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Nothing can substitute for drivers skill in driving in the snow. The thing that I find is that SUVs embolden below average drivers and around here they are actually the cause of most accidents in the inclement weather. During real snow storms, the sides of sweeping on/off ramps are littered with SUVs that have lost control and gone off the road.
We have a 2001 E320 4Matic and a Subaru Legacy sedan and have absolutely no desire for an SUV.
Regards,
BigRob.
Jean
TIA
Regards,
BigRob.
I've set up a test drive for tomorrow afternoon. The salesperson should have the correct info. I'll pass along what I find out if I get no responses today.
Good catch,
-Jay
There's no 4WD option or model on the MBUSA web site, and I seem to recall discussions here that the 4WD model won't be hitting these shores until sometime next year.
---joe
Does anyone know what to expect the Dealer Prep charges to be?
With only about $5,000 profit on the cars, I know they must be living hand-to-mouth and need the extra dough!
When I bought my new E back in February, there was NO "Dealer Prep" charge added. The only things on the the invoice were the car itself, taxes, and registration fees.
Considering that the first 4 years of regular service is included in the cost of the car, I'd be surprised if a dealer had the nerve to charge a prep fee...
---joe
I asked it since the Mercedes web site for the new E Class has the big fine print paragraph besides their prices that says "dealer prep is not included in the MSRP".
Go look.
So I wondered if the dealers were going to try to push a prep charge on top the 50K plus these things cost!
Be glad you didn't buy an Infinity which suffers even more 1st year depreciation do to market values.
Enjoy your E430. It's a great car. Why are you looking to get rid of it?
Your dealer will give you 39K on the trade and have your car back on the lot in the mid-40's the following day.
They love this. Sell you the car, make 6.5K. You trade it in a year later because you want a a slightly smaller motor? They get to make another 5K.
Sounds like buy high, sell low to me.
"Check Engine Electronics Warning Message"
could be caused by?
I have a 98 E320 with 28000 miles, just took ownership 1 month ago, I have been trying to find out what the error could be.
Checked that the gas cap is on tight, the car did say 25 days to service, then this "check..." message appears each time the car is started. Thanks for your help - howieb@hotmail.com
Any one know anything about the new system. No information that I can find.
I need the system due to business and will buy an 03 if it is any good.
BTW, I'm aware that Edmunds has always knocked COMAND, but I got it in my 2000 E-320 and haven't regretted it. It did NOT come with a set of back-up paper maps and really isn't that difficult to use. In many instances it's saved my fanny or at least prevented me from becoming "momentarily disoriented." If I had to make the decision again, it would be the same.
That said, the CD system should be a tremendous improvement.
Also, I notice that the Electronic Trunk will be delayed, too. Neither Command nor Electronic Trunk are currently offered as options on the MBUSA website because of their delay.
I just can't figure why it would take this long to come up with these items. These things should be easy compared to the rest of the technology in the E-class.
I've driven the E500. It's nice. But, the E500 at 302hp will almost feel like a Yugo compared to the E55.
---joe
http://www.hktrafficpro.com/trafficpro_ad.html
The HK unit looks a lot like a regular AMFM/CD player with a NAV mode. It's designed to retrofit into the existing player hole.
If you look at the new MB E dash where the CD is, the HK Traffic Pro could go there.
From reviewing their site the HK unit has a very small screen display and relies on voice output to give the driver instructions.
It didn't say anything about voice input.
I am not sure that I think it will be worth $2200 to get technology from Europe that Lexus and Acura had 5 years ago.
Maybe MB has something else planned??? Anyone know?
http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/pc/pc_range/e_class/features/feature_page2_scroll.asp?sec=telematics&pageName=comand#
http://www.harman.com/pr/index.jsp?articleId=127
It talks about the new S-Class system Harman is designing, but the details are similar enough to how MB describes the E-Class system that I'm wondering if MB decided to use the same system (or a stripped-down version) in the E-Class, rather than the off-the-shelf HK system?
Be interesting to get a definitive answer...
---joe
MB has apparently agreed to settle a suit about oil change errors by expanding all warranties on 98-00 vehicles from the original 5yr/50k mile to 10yr/100k miles, plus issue a service credit for $35.
Fabulous if true.
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all...ll=all-news-hed
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all...ll=all-news-hed
I poked around on that site and found this piece on a proposed settlement of a suit:
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_3mercedesaug30.story
If that's not the right article, maybe rbrenton88 will try again. The link that doesn't work ends differently than this one, but the story seems to be the one you folks were talking about.
'00 E430 Sport yesterday. The product made by 3M is a clear, porous material that protects the front hood and bumper from paint chips and bugs.
I recommend this product www.invinca-shield.com
or www.stoneguard.com for all M-B drivers who frequent our over- crowded highways. A large SUV or 18 wheeler can really throw off some small stones or gritty sand which will damage your paint.
I prefer the stoneguard product but could not find an installer in the Orlando area. So, I went with Invincaman (Lake Mary) who came to my home and installed the product. Too bad I didn't put this stuff on two years ago when my paint was perfect. The Invinca-shield web page has a list of installers in your area.
I have been a regular on this forum for the past 2.5 years and have never seen a post on this subject before. I read about this stuff on a BMW forum and these guys won't drive their BMW off the lot without it. Those of you with Sport Packages who get the invinca-shield product may need to order the AMG version. My installer has to return next week because he ordered the regular E stuff which does not fit the airdam.
If I had an '02 or '03 E Class (especially an '03 AMG E55 at $80,000 plus) I would not leave the dealership without this product.
I can't believe that they'd cover bumper to bumper. That would be too good to be true. Most likely only oil-related engine parts.
But I remain optimistic.
Personally, I think it would be a mistake to buy the 2002. First, the two models look very similar, and the handling and ride comfort are also probably very similar. But consider the advances offered by the newer, significantly changed (improved) 2003 model. I can't even begin to list all of them, but a few are significant, including the high tech braking system, upgraded suspension, greater body stiffness ("tighter" body and frame), etc.
Suggest that you carefully compare the two models and note the new features and changes offered by the 2003. Then make your decision.
The 02's also more mature from a quality point of view than the 03's are likely to be. Per the JDPower Initial Quality surveys, Mercedes of late has taken a while to get their "improvements" sorted out.
I don't know where you are from, but Herb Chambers in Boston as 17 E-02's on their lot per their inventory and I think Edmund's incentive page is showing that MBUSA is offering support to move them.
So you won't have to pay MSRP. In fact you ought to be able to negotiate a pretty good deal on one.
Keep looking and good luck.