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When it came time to make the FWD transaxle more robust for fitting into the upcoming RX300 something had to "give", GO.....
So the ATF pressure holding/sustaining accumulator was abandoned.
By the time the '01 RX300 model year rolled around Toyota had realized their mistake and converted the series to a high(er) volume ATF pump to make up, at least partially, the difference.
Than, as one would expect, the ATF began to be overheated and burned within just 40,000 miles.
Now what..??
Well, back to the low volume ATF pump but adopt DBW to prevent instances of a QUICK shift when these is insufficient ATF pressure to provide the shift capability.
But. Someone forgot to tell the drivers that they should NEVER get themselves in situations wherein the DBW solution did not suffice.
It appears that the very best solution might be to have a variable displacement ATF pump so that HIGH volumes can be pumped even with low engine RPM but still stick with low displacement with engine RPMs in the higher ranges.
At least that's the solution Ford came to.
If he owes more on his vehicle, than the vehicle is worth...he is 'upside down' with the car. In order to trade it in, he has to pay off the difference. Sounds like he rolled this negative equity on the first vehicle, with the new vehicle, into a larger loan.
Thank you
I first noticed this problem on ours, when my daughter was driving, as she is a lot lighter on the gas that I. She just normally uses '4' around the city, and then if she gets on the interstate moves it to 'D'. Works fine for me in D, but I'm winding out the gears further.
You may also try to change where you get fuel, to see if that makes any difference.
I'm thinking about taking it in, but I've never had any luck with a Toyota dealership actually helping me. It seems they all say same thing, "it's suppose to do that." Go figure.
I filed a request for arbitration under the Ct. Lemon Laws. During June 2008 Toyota
complied with the Arbitrators ruling and refunded my full purchase price.
Appealing to a higher authority does have merit.
It is, however, a shame that Toyota forced me to obtain a legal solution and that does NOT help to enhance their reputation for quality, reliability or service.
Buyers Beware!!
A reliable witness that can verify your problem might help, one that has driven your vehicle and can express the problem encountered.
Im my opinion it is worth the effort. Hope this helps. DEC
takes all the statements etc and has 10 working days to render a
verdict. If granted, Toyota has 30 days to reply. Hope tis helps.
dec
I also contacted Toyota in Torrance, CA and they called me and told me to send the arbitration form that was in my owners manual to the address in Mount Clemens, MI. I sent all documents to them and one of their reps call me a couple of days ago and asked if I wanted an oral hearing or just send in paperwork, I opted also for the oral hearing. She said that they would call me back within a week or so and give me my appt date and time with the arbitrator. But, I didn't get a checklist like you. How do I get ahold of the "Toyota Field Specialist" in Oklahoma (where I am)? I took it to the dealership(s) a total of 3 times/5 days. The only thing they did was I took them for a test drive, they did feel/hear the vibration. They contacted Toyota, who said they couldn't do anything. I then took it to another dealership locally and they reset the memory, which didn't work. I took the back the next day, they kept it for 2 days and then also told me it was "normal". Do those count as "failed attempts", they told me it was a "normal characteristic" for these cars?? When do I pay the filiing fee and how much is it? I wasn't sure if I could use a lawyer or if I should just bring my husband and his best friend who would be my witnesses. I also didn't get anything notarized. ~~~Dezra
Why did you want a refund instead of a replacement? See my deal is, I traded in an 2006 Mustang for this Camry so I am upside down on it. Do you know how that would factor in on the refund? I need you to help me get all my ducks in a row so that I can win this case...I would like them to give me a Camry that does not vibrate, which apparently isn't a 4cyl LE, would they do a 6cyl or something or do you have a clue? I am sorry, I don't mean to be a pest but nobody seems to know how this process is and I am so furious that Toyota is saying its "normal" when it isn't! ~~~Dezra
Keep in mind that in many of these "cases" the dealer service manager will often have been instructed in advance to keep the "question/problem" verbal, NO written record. I have even had instances wherein the service writer had obviously been given a "heads-up" and rather than continuing the service write-up handed me off to the service manager.
I even had one case, Porsche, wherein upon this hand off to the service manager the service manager actually ripped up, destroyed, the write up that had already been completed after telling me "that's the way it was designed".
He told me that Toyota has issued a fix for "Shuddering at 56-72km/h (35-45mph)"
It involves re-programming the ECU, and he says it will take less than 1 hour to fix.
LET'S ALL HOPE THIS IS THE SOLUTION WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!!!!
I took my Camry to 2 dealers ships, one reset the ECU which did not take very long but on the way home, it started the vibrations again and has been doing it since. Sorry to tell you, but it will not help. I am taking mine to an arbitration hearing at the dealership July 9th. Maybe you should file for arbitration and see what it can do for you. Toyota knows what is happenening with these cars, they just don't want to deal with it and take the time and money to recall these transmissions! Good luck!
Did you have your ECU reprogrammed? or reset? I was told that they have a "new" program for the ECU and that it has only been available for a week or two now. When did you have yours done?
I'm not trying to discourage you from filing for arbitration, I would have done the same months ago, if that legal route was available in my area.
The ECU was "reset" back on April 29th. That was the only choice they gave me. I took it back the next day and that is when the dealership called Toyota themselves and they said that it was normal and that there were "no fixes". I then filed for arbitration a month or so ago, so I am definately preceding with that. It is legal in Oklahoma (where I am from). I will let you know what happens after my hearing. All I have been told from day 1 was that there was "no fix" and that it was a "normal characteristic" for my car. Sorry but I don't by that, any vibration is NOT normal, especially on a brand new 2008 Toyota Camry and they are telling me it is. Please let me know if the "reprogramming" of the memory works for you. So your state does not have a Lemon Law?? I have had my car in the shop and even took it to a transmission shop 3 times for a total of 5 or 6 days. The transmission shop said that there was something wrong with the converter and it was not normal. Good luck!
It is even possible, quite concievable, that the service technician used the term "reset" when really meaning "reflash".
Do you have an '08 4cyl. Camry that successfully had the ECU re-programmed? I've not had mine done yet, so I'm still skeptical.
dezral:
I don't blame you one bit for proceeding with arbitration, Toyota OWES you a full refund on your car, in my opinion! Good luck.
In summary, check the other website, and get the TSB done - you'll like the results.
When a reflash is done, or a simple reset, the engine/transaxle ECU's factory default parameters are loaded instead of the myriad of parameters your car has adjusted, been continuously adjusting via the "learning" process, since it first rolled off the factory floor.
And forget, PLEASE, the old wives tale about the car learning YOUR specific driving techniques. Yes, it does learn and adapt to a few driver "habits" but it ERASES those each time the engine is restarted.
But, for the first 500 miles or so after a reflash or ECU reset it will be restoring many control parameters as it learns the tolerances and recalibrates the systems accordingly.
So, did the reflash work...!!
You'll only really know after about 500 miles of driving.
But my answer to that question is no, a resounding NO...!!
Otherwise why would many '08 & '09 Toyota and Lexus FWD and F/AWD vehicles have a NCF, New Car Feature, that reacts to the lifting of the gas pedal in different ways depending on the RATE at which the gas pedal pressure is removed..??
All in an effort to avoid, more often avoid, two gear changes in quick sequence.
Now YOU get to learn how to manage the gas pedal release rate in order to avoid, mostly avoid, the 1-2 second transaxle downshift delay/hesitation.
Did you have yourECU reprogrammed with this new update? The Toyota dealership that I have my arbitration hearing through called me today and told me about it. I was wondering if it worked for you or anybody else. I am not sure if I go ahead and have them reprogram this if it will hurt my arbitration process, it is July 9th. They said it was no guarantee. Please let me know!
Please read my new reply post. You seem knowledgable, this poor lady needs your help!
I had mine re-programmed yesterday. I've tried driving in "D" at 40 MPH, just like I described in my first post; I have been unable to get the vibration to happen.
I'm very pleased that the ECU reprogramming has worked for me, but please keep in mind that I have only driven 60 miles since the reprogramming so far.
............. so far it seems to work!!
I am so glad to hear that. But, I am afraid that if I go have it reprogrammed and then it comes to my date for arbitration it will not do it because of the reprogramming and then after my chance for arbitration has passed it will start doing it again. I don't know what to do. I guess I should call the NCDS and ask some questions.
Over at Toyotanation.com, everyone has great results after getting the TSB done.
I had the first TSB done to my Camry in April or May, it was the only one they had availiable at the time. I wasn't sure what makes this new one they have out different from the first one. I had found the TSB on the internet and took it to them (the dealership) and they said they knew about it. On my way home, my car started vibrating again. So that is why I am leary about this one. Since I am pursuing arbitration, I was not sure how to go about it. My arbitration hearing is next Wed (the 9th), so if I do the TSB and it starts vibrating in a week or longer, I am not sure if I will still be able to pursue arbitration again or not.
symptom:
when car is cooling down (means when just start running in the morning or after car rest for few hours and start), it does not have problem described below
It happened when the car is getting warm up (after driving for around half an hour), when I stop the car at the traffic light or stop sign then try to go forward, it always hesitate to start, feel a stuck, has to press pedal hard, feeling like trying to separate two magnet
There is one time, i stop at a right turn corner, my steering wheel is at right turn position, then press pedal, the pedal completely stuck, which means i can not give gas, however, the car can move a little bit, i pull it over the side and stop engine restart car, then it can move again.
if i do not press break, the stuck feel never comes, it only comes after press break.
it bothers me a lot every day, i tried a mechanic, he open the front lid and put some oil at one place and said it fixed, but it does not at all
if any one experience same problem, please kindly help. Thanks in advance
I went through a buyback on a GM car in 1999 with a 1998 Olds Intrigue that had accumulated 26k miles..It had steering and brake issues, all fixed as necessary by the dealer and always furnished a loaner car. No lawyer was involved and correspondance was limited, however car was repurchased and cost me $826 to drive those 26k miles..I was issued a check from GM for the original purchase price less the mileage charge of 826.. I endorsed the check and handled it back to the dealer plus an another check to purchase another new 1999 Olds Intrigue..It had similiar problems but with less frequency, however I put a quick 75k miles on it and traded it in on a new 2002 Olds Intrigue..After 120k miles on it, it was traded on a 2006 Pontiac GPGT..
I imagine that GM in the current economic climate would be a little hestiate to do the deal again..Maybe not..
I did a similiar deal on a boat back in the late 70's. Wheras the manufacturer removed the engines from the original hull and installed them in a new hull..The new boat was sold immediately..It was a three yr deal of problems, however in the end it was a excellent outcome..
Have owned 43 cars in my advanced age and never owned an Asian car, 41 Big3 cars and 2 Porsches..I was leaning toward a Camry SE-V6, but too many problems..Don't need the grief...
Good Luck!!!