Suggest you review a number of the earlier postings in this forum. I'm sure it won't take you long to appreciate the fact that waxes aren't even in the same league as Zaino, especially in ease of application and longevity of the protection (not to mention the fact that you can accumulate multiple layers of Zaino on a car's finish).
Many skeptics read and read before finally trying Zaino -- and then, most become Zaino fanatics (like me!).
I have just received my Zaino order and am ready to wash, polish, etc my brand new car. I have my 100% USA made cotton towels and my bottle of blue/green Dawn for the initial wash. Here's my question - I'm a little afraid that when I remove the dealer wax w/Dawn, my white car will never have a clearcoat shine again. I know that Dawn does not remove the paint, but does it remove the clearcoat shine? What will it look like when I finish washing and before I apply the Z-1. Should I test it on a small area to be sure that it will be ok? Thanks for any comments.
This is the second Z topic, and comparisons have been made in this one and the first. Sorry, I can't cite the exact postings. When you have some spare time, scroll thru them.
For what it's worth, the poster that you thanked on the other forum, was indeed quite knowledgeable. He admitted he hasn't tried this particular product. I don't know why. But, something from my past experience is that my mother-in-law's Taurus is into it's 5th month of a Z application, and beads water as well as it did the day it was applied. Now, if one's livlihood for the past 20 years is "making cars look pretty", then to stay in business they would need repeat business. If the shine and protection lasts 5+ months, that could hit home in the old pocketbook pretty hard. I'm not saying anything deraugatory about that poster, but after 30 years of car ownership and maintaining only mine, using anything from Classic Aircraft Wax to Blue Coral, and many many other waxes (Meguires included), I have yet to find one that lasts as long or shines as nice as Zaino.
He is quite correct that you can't take a junkyard Volvo and return it to showroom shine using Zaino, and I haven't seen any posts in this forum ever claiming that it would. What has been posted consistantly is that Z is easy to apply, protects well, and shines like crazy.
Your car will look fine, whatever you use. But from what I've gleaned over the past 30 years is that mine will most likely look finer, thanks to my "wax" of choice. I only wish I'd known about it sooner.
Don't worry about hurting the clearcoat on white with the dawn wash. I drive a white 300M, and the Z will mske it shine nicer. Now, as Sal Zaino will tell you, the Z will not produce as a dramatic ultra wet look on a white car...that effect is better on darker colors. But, my 300M still does appear "wet", whether up close or from a distance. It definitely shines better than any other white car in the company parking lot!
You will only take off the wax, not ANY of the clearcoat. As said above, use just a little. Wet the pad with Z-6, then draw an X or a Z on the pad with the polish and squeeze it together to distribute the polish. This will do several square feet. You should use only about 1 to 1-1/2" of the polish in the bottle for the whole car!
My car is also white, and Zaino is so clear, it is hard to see. When applying, mentally divide the car into small sections, and then do each one so you cover it all without a lot of overlap.
I was driving down a street which was having traffic lines painted on it. I tried my best to avoid getting any on my dark blue '00 Honda Odyssey. Unfortunately, I didn't do as well as I thought I did avoiding the paint. However, when I washed the car today (two days after the paint incident) I was thrilled to find that with only a minimal amount of effort, the road line paint came right off. Just a little additional pressure with the wash cloth and the offending road line paint came off and left no traces that it was ever there.
Before Zaino, it would have taken "Bug, Paint & Tar Remover", a great deal of elbow grease, rewaxing and hours of "fun." Zaino is the best!
A friend of mine told me about Zaino products and how good they were.. I took at look here at the posts and went to their website to do some more research and decided to give the product a try. Live pretty close to a distributor, so went and picked up all that I thought I needed to give my 93 Explorer a face lift. (Z1,2,5,6,7,claybar). Was a little taken back by the price and the amount of work I seemed I would have to do. Washed with Blue Dawn as told then did the claybar. THAT THING IS AMAZING!! Like it says, you can actually feel the grime lifting off the surface. Had road paint on the car for about 18 months that would not come off with any other product. The claybar made easy work of it!! If you are considering the claybar..DO IT..
Washed with 7 then did 1 and 5.. Took a look and couldn't believe my eyes...The truck looked new. Actually went out in the truck that afternoon and a friend of mine asked if I had gotten the truck painted..Next morning, did 6 then did 2 and WOW!!
Will buy nothing ever again other than Zaino!! Cant wait to see it on my I30...(Too pooped to do 2 cars in one weekend!!)
You are right. I had done my new Ody recently and clayed to clean it up. Finally did the full treatment my 98 Accord yesterday (was waiting for recent paint work to "cure) and I was amazed at all the crud the clay bar removed.
My Accord is the heather mist (tannish silver) and last year I noticed what looked like rust colored overspray spots on the paint, chrome and rubber. Tired everything to clean it off and finally had a detail shop buff it out. The spots came back a few weeks later and I determined it was something leeching from the brick building I park next to at work.
Yesterday, I pulled out the clay and started using it on these spots - the clay took them right out. After 90 minutes of work, the car was smooth as silk and ready for the treatment. After I used the 2 on it, I was seeing the reflection of the clouds in the hood and this AM I could see in my side mirror an image in my door panels of the cemetery I was driving past.
My real test will be this winter. Here in Boston it's tough to wash your car in the winter and I will not use drive throughs. I plan to coat each car once a month until it is too cold and try to hand wash and use the u-do-its when it is warm enough.
You lucky dog you, having a local Zaino distributor. After pondering doing the Z treatments for many weeks, and then making the decision to go forward, I’m forced to wait on the postal and UPS delivery system.
I was up in the air about claying, decided I going to do it anyway. Base on all my readings, I figured it was not going to hurt anything just some time involved.
I’ll give my assessments of the products after the applications, right now it too damn hot anyway, today it is 110 degrees [central plains].
A little REALLY goes a long way. I tried to put as little of the Z-1/Z-5 coats as I thought possible, and I still used too much. After 5 hours, it still hadn't dried. My second coat of Z-5 the following weekend went on much better (and thinner) and wiped off with ease. The key is if you can see it, you've put too much on.
Rich
P.S. My black '01 Suburban now looks like a mirror.
I too have also ordered Zaino products and just sent the check this afternoon. I can't wait til I recieve it. Im from the Los Angeles area, where are you from?
Im new to this forum, I have a 99 Black MB ML320 which has a few swirls on it. I have yet to see a Black MB without some. Anyways Im hoping to see Zaino work its magic soon and cure me of these Swirls.
I've done it... ordered Zaino from one of the distributers and the pakage is making it's few thousand mile journey to my mailbox as we speak. I must one of the most distant Zaino User here..
jdonnee--I was using Eagle 1 when I "stumbled upon" Zaino a while ago. Although, I doubt you won't hurt anything by applying Zaino over Finish First, the bennefit you receive by getting as much of the old wax off by a couple of Dawn washes and a good "claying" will allow you to get your finish as optically pure as possible. As a matter of fact, I doubt you will be able to remove all of the Finish First by washing with Dawn a couple of times since it is also a polymer.
I'm a bit "anal" about my finish and I had to Dawn and clay my car 3 times before I got all of the wax off. If you were using a carnuba, then the Dawn process would be a littel easier as it seems to "strip right through" carnubas.
In the past I've used Eagle 1, Blitz, Pinnacle, zymol, Meguiars, Mothers and some lesser known products that I have long since forgotten (including Turtle Wax, Simonize and the "fire resistent" infomercial brands). I have never found any of those to offer the deep shine combined with the durability, ease of use and outstanding customer support that Zaino offers.
I peruse the "Store Bought Wax" topic from time to time to see if there is any tips that I could use. There seems to be a raging debate about some "daverose" postings since he is a Zaino distributor. At no time did he mention that he was a distributor when posting his opinions until someone else mentioned it. He was unfairly given the "third degree" because of his distributor status when he was only trying to help. There still seems to be a belief that the Zaino proponents receive some sort of financial bennefit from using and recommending Zaino products. It seems like some of us "old timer" posters here from fastdriver, pblevine and others have to continue to defend our positions that we are not distributors. Nor do we receive any bennefit (outside of the satisfaction of using the best car care products we have found) when recommending Zaino products.
We all like our cars and like to keep them nice (fastdriver, even though you are counting the days that you turn your car in, you still keep it looking very good). All we like to do is help others that have decided to use Zaino some of the techniques we have used to get the maximum out of Zaino products. Again, we receive nothing from Zaino. We pay for our products just like everyone else. No discounts (except for group purchases where we pay the same exact price as all those who participate in the group purchase). Sal doesn't send us money for recommending his products. We all just love his products and find them to be the best that are on the market.
A while ago, we lost a very good resource in Chris Parrish who was a regular poster here over the same issues. Hopefully, we will all stick around to help those that catch the Zaino "bug".
When I "Z'ed" my Miata, I used three 1/8" strips of Z2/Z5 on the moistened Zaino applicator, then smeared the product out with my finger before applying. After doing the car twice (granted, it's small and a ragtop), I found I'd only used maybe 1/4" of the product as measured in the bottle. YOU DON'T NEED MUCH!
From the life rating of the product as noted in previous posts and figuring my rate of product consumption, the Zaino products could last me years before I need to reorder. I hope that Sal has a big market, and that the rest of you have big cars!
#438 I am absolutely sure that your Miata looks fantastic after z2,z5! Zaino is truly amazing!!
In regards to a little goes a long way!, truly you could do as well with one half of what you are using to do your miata! (Used 2 oz or 1/4 of the bottle, for two applications, so all you really needed was not more than one (1) oz.)
I have been using an ounce or less when I do one Toyota Landcruiser ( 2x or more the surface area of a miata is the only point), and with that, I do ALL the plastic, windows, chrome, etc. in addition to the painted body areas. Zaino ON!
Someone needs to help make me feel comfortable about doing the “Z” applications, here lately I’m having seconds thoughts.
Reading about drying times, water spots after rainfalls, and how difficult it is to remove Z [takes multi attacks of rubbing alcohol, vinegar, Dawn etc] Uggh, I don't like that thought either. I have always been under the impression that a good couple of DAWN baths will strip the Z stuff.
What kind of water spots are we talking about, ones that flat will NOT come off/out via a simple washing???
I’ve already received my Z stuff, planned to do it this Labor Day w/e. Someone needs to help me feel comfortable about doing the Z application, otherwise I may go to Plan-B: back to my trusted Mequiars or try Zymol, I'm already familiar with this One-Step process.
The only stuff that is not common to both Zaino and your "tried and true" Meguairs is the removal of Zaino, if in by chance you don't like it after you apply it. So I am confused as to what you are uncomfortable about. May I suggest you doing say a portion of your vehicle, say the hood and see for yourself. Even if you dont like Zaino, the Meguairs will go right over it anyway. I was an avid Meguairs user before the switch to Zaino, to sum up my tests and the reactions to them; longer durability [ 1 mo max vs 6 mo], less, less, less effort, better shine, less chance of swirls and paint damage, in part due to Zaino being better, and in part to having to structually touch the paint less often and less aggressively. I especially like not having to do it as often as Meguairs, even though I understand that there are advocates of multiple applications of z-2.
graphicguy: Your last post here is one of the best statements I've read on the subject. I agree and thank you! For the record, I have NO financial stake or compensation from or by Zaino. I just love the product. All the Zaino products! I'm not even in the field. I'm a software engineer.
In fact, I'm probably a bit older than most here (50's) and I drive what I consider to be an average car ('98 Accord Coupe EX V6). My car takes a lot of abuse in both urban and rural environments - from pot holes to mud. Because I do like to keep the car in nice condition, I kept searching for better products. And I've seen a lot over the years. When I found (and tested) Zaino (Thanks to Chris Parrish), I knew I found something that was (and is) a significant cut above the rest. It works, its good, it lives up to more than just the hype, its the steak - not the sizzle! But I'm not here to preach. Again, I'm just an average car owner who would like to learn a bit more about caring for my car. And if I can help out a few others on the way, so much the better.
I felt that I had to mention this because of all the nonsense going on in the "other" (non-Z) topic. From what I can see, its not productive and will just turn people off. I'll try to stick to tips and usage considerations.
jgriff: I can understand your current state of feelings. When we start talking about various finish defects and/or problems, we're doing so on a whole different level from the average wax product user. Don't let it get to you! You'll do fine. For this first time usage, please reference the "Application" section of the www.zainobros.com website. Use those directions during your first time application. I made all the classic mistakes my first few times and things still turned out just fine.
As for water spots, if you dry your car quickly after washing, you won't give the dust time to form waterspots. Just use a cotton towel and gently wipe the car down. You'll see that after the initial application, everything will become easier. Don't sweat it.
Guys (I’m assuming) thanks for your responses it’s much appreciated. I planned to do the whole 9-nine yards, Dawn, Z-18-clay, Dawn, Z-1, Z-2, taking my time doing it mostly under the cover of my garage out of the BLAZING sun.
And Yes, I’ve read & re-read all the info & instructions, and I’m assuming that it is mostly the fear of the unknown, and I hate having re-do or un-do any screws-ups. It’s almost like doing your first oil change, and you’ve never see it done before.
I always hand-dry [cotton towels] my cars after washing, and sometime I forget the door jams and I’ll get some water spots there. Are these the type of water spots that people are referring to? After a normal rain shower/storm does a Zaino finish perform better/worst/same as a good quality wax. I don’t want my car to look like crap until I get is washed.
* Claying again MY first time: any special advice that has not already been covered at the Zaino tip site?
* pblevine: what classic mistakes should I be trying to avoid?
I have about 6 or 8 coats of Z-2 on my brilliant silver MB, and I pull into my garage after or during a rain storm and forget about the car. The next morning the car looks like it's just been washed -- slick as can be, even the lower panels! No water spots at all!
I great tip I learned from this forum was how to minimize large water accumulations on the paint after washing the car with Z-7. DON'T use the spray nozzle of the hose for the final rinse. Instead, hold the end of the hose just above the finish and let the water flow gently onto the surface. Most of the water rolls right off, and you'll find there's a minimum amount of it left to dry off with a towel!
In applying Zaino, I've learned that after placing three stripes of Z-2 on the applicator, I just fold over the Zaino applicator onto itself and spread the Z-2 around that way (vs using my fingers). I also dampen the applicator with a bit of water first, spray it with Z-6, and then start spreading the Z-2 on the applicator.
Good luck with your Zaino -- it's almost fool proof, and I'd be willing to bet that you, too, will become a Zaino fanatic (like most of us who have used it).
I am posting this to someone's (I am too lazy to look) request for a Collonite vs. Zaino comparison.
In February, I purchased Collonite. This was my last attempt at finding a long-lasting carnuaba wax. I figured if this didn't last, I was definitely gonna try Zaino. Well, the wax lasted approximately 1.5 months (this is when the water stopped beading). I then bit the bullet and purchased Zaino. The original coat of Zaino was still beading water after 3 months. This sold me on the product. It was a little expensive, and a slight hassle applying the initial Z-1 coat, but it was all worth the effort, in my opinion. I always loved the look of the Carnuaba Waxes, but I am tired of spending my money trying new, higher-end waxes with no huge, noticable improvements in durability (and shine can only get so good). So, it is with no regret, that I proclaim myself a permanent Zaino user.
jgriff--classic 1st mistakes include (but is not limited to) putting Zaino on too thick. Remember, when putting Zaino on, thinner coats are better. Lots of good advice here on how people do it. My best results come from slightly dampening the applicator with Z6 before putting on any wax (this aids in getting Zaino on smoothly and evenly). Then, just put two very thin lines (either in an "X" or "+" pattern on the applicator. Squeeze the applicator to get the wax spread evenly on the applicator. For Z1, apply in a circular motion. For Z2 (or Z5), just wipe Zaino on in a front to back motion on horizontal areas and up and down on all vertical areas. When the applicator gets dry, just apply more Zaino in the fashion described above.
The second biggest mistake is not letting it dry long enough...especially when applying Z2 (or Z5) on top of Z1. Remember, there are two coats of wax that have to dry. It seems in the midwest the humidity is pretty high right now. This will lengthen drying time. If you can, let the Zaino combo dry overnight the first time. You should be able to just wipe Zaino off with a cotton towel if it has dried sufficiently. If it's not dry, it will just smear and streak (you are just moving the Zaino around on the surface if it's not dry...you're not removing it).
As far as claying in concerned, be sure to wet or lubricate the area you're claying well. The clay bar should glide over the surface. If it snags, re-lubricate the area you're working on.
Peterskm--welcome to the fold. I've used some of the high end waxes in the past, too. None of them were able to match the combination of shie/durability that Zaino offers.
MBdriver--there was a false rumor going around a while ago stating that Zaino was bad for German paint. We all knew it wasn't true. You proved the rumor to be wrong once and for all.
* Claying again MY first time: any special advice that has not already been covered at the Zaino tip site?
I advise:
You might want to spread an old (rinsed off) shower curtain or ground cloth under you when you first clay until you get the hang of handling it. You might drop the clay bar; the ground cover will minimize the possibility of something attaching itself to the clay that would scratch the paint.
I use the Zaino wash mixed with distilled water to avoid minerals drying on the surface. To that end, rinse the areas you have clayed a couple of times along the way, just to avoid that drying of the claying residue.
Also, look at the clay frequently and remove any grit or impurities you can roll off the bar with the pads of you fingers. You could also have some Zaino wash solution (soap AND water) ready to dunk the clay into to clean it off. (I would NOT use the bucket of Dawn washing solution; I have found that it starts to separate the clay, creating gaps that can catch as you slide the clay along, making it a little harder to use.)
The above posts by graphicguy and daverose are excellent! Follow their advice and all will go well.
The first time I used Zaino, I made two big mistakes: I picked a cold wet day and I applied too much Z1 & Z2. Temperature and humidity affect drying times, and yep, it took a really looooong time to dry. I like daverose's idea of using a ground cloth to avoid getting the clay bar full of dirt. A plastic garbage bag could also do the trick.
And lastly, wear a pair of ear plugs to avoid the wife's constant gripes: "Time to go shopping", "Foods' Ready!", "The Game is On", "Want a beer?". Just joking! Take your time and enjoy!
I just washed and Z-6ed my truck today and had to park in a dirt parking lot. Consequently, I now have a thin layer of dust over the whole thing. My question is can you "dust" it off with a clean towel without scratching it or do I need to rewash and Z-6?
I was also very skeptical and concerned about a car finish that couldn't be removed by conventional means. It took a year of reading the forums, the drudgery of re-waxing our cars several times with Meguiar's and others, and fastdriver's photos to convince me. I will NEVER go back to wax! Don't worry, just do it!
I have 4 coats on, and have used only about 1/2 bottle.
Also - I believe that the water spots mentioned were from washing the car in areas with very hard water (lotsa minerals) and letting the car dry. This will happen with any car finish.
Have fun, and let us know how much you love your new shine!
Also - It is too bad the Luddites on the wax forum will not allow themselves to learn something new. Oh well, someone has to buy the wax, right?
Just received my car "care package" from Sal. My plans are to polish the car this weekend. I have a few questions - I have read all of the posts - I have my towels and will wash my new white car w/Dawn, Z-1 then Z-2. Here are my questions. What do I use to put on the Z-1 and the Z-2? I have one applicator and lots of 100% USA made cotton towels. Can I use the same applicator for both? If not, should I use the applicator for the Z-1 or the Z-2? After I wipe off the dryed Z-1/Z-2, can I immediately Z-2 again? If I wait a day or so, do I need to Z-7 before I reapply the Z-2? Thanks for your help. I too am nervous about doing the car esp. the Dawn part and removing the new car wax and also hoping that the Z-1/Z-2 dries in hot, humid Fl.
#453 If you are talking about the applicator that comes from SAL, sooner or later it will wear out. I would get 100% cotton face towel and wrap it around the applicator that comes with the care package. This way you can easily wash it after using it to apply z-1,z-2,z-5. While z-1 and z-2 and z-5 are made to chemically bond with one another I would use a fresh towel/side/applicator for each. If you are relatively dust free and wait a day or so you can use z-6 before the second coat of z-2, if not relatively dust free, by all means use the z-7 (car wash? I forget the numbers off hand)
All the dawning procedure does is remove whatever is there chemically, so the z-1 doesn't have to work over time. Happy Zainoing to you!
Don't fret over the Dawn wash. Just rinse your call down well before the wash. This will loosen the dirt. Then, wash with Dawn just like you would when washing the car in the normal manner.
The applicator that came with your Zaino order is rather fragile. I would use one side of it for the Z1. Flip it over to the clean side to apply Z2. After the Z1/Z2 dries, wipe it off with your cotton towel(s).
Wait at least 6-8 hours (preferably overnight) before you apply a 2nd coat of Z2. This will allow the first coat to cure. If your car gets dusty/dirty, Z7 wash first before you apply the second coat of Z2. You'll protect your finish from the grit that sometimes accumulates as you drive around.
Hot and humid FLA...allow your Z1/Z2 to dry overnight before removing it. That way you will be sure that it is dry.
Don't be fearful about this. You really can't "mess up" and you certainly won't hurt anything if any of the steps don't go as planned. We're here to help.
Dust: I have to drive over dirt roads, so I too know the problem. Basically, if you only have a VERY light coating of dust, you can use a towel or a 'duster' type product to remove a light layer. Just be careful not to apply ANY pressure. Simply drag portion of the towel over the surface. If you can easily see the dust, then you have a 'heavy' layer, and a Z-7 washing is in order. Moving the particals of a heavy layer around, even with a light towel, can cause those very light scratches called 'spider webs' ('web sites' for cell phone equipped cars).
I know that it is sometimes hard to get the time to wash your car. Probably more so for a working truck. There are several things you can do in that case. First, when the surface is clean (ie: after a Z-2 application), use the Z-6 Gloss Enhancer as indicated. Z-6 includes an anti-static compound. After a number of Z-6 applications, the car's surface will resist dust and make it much easier to remove embedded dirt, splattered bugs, etc. So, provided your Z-6 is protected via Z-6, you will have a number of options:
* Drive at 130mph - Dust will 'fly' away. Hehe!
* A light washing - Best approach provided you've got the time.
* A "rinse": simply run water over the surface - You'll be amazed at how much junk is simply rinsed away from a Zaino protected surface. And don't use a lot of water pressure.
* The 'light' dusting approach - as mentioned above, but it works much better on a Z-6 layer.
* The 'mist' approach: I think it was Automophile (or graphicguy) who suggested this. - Carry a water filled spray bottle (or maybe with a very small amount of Z-7 in it). Simply spray the surface down to loosen the dust, and (very lightly) wipe away with a cotton towel. This works great for those bugs splattered on my front bumper.
Z Applicators: I like graphicguy's idea of using both sides of the applicator. I bought six additional applicators in my last order because, yes, they DO wear out. At least I wash them in liquid Tide after each use and that helps. And I keep an old one around just for use on the wheels.
Thanks for the tips. I have a black Suburban and was worried that dusting, although easier, might cause scratches. I'll try rinsing first, then washing if unsuccessful. Thanks again.
Thanx for your observations on Collonite vs Zaino, THAT was informative and useful information to someone like me who is a neophyte at high end waxes, trying to learn more, and form my own opinion. Vern
There is no need to let the Z1 dry before putting on the Z2. Don't use much of either one though. But, make sure that it's completely dry before wiping (buffing not required) it off.
I put it on intially in the winter on a 36 degree day (ever hand wash a car when it's 36 degrees - it hurts!) and it took about 4 to 5 hours to dry. During the summer, though, it's usually dry within an hour.
Thanks to everyone for their helpful cooments re: how to use my new "care package" of Zaino products. I have already used the leather cleaner and conditioner and was pleased w/the results - not to mention the new leather smell! I hope to Z my car this weekend - if it ever stops raining and gets below 90 degrees . Will let you know how the shine on my brand new car turns out.
As some of you know, the crybaby Car-Wax Luddites on the "other" wax forum just can't stand to hear even the mention of Zaino. It's beyond me to understand this. I first found out about Zaino "over there", as many of you did.
Since we can't even HINT at Z while trying to help others, I suggest that we ask our hosts to re-name this Forum to something that will turn up under a search for "waxes", so other newbies can find it. How about "Zaino - World's greatest car wax!" That will get some attention, yes? Other comments and suggestions?
Agree with Bob...that would start a WAR on a grand scale. I can only imagine how long that topic would last before being scribbled. It would be pretty funny, though.
The Store Bought Wax topic would probably form an alliance and vote us off the Edmunds island.
it's really ridiculous the way people have reacted over in the other topics. I too learned about Zaino over there, yet the crybabies think we're starting a holy war any time we try to enlighten someone on what's available on the market - both store bought and mail order. Who cares where you buy a product as long as it works? Some of the store bought stuff costs as much as Zaino, so what's the point? It's not our fault this forum doesn't include the Zaino topic when you do a search on waxes.
A suggestion to our hosts - banish the babies who just don't get the purpose of these discussions. Let them rant in a topic called "I have nothing better to do than argue". Tell these people to get over it when someone tries to enlighten a person seeking advice. I've said it once, I'll say it again - if someone posts a helpful hint that is related to the topic at hand, where's the harm?
Thanks koury. However, I am SERIOUS about a new title. With Wax and Polish in it, so newbies have a clue. The current title sound more like a car tale written by Mr. Zaino!
Actually - it seems that anyone can start a new topic, with any name they want, right? So - if the hosts don't want to change the title again, we can start a new topic and continue over there, yes? How about - - Zaino - better than wax? - Why I like Zaino better than ordinary waxes. - Zaino - The ultimate car wax or polish? - Why I stopped waxing my car and switched to Zaino polish. - Zaino - the best car "wax" or polish I have ever found.
Other suggestions? I am NOT trying to start a war, but I can't stand it that a few stuck-in-the-past crybabies are being allowed to prevent countless newcomers from even knowing about an alternative.
Was started with misinformation - the original post said (in part):
<< There is a topic on waxes that is mostly discussions about products, like Zaino, that require many hours of works and several costs, with waits between each coat. I am sure that those kind of waxes have their place, but not everyone is a detailer.
I, like the most of car owners, have other interests and demands on my time. I do want my car to look nice and be protected, but realistically can only get around to waxing once every six months, or even once a year. And I need a wax that can be easily applied and removed. >>
I know that when I first started reading about Zaino, some of the "fanatics" spoke of multiple coats, etc. in order to get the deepest shine. That could have turned a few people off, as it did this gentleman, by making it seem like Zaino was a lot of work to put on.
I did the multiple coats on my white car, and it does look good. But I also did another car with just one coat. I did it over 5 months ago, and I did it in about an hour. It's still beading and shining like new. I think some folks got "scared" away because of the talk of claying, multiple coats, etc. to get the best results. IMHO, if you only want to spend an hour and get long lasting shine and protection, the Z is the way to go.
So, for the newbies (and those who are looking for a quick, long lasting wax) who are wondering, it ISN'T necessary to put multiple coats on, and it ISN'T necessary to clay the car. A little goes a long way, and it is very easy to apply and remove. Some of us really are fanatics, and it's true that the more coats, the deeper your shine, but if you want a shine that's "just as good" as Mothers or Meguires, but that will last longer, then you really should give Zaino a try.
Bruce and I are working on a way to restructure these topics - so please just hang on for a bit, and just continue talking about Zaino here (as opposed to discussing personalities!).
I agree "wax" needs to be in the title of this topic - automophile, perhaps you recall that is exactly what I suggested - or at least SOMETHING needs to be done to enable someone who knows nothing about Zaino to associate this topic with waxes, polishes, polymers whatever.
We'll work it out as soon as we can.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Pat Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference
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Many skeptics read and read before finally trying Zaino -- and then, most become Zaino fanatics (like me!).
For what it's worth, the poster that you thanked on the other forum, was indeed quite knowledgeable. He admitted he hasn't tried this particular product. I don't know why. But, something from my past experience is that my mother-in-law's Taurus is into it's 5th month of a Z application, and beads water as well as it did the day it was applied. Now, if one's livlihood for the past 20 years is "making cars look pretty", then to stay in business they would need repeat business. If the shine and protection lasts 5+ months, that could hit home in the old pocketbook pretty hard. I'm not saying anything deraugatory about that poster, but after 30 years of car ownership and maintaining only mine, using anything from Classic Aircraft Wax to Blue Coral, and many many other waxes (Meguires included), I have yet to find one that lasts as long or shines as nice as Zaino.
He is quite correct that you can't take a junkyard Volvo and return it to showroom shine using Zaino, and I haven't seen any posts in this forum ever claiming that it would. What has been posted consistantly is that Z is easy to apply, protects well, and shines like crazy.
Your car will look fine, whatever you use. But from what I've gleaned over the past 30 years is that mine will most likely look finer, thanks to my "wax" of choice. I only wish I'd known about it sooner.
My car is also white, and Zaino is so clear, it is hard to see. When applying, mentally divide the car into small sections, and then do each one so you cover it all without a lot of overlap.
Have fun!
Before Zaino, it would have taken "Bug, Paint & Tar Remover", a great deal of elbow grease, rewaxing and hours of "fun." Zaino is the best!
Washed with 7 then did 1 and 5.. Took a look and couldn't believe my eyes...The truck looked new. Actually went out in the truck that afternoon and a friend of mine asked if I had gotten the truck painted..Next morning, did 6 then did 2 and WOW!!
Will buy nothing ever again other than Zaino!! Cant wait to see it on my I30...(Too pooped to do 2 cars in one weekend!!)
Squid
My Accord is the heather mist (tannish silver) and last year I noticed what looked like rust colored overspray spots on the paint, chrome and rubber. Tired everything to clean it off and finally had a detail shop buff it out. The spots came back a few weeks later and I determined it was something leeching from the brick building I park next to at work.
Yesterday, I pulled out the clay and started using it on these spots - the clay took them right out. After 90 minutes of work, the car was smooth as silk and ready for the treatment. After I used the 2 on it, I was seeing the reflection of the clouds in the hood and this AM I could see in my side mirror an image in my door panels of the cemetery I was driving past.
My real test will be this winter. Here in Boston it's tough to wash your car in the winter and I will not use drive throughs. I plan to coat each car once a month until it is too cold and try to hand wash and use the u-do-its when it is warm enough.
I was up in the air about claying, decided I going to do it anyway. Base on all my readings, I figured it was not going to hurt anything just some time involved.
I’ll give my assessments of the products after the applications, right now it too damn hot anyway, today it is 110 degrees [central plains].
Exactly 7-days from when I dropped the check in the mail. That's great, all 3 post-office, Zaino, & UPS!!.
I'm I correct in understanding that a little Z goes a long way? Don't put it on too thick?
Rich
P.S. My black '01 Suburban now looks like a mirror.
I too have also ordered Zaino products and just sent the check this afternoon. I can't wait til I recieve it. Im from the Los Angeles area, where are you from?
Im new to this forum, I have a 99 Black MB ML320 which has a few swirls on it. I have yet to see a Black MB without some. Anyways Im hoping to see Zaino work its magic soon and cure me of these Swirls.
-Chris
There seems to be a difference of opinion as to what to wash with after the clay application. Some say Dawn again, some use the Zaino wash.
Comments?
Rich
Zul
What a recommendation on this.
What do you recommend?
I'm a bit "anal" about my finish and I had to Dawn and clay my car 3 times before I got all of the wax off. If you were using a carnuba, then the Dawn process would be a littel easier as it seems to "strip right through" carnubas.
In the past I've used Eagle 1, Blitz, Pinnacle, zymol, Meguiars, Mothers and some lesser known products that I have long since forgotten (including Turtle Wax, Simonize and the "fire resistent" infomercial brands). I have never found any of those to offer the deep shine combined with the durability, ease of use and outstanding customer support that Zaino offers.
I peruse the "Store Bought Wax" topic from time to time to see if there is any tips that I could use. There seems to be a raging debate about some "daverose" postings since he is a Zaino distributor. At no time did he mention that he was a distributor when posting his opinions until someone else mentioned it. He was unfairly given the "third degree" because of his distributor status when he was only trying to help. There still seems to be a belief that the Zaino proponents receive some sort of financial bennefit from using and recommending Zaino products. It seems like some of us "old timer" posters here from fastdriver, pblevine and others have to continue to defend our positions that we are not distributors. Nor do we receive any bennefit (outside of the satisfaction of using the best car care products we have found) when recommending Zaino products.
We all like our cars and like to keep them nice (fastdriver, even though you are counting the days that you turn your car in, you still keep it looking very good). All we like to do is help others that have decided to use Zaino some of the techniques we have used to get the maximum out of Zaino products. Again, we receive nothing from Zaino. We pay for our products just like everyone else. No discounts (except for group purchases where we pay the same exact price as all those who participate in the group purchase). Sal doesn't send us money for recommending his products. We all just love his products and find them to be the best that are on the market.
A while ago, we lost a very good resource in Chris Parrish who was a regular poster here over the same issues. Hopefully, we will all stick around to help those that catch the Zaino "bug".
From the life rating of the product as noted in previous posts and figuring my rate of product consumption, the Zaino products could last me years before I need to reorder. I hope that Sal has a big market, and that the rest of you have big cars!
Jim M.
Rich
I am absolutely sure that your Miata looks fantastic after z2,z5! Zaino is truly amazing!!
In regards to a little goes a long way!, truly you could do as well with one half of what you are using to do your miata! (Used 2 oz or 1/4 of the bottle, for two applications, so all you really needed was not more than one (1) oz.)
I have been using an ounce or less when I do one Toyota Landcruiser ( 2x or more the surface area of a miata is the only point), and with that, I do ALL the plastic, windows, chrome, etc. in addition to the painted body areas. Zaino ON!
Reading about drying times, water spots after rainfalls, and how difficult it is to remove Z [takes multi attacks of rubbing alcohol, vinegar, Dawn etc] Uggh, I don't like that thought either. I have always been under the impression that a good couple of DAWN baths will strip the Z stuff.
What kind of water spots are we talking about, ones that flat will NOT come off/out via a simple washing???
I’ve already received my Z stuff, planned to do it this Labor Day w/e. Someone needs to help me feel comfortable about doing the Z application, otherwise I may go to Plan-B: back to my trusted Mequiars or try Zymol, I'm already familiar with this One-Step process.
The only stuff that is not common to both Zaino and your "tried and true" Meguairs is the removal of Zaino, if in by chance you don't like it after you apply it. So I am confused as to what you are uncomfortable about. May I suggest you doing say a portion of your vehicle, say the hood and see for yourself. Even if you dont like Zaino, the Meguairs will go right over it anyway. I was an avid Meguairs user before the switch to Zaino, to sum up my tests and the reactions to them; longer durability [ 1 mo max vs 6 mo], less, less, less effort, better shine, less chance of swirls and paint damage, in part due to Zaino being better, and in part to having to structually touch the paint less often and less aggressively. I especially like not having to do it as often as Meguairs, even though I understand that there are advocates of multiple applications of z-2.
Your last post here is one of the best statements I've read on the subject. I agree and thank you! For the record, I have NO financial stake or compensation from or by Zaino. I just love the product. All the Zaino products! I'm not even in the field. I'm a software engineer.
In fact, I'm probably a bit older than most here (50's) and I drive what I consider to be an average car ('98 Accord Coupe EX V6). My car takes a lot of abuse in both urban and rural environments - from pot holes to mud. Because I do like to keep the car in nice condition, I kept searching for better products. And I've seen a lot over the years. When I found (and tested) Zaino (Thanks to Chris Parrish), I knew I found something that was (and is) a significant cut above the rest. It works, its good, it lives up to more than just the hype, its the steak - not the sizzle! But I'm not here to preach. Again, I'm just an average car owner who would like to learn a bit more about caring for my car. And if I can help out a few others on the way, so much the better.
I felt that I had to mention this because of all the nonsense going on in the "other" (non-Z) topic. From what I can see, its not productive and will just turn people off. I'll try to stick to tips and usage considerations.
jgriff: I can understand your current state of feelings. When we start talking about various finish defects and/or problems, we're doing so on a whole different level from the average wax product user. Don't let it get to you! You'll do fine. For this first time usage, please reference the "Application" section of the www.zainobros.com website. Use those directions during your first time application. I made all the classic mistakes my first few times and things still turned out just fine.
As for water spots, if you dry your car quickly after washing, you won't give the dust time to form waterspots. Just use a cotton towel and gently wipe the car down. You'll see that after the initial application, everything will become easier. Don't sweat it.
And Yes, I’ve read & re-read all the info & instructions, and I’m assuming that it is mostly the fear of the unknown, and I hate having re-do or un-do any screws-ups. It’s almost like doing your first oil change, and you’ve never see it done before.
I always hand-dry [cotton towels] my cars after washing, and sometime I forget the door jams and I’ll get some water spots there. Are these the type of water spots that people are referring to? After a normal rain shower/storm does a Zaino finish perform better/worst/same as a good quality wax. I don’t want my car to look like crap until I get is washed.
* Claying again MY first time: any special advice that has not already been covered at the Zaino tip site?
* pblevine: what classic mistakes should I be trying to avoid?
A big thanks in advance.
No water spots at all!
I great tip I learned from this forum was how to minimize large water accumulations on the paint after washing the car with Z-7. DON'T use the spray nozzle of the hose for the final rinse. Instead, hold the end of the hose just above the finish and let the water flow gently onto the surface. Most of the water rolls right off, and you'll find there's a minimum amount of it left to dry off with a towel!
In applying Zaino, I've learned that after placing three stripes of Z-2 on the applicator, I just fold over the Zaino applicator onto itself and spread the Z-2 around that way (vs using my fingers). I also dampen the applicator with a bit of water first, spray it with Z-6, and then start spreading the Z-2 on the applicator.
Good luck with your Zaino -- it's almost fool proof, and I'd be willing to bet that you, too, will become a Zaino fanatic (like most of us who have used it).
In February, I purchased Collonite. This was my last attempt at finding a long-lasting carnuaba wax. I figured if this didn't last, I was definitely gonna try Zaino. Well, the wax lasted approximately 1.5 months (this is when the water stopped beading). I then bit the bullet and purchased Zaino. The original coat of Zaino was still beading water after 3 months. This sold me on the product. It was a little expensive, and a slight hassle applying the initial Z-1 coat, but it was all worth the effort, in my opinion. I always loved the look of the Carnuaba Waxes, but I am tired of spending my money trying new, higher-end waxes with no huge, noticable improvements in durability (and shine can only get so good). So, it is with no regret, that I proclaim myself a permanent Zaino user.
The second biggest mistake is not letting it dry long enough...especially when applying Z2 (or Z5) on top of Z1. Remember, there are two coats of wax that have to dry. It seems in the midwest the humidity is pretty high right now. This will lengthen drying time. If you can, let the Zaino combo dry overnight the first time. You should be able to just wipe Zaino off with a cotton towel if it has dried sufficiently. If it's not dry, it will just smear and streak (you are just moving the Zaino around on the surface if it's not dry...you're not removing it).
As far as claying in concerned, be sure to wet or lubricate the area you're claying well. The clay bar should glide over the surface. If it snags, re-lubricate the area you're working on.
Peterskm--welcome to the fold. I've used some of the high end waxes in the past, too. None of them were able to match the combination of shie/durability that Zaino offers.
MBdriver--there was a false rumor going around a while ago stating that Zaino was bad for German paint. We all knew it wasn't true. You proved the rumor to be wrong once and for all.
* Claying again MY first time: any special advice
that has not already been covered at the Zaino tip
site?
I advise:
You might want to spread an old (rinsed off) shower curtain or ground cloth under you when you first clay until you get the hang of handling it. You might drop the clay bar; the ground cover will minimize the possibility of something attaching itself to the clay that would scratch the paint.
I use the Zaino wash mixed with distilled water to avoid minerals drying on the surface. To that end, rinse the areas you have clayed a couple of times along the way, just to avoid that drying of the claying residue.
Also, look at the clay frequently and remove any grit or impurities you can roll off the bar with the pads of you fingers. You could also have some Zaino wash solution (soap AND water) ready to dunk the clay into to clean it off. (I would NOT use the bucket of Dawn washing solution; I have found that it starts to separate the clay, creating gaps that can catch as you slide the clay along, making it a little harder to use.)
Good luck.
The first time I used Zaino, I made two big mistakes: I picked a cold wet day and I applied too much Z1 & Z2. Temperature and humidity affect drying times, and yep, it took a really looooong time to dry. I like daverose's idea of using a ground cloth to avoid getting the clay bar full of dirt. A plastic garbage bag could also do the trick.
And lastly, wear a pair of ear plugs to avoid the wife's constant gripes: "Time to go shopping", "Foods' Ready!", "The Game is On", "Want a beer?". Just joking! Take your time and enjoy!
Rich
I was also very skeptical and concerned about a car finish that couldn't be removed by conventional means. It took a year of reading the forums, the drudgery of re-waxing our cars several times with Meguiar's and others, and fastdriver's photos to convince me. I will NEVER go back to wax! Don't worry, just do it!
I have 4 coats on, and have used only about 1/2 bottle.
Also - I believe that the water spots mentioned were from washing the car in areas with very hard water (lotsa minerals) and letting the car dry. This will happen with any car finish.
Have fun, and let us know how much you love your new shine!
Also -
It is too bad the Luddites on the wax forum will not allow themselves to learn something new. Oh well, someone has to buy the wax, right?
Z-1 or the Z-2? After I wipe off the dryed Z-1/Z-2, can I immediately Z-2 again? If I wait a day or so, do I need to Z-7 before I reapply the Z-2? Thanks for your help. I too am nervous about doing the car esp. the Dawn part and removing the new car wax and also hoping that the Z-1/Z-2 dries in hot, humid Fl.
If you are talking about the applicator that comes from SAL, sooner or later it will wear out. I would get 100% cotton face towel and wrap it around the applicator that comes with the care package. This way you can easily wash it after using it to apply z-1,z-2,z-5. While z-1 and z-2 and z-5 are made to chemically bond with one another I would use a fresh towel/side/applicator for each.
If you are relatively dust free and wait a day or so you can use z-6 before the second coat of z-2, if not relatively dust free, by all means use the z-7 (car wash? I forget the numbers off hand)
All the dawning procedure does is remove whatever is there chemically, so the z-1 doesn't have to work over time. Happy Zainoing to you!
The applicator that came with your Zaino order is rather fragile. I would use one side of it for the Z1. Flip it over to the clean side to apply Z2. After the Z1/Z2 dries, wipe it off with your cotton towel(s).
Wait at least 6-8 hours (preferably overnight) before you apply a 2nd coat of Z2. This will allow the first coat to cure. If your car gets dusty/dirty, Z7 wash first before you apply the second coat of Z2. You'll protect your finish from the grit that sometimes accumulates as you drive around.
Hot and humid FLA...allow your Z1/Z2 to dry overnight before removing it. That way you will be sure that it is dry.
Don't be fearful about this. You really can't "mess up" and you certainly won't hurt anything if any of the steps don't go as planned. We're here to help.
You've all been a big HELP, I will let you know how it comes out this w/e. I have NO doubt, I'll become a Z convert.
I know that it is sometimes hard to get the time to wash your car. Probably more so for a working truck. There are several things you can do in that case. First, when the surface is clean (ie: after a Z-2 application), use the Z-6 Gloss Enhancer as indicated. Z-6 includes an anti-static compound. After a number of Z-6 applications, the car's surface will resist dust and make it much easier to remove embedded dirt, splattered bugs, etc. So, provided your Z-6 is protected via Z-6, you will have a number of options:
* Drive at 130mph - Dust will 'fly' away. Hehe!
* A light washing - Best approach provided you've got the time.
* A "rinse": simply run water over the surface - You'll be amazed at how much junk is simply rinsed away from a Zaino protected surface. And don't use a lot of water pressure.
* The 'light' dusting approach - as mentioned above, but it works much better on a Z-6 layer.
* The 'mist' approach: I think it was Automophile (or graphicguy) who suggested this. - Carry a water filled spray bottle (or maybe with a very small amount of Z-7 in it). Simply spray the surface down to loosen the dust, and (very lightly) wipe away with a cotton towel. This works great for those bugs splattered on my front bumper.
Z Applicators: I like graphicguy's idea of using both sides of the applicator. I bought six additional applicators in my last order because, yes, they DO wear out. At least I wash them in liquid Tide after each use and that helps. And I keep an old one around just for use on the wheels.
Rich
What's best
Vern
I put it on intially in the winter on a 36 degree day (ever hand wash a car when it's 36 degrees - it hurts!) and it took about 4 to 5 hours to dry. During the summer, though, it's usually dry within an hour.
Since we can't even HINT at Z while trying to help others, I suggest that we ask our hosts to re-name this Forum to something that will turn up under a search for "waxes", so other newbies can find it. How about "Zaino - World's greatest car wax!" That will get some attention, yes? Other comments and suggestions?
LOL...........are you trying to start a war??? ;-))
fastdriver
The Store Bought Wax topic would probably form an alliance and vote us off the Edmunds island.
A suggestion to our hosts - banish the babies who just don't get the purpose of these discussions. Let them rant in a topic called "I have nothing better to do than argue". Tell these people to get over it when someone tries to enlighten a person seeking advice. I've said it once, I'll say it again - if someone posts a helpful hint that is related to the topic at hand, where's the harm?
However, I am SERIOUS about a new title. With Wax and Polish in it, so newbies have a clue. The current title sound more like a car tale written by Mr. Zaino!
Actually - it seems that anyone can start a new topic, with any name they want, right? So - if the hosts don't want to change the title again, we can start a new topic and continue over there, yes? How about -
- Zaino - better than wax?
- Why I like Zaino better than ordinary waxes.
- Zaino - The ultimate car wax or polish?
- Why I stopped waxing my car and switched to Zaino polish.
- Zaino - the best car "wax" or polish I have ever found.
Other suggestions?
I am NOT trying to start a war, but I can't stand it that a few stuck-in-the-past crybabies are being allowed to prevent countless newcomers from even knowing about an alternative.
<< There is a topic on waxes that is mostly
discussions about products, like Zaino, that
require many hours of works and several costs,
with waits between each coat. I am sure that those kind of waxes have their place, but not everyone is a detailer.
I, like the most of car owners, have other
interests and demands on my time. I do want my
car to look nice and be protected, but realistically can only get around to waxing once every six months, or even once a year. And I need a wax that can be easily applied and removed. >>
I know that when I first started reading about Zaino, some of the "fanatics" spoke of multiple coats, etc. in order to get the deepest shine. That could have turned a few people off, as it did this gentleman, by making it seem like Zaino was a lot of work to put on.
I did the multiple coats on my white car, and it does look good. But I also did another car with just one coat. I did it over 5 months ago, and I did it in about an hour. It's still beading and shining like new. I think some folks got "scared" away because of the talk of claying, multiple coats, etc. to get the best results. IMHO, if you only want to spend an hour and get long lasting shine and protection, the Z is the way to go.
So, for the newbies (and those who are looking for a quick, long lasting wax) who are wondering, it ISN'T necessary to put multiple coats on, and it ISN'T necessary to clay the car. A little goes a long way, and it is very easy to apply and remove. Some of us really are fanatics, and it's true that the more coats, the deeper your shine, but if you want a shine that's "just as good" as Mothers or Meguires, but that will last longer, then you really should give Zaino a try.
I agree "wax" needs to be in the title of this topic - automophile, perhaps you recall that is exactly what I suggested - or at least SOMETHING needs to be done to enable someone who knows nothing about Zaino to associate this topic with waxes, polishes, polymers whatever.
We'll work it out as soon as we can.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Pat
Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference