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Toyota Echo



  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    Yes I would say so. I would guess that the local dealer would ask $8k for that car. Any way to confirm the maintenance has been done? Buying from the origional owner?
  • rjgeerjgee Posts: 27
    The exhaust pipe on this car is 1 piece, which includes the catalytic converter. It goes all the way from the exhaust manifold to the muffler. When it starts to rust through, as mine just has, you're in for an expensive bill. The part itself is almost $900 from Toyota, and no aftermarket ones exist yet. (and yes, I've already tried a patch kit.)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    It this parts warrantied by TOYota for the life of the car including labor if it fails? (as the muffler is according to the owners manual) Why couldnt you get a specialty shop to make an exhaust pipe up with a generic converter? How many miles on the car BTW?
  • Got the echo [2000] I mentioned sveral posts ago and need to replace the spark plugs. No manuals were in the vehicle so is anyone out there with a manual for 2000-2002 that can give me the info for manually tightening spark plugs w/o a torque wrench i.e. 1/2 a turn of the plug after it contacts the cylinder head, etc. The vehicle was actually in PA and got it thru ebay- interior not so clean but the engine ran very well for the 900 plus mile trip!
    Thanks in advance,
    Don Gillespie
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    The service manual only specifies a torque of 13 ft lbs. It doesnt give a rotation spec. I would turn it about 1/4 turn after contact with old plugs and something more than 1/2 turn with new plugs. Actually I just go by feel. I would visually check the plug wells for debris before removing.
  • I am a new owner of an Echo(2005), but not a stranger to Toyotas. Can anyone tell me the best way to replace the engine air filter? I would also like to know if there is a specific socket for the spark plugs......thanks.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I have a 2001 which just requires you unclip the four clip and separate the two halves of the air filter box. You might remove the clamp and pull off the large hose (air intake) going into it.
    A standard 5/8 inch sparkplug socket will remove the plugs. Itll have to have a rubber insert to hold the plug. Incidently, if the insert fits the plug too tightly it can pull the socket off the six inch extension youll also need. (and leave the socket with the plug down in the engine) I spray the rubber insert with WD40 and test beforehand to make sure the plug will come out easily.
  • Thanks very much for the answer. Unfortunately the 2005 air filter box has 2 electrical clips , the air intake hose , and it appears that you must take all this stuff off as well as the intake hose . the box has 2 clips and a rear hinge. I think the 1.5 in my 2005 is a little different than the 2001. The other thing is that a standard 5/8 is too large to fit into the plug hole. I am used to the deep plug recess because my '95 Corolla is similar, but I think the Echo may have a special socket. Because its so new there is not a lot of info available yet.I guess I'll have to talk nicely to a Toyota mechanic.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    When you find out what the deal is with the plugs let us know!
  • We have 04 Echo 1.5 engine. I took out spark plugs to check them & regap. I do not remember witch spark plug socket I used. But I only have the two standard spark plug sockets in my tool box. Remember to use anti seize when replacing the plugs. If you ever want to take them back out.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    just bought an '02 4-door, manual shift, 60K miles. Have been driving it around for a few days, really like it so far. My question is this: so far I have done 345 miles on this tank of gas, the fuel gauge is still only just below the 1/4 line. How much gas is left when the needle gets down to 'E'? I am hoping I might be getting 40 mpg, but of course I won't know until I fill it up. My experience with Toyotas has been that they always have a couple of gallons left in the tank when the needle gets to 'E'.

    Also, does this car have a low-fuel warning light?

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    There is a fuel pump icon that blinks. But that wont happen until your fuel gauge is much lower than 1/4 tank. It looks to me you ARE on track for 40 mpg, perhaps more. When that needle gets close to E the fuel pump icon will blink and you WILL NOT have a few gallons of gas left. ;)
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    well, the gas near me has gone up $0.30/gallon in the last 10 days, including a nickel since yesterday, so I figured I wouldn't wait, and just filled it up.

    I ended up with 38 mpg on the first tank, using 9 1/2 gallons of gas. Obviously, this is preliminary, and I will be averaging in the future. But 38 seems pretty good for all in-town, suburban driving, even if I WAS hoping for 40. I will try harder with the next tank. :-)

    Love this car so far, it is so minimalist! I know it has a lot of hard plastic inside, but they got all the important stuff right - the HVAC and wiper/turn signal controls all move smoothly just as they should in a Toyota, the door handles feel solid and move fluidly when you use them, it has great stereo speakers (6x9 on the back deck, yes!) that really perform if you stick in a decent high-powered stereo, and it rides over bad pavement without tossing you around or jarring everyone and spilling your coffee. It gets up and goes, and it stops quickly.

    And I think I can get 40 mpg in my daily driving if I try hard enough! All that, plus comfy front seats that also give rear seat riders plenty of foot room underneath, just the right ride height (it's small, but the roof is high enough that those monster SUVs can still see you), and strong A/C.

    I am waiting to see the Yaris in person to decide if I lost out by not waiting, but from everything I have read, there won't be a lot of tangible advantages to the Yaris over the Echo, except better looks and maybe a sprinkling of nicer interior materials.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    It is also colder now so that will drop your mileage some. Im getting 36-38 now in the winter with all local driving. I do 40-42 in the summer.
    The Yaris is also heavier by several hundred pounds so it wont accelerate or get as good mpg as the ECHO. I could wish my ECHO was a hatchbac though.
  • reba05reba05 Posts: 36
    I can get about 400-440 miles per tank. The low fuel light will blink when it is down to 2 gallons and I usually don't push the limit, I will fill it up at that point just in case.
  • I bit the bullet and figured out the spark plug change on the Echo. A 5/8 slim plug socket and a 6-8inch extension. First you remove the VVT-i plastic cover(10mm cap screws) and then you remove the 10mm bolt from the small coil on top of the plug lead.Then pull the coil,lead and all out of the plug hole,in one piece. Hook your extension to the rachet and 5/8 socket,drop it over the plug,and crank them out. Its a good idea to put a couple of strips of electrical tape inside the socket, to keep the plug from falling out. The plug hole is deep. I kept a telescoping magnet handy, in case I had to go plug fishing...Good Luck.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    I am shooting for a full 400 miles on this tank before I fill up. :-)

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • We have 04 Echo 5 speed. With help from cruise & K & N air filter. We get 36 to 38 mpg. in town. But then on the hwy. We get up to 57 mpg. at 55 mph. At 75 mph. freeway speed we get 45 mpg. all the time. The K & N air fiter makes a big differance in accellration to.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    just did a short tank, because I was gong past the gas station and wanted to check the oil (seems to not be consuming any at all, which I am thrilled about!). Anyway, 4.3 gallons for 169 miles, is 39 mpg right on the nose. obviously, with this small a fill-up there is lots of room for error, but I think I should be able to do 40 regularly once I get a proper running average going here.

    No oil consumption at 60K miles, great stereo (Pioneer), comfy seats, strong A/C, and 40 to the gallon. So far I am very pleased with this car, it is performing exactly as I had hoped. :-)

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    how can you tell you have a strong air conditioner this time of year? i don't think the fan speed is a gauge. you'll have to wait for the hot an muggy days to see how strong the air conditioner is.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    in LA - it was 85 degrees! Love SoCal - NOT. But it was proof the Echo's A/C will be up to the task, I think.

    Oh, and in NorCal we really never get muggy days, although where I am we get plenty of 90-degree days in the late summer.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    Filtration efficiency of stock airfilter 99%
    Filtration effienceny of KN airfilter 95%

    By installing a KN airfilter you have just increased the ammount of dirt entering your engine by 400%.

    Still want KN airfilter?
  • Just wondered how you get 400% increase in intake dirt?
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    just bad arithmatic... it's 4%
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    If 100 grams of dirt hits the stock Toyota filter, being 99% efficient it will pass 1 gram of dirt.
    If 100 grams of dirt hits the KN airfilter, being 95% efficient it will pass 5 grams of dirt.
    Toyota airfilter 1 gram of dirt.
    KN airfilter 5 grams of dirt.

    Net gain: 4 grams of dirt. I guess you could look at it like its a 500% percent increase.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I'm thinkin' we're really back to 400%. 2 grams would be a 100% increase over 1, 3 would be a 200% increase over 1, 4 would be a 300% increase and 5 would be 400% like you said in the first place. No?

    Mmm, high-level math - :sick:
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    you're basing your figures on arbitrary numbers.
    the only thing you know is that one filter removes 95% out of 100% and the other filter removes 99% out of 100%.
    if 100 particals try to get through one filter and 95 are stopped, you stopped 95%
    if 100 particals try to get through the other filter and 99 are stopped you have 99%.
    to be technical, one filter allows 4.21% more particals through than the other.
    this is an interesting exercise, but the point made by kneisl is correct... why allow more dirt through the filter than is necessary
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    The reason I mention it is I used to rebuild VW engines. Those engines had oil bath air filters widely recognized as having an efficiency of 95%. Many people I did work for lived on dirt roads and didnt serive their airfilters like they should have. I didnt see any problem with VWs driven on pavement, but I did when they were diven in dusty conditions.
  • I am sure glad I asked the % question. The interaction is terrific.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    weighs 300 pounds MORE than Echo, with exactly the same engine and pretty much the same price. Except A/C is standard now.

    Which is not to say I might not buy one in a few years! :-)

    Anyone here put on tires wider than the stock 175s? Just wondering if it knocks the fuel economy way down, or just a little. If so, what size tires did you get?

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

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