I've not noticed any problems with those small amounts of residual water causing streaking, etc. And yes, I've read the area of Zaino's web site where they mention using a leaf blower to drive off water in order to make towel drying easier, but that's an idea I'm not comfortable with. Why? Well, in my opinion, one would need to buy a new blower (no big deal, of course) that would be used only for drying the vehicle, and not also serving yard duties such as blowing grass and leaves, mulching autumn leaves, etc. Secondly, even if the blower is otherwise brand new and as clean as a whistle, using it to help dry a painstakingly cleaned vehicle (especially prior to polish applications) would inevitably kick-up a good deal of dust and other debris within the typical garage or driveway. Rather than spending hours trying to get my garage clean enough to even consider using a leaf blower, I would rather just use towels to dry the vehicle. Thirdly, I would imagine that using a blower would indeed crudely remove large amounts of rinse-water sitting on the vehicle, but unless one immediately thereafter began furiously wiping the vehicle with dry towels, such a gross drying method would be a huge invitation to vast areas of the finish being covered with tiny, residual droplets and films of moisture, which might then air-dry so quickly as to form extensive watermarks, especially if the vehicle is under high-intensity shop lights (or worse, direct sunlight.)
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    I am concerned only with the water that you CAN'T dry with towels, that lurks in the cracks and crevices, and comes out ONLY while you are trying to wipe the wax off! The rest is of course dried off with towels.

    Personally, I agree that the leaf blower is a bad idea.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,404
    The leaf blower drying method has been mentioned several times, and even by Sal. I've tried it a couple of times, and it works and Kheinz1's concerns are not really a problem. A new blower isn't needed, dust isn't a problem as long as the blower is directed at the car and not the floor, and water spotting is not an issue since most all the water is blown off. That said, I went back to towels. My experience was by the time I got the blower and electrical cord out, and blew the car, I could just about have done it with the towels. Also, I didn't care to be walking around a WET driveway using a 110 volt blower at full blast. Granted the chance of an electrical problem is extremely small, but I've grown up knowing water and electricity don't mix. Only takes one time to give you a really bad day.
  • kourykoury Member Posts: 225
    I couldn't agree more - the leaf blower isn't so much a time saver as it removes water from cracks when you're applying/removing wax. I own a Navigator - try getting the water out of the hard to reach places on that baby prior to waxing. Just don't aim it at the ground!!!
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,145
    I've been using the "dash from the driveway" process to "semi-dry" my cars for years with no untoward results. So, I'm with you.

    I would imagine a leaf blower would work, too. It can't be any worse than washing my car on a breezy day.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    You...wash...your...car...in...the..wind?

    Just kidding! How's the scratch?
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