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Does anyone remember the Magnavox Vibrasonic that we would install on the rear speaker to provide a delay. It sounded like you were in a cave. oh well, enough reminiscing.
It's a miracle your car didn't blow up.
His comment? " Well, as I see things, toilet paper was designed for one thing...and it aint filtering oil!"
And it was Motorola who built the vibrasonic units. I had several of them and thought the sound was pretty cool.
The car manufactures called them their own names. GM called it Reverb. Ford called it Studio-Sonic sound. VERY rare option in a Ford product. Never saw one in a Mopar.
The Motorola units were 39.95 and they would charge around 10-15 dollars to install them.
I wouldn't consider these a gimmick. They sounded good at the time.
Just change the paper once a month or something.
And, on some cars they DID drop the oil pressure.
But as the sole filter in a modern engine, I would never use a TP filter or recommend it. Modern filtration is extremely good and unlike TP filters, would allow huge amounts of oil/air/atf fluids through, no problem. I wish I could put my finger on how tp filters can decrease torque but I simply cannot find it at this time. I will keep looking. But this is why, I think, they work best in bulk filters in bypass situations.
If I had a bypass system on a fishing trawler I might use a bulk TP filter as a backup....but no way I'd put one on my car's $5,000 engine thank you.
I'm not badmouthing the filter PER SE, just saying it's not good a good idea to use as a single filter medium in a modern passenger car gas engine.
Barry
I clearly remember him saying that you NEVER had to change your oil or the regular filter, just the toilet paper. " Oil never wears out, etc.."
I think this is where people got into trouble.
They made me an instant celebrity at the local drive-through.
By-pass oil filters, in addition to regular full flow filters, are a good idea---many heavy duty trucks and off-highway machinery are so equipped from the factory. However, they use the very special filter medias that have been developed over the years for the express purpose of filtering oil. Toilet paper has also been developed for a very specific use and that's what it should be used for!!
I can't help but wonder if the people who risk expensive engine repair by using toilet paper for oil filters also save a few pennies by using yesterday's newspaper to wipe their rears!!
Didn't Frantz go out of business years ago?
He said that Mopar blocks have too much nickel (nickle? sp?) in the iron, which will cause the cooling passages to rust more quickly.
Will this really help anything, or will it cause any harm? Or will it just do nothing at all?
-Andre
There are also cooling system filters by the way. Heavy trucks often use them.
-Andre
Imagine that!
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This works for platinum injection or even for putting premium gas in a low compression engine.
You could also order them from JC Whitney well into the 70's.
Our 66 Mecury Montclair had the reverb radio and the sound on that AM radio seemed impressive.Two additional speakers in the rear package shelf and you could adjust how much sound went where. It always impressed my friends when I drove us to school[as did the delay windshield wipers...not a gimmick].
Andre: I saw a slant6 performing this no oil stunt at the Rosebowl Swap Meet
a few years ago. Can't remember the product now, but who can forget that engine!!!??
Old man Frantz became inactive other than to sell cartons of treated cartridges and eventually died. Having sold the aircraft, I never paid attention to whether there is still a supply somewhere to obtain. I know that engine is still running strong, many hundreds of hours after its normal time before overhaul.
I'm sure they also sold private branded "filters" too.
it just seems that if these filters were so great tehy would still be in production today.
Toilet paper filters, as most people that like to disparage this type of by-pass filtration like to call them, have been around for years and years.
The logic to low micron count by-pass filtration is only common sense and physics.
I would venture to guess that most of the negative responses to by-pass filtration systems come from people that have no firsthand experience with them!!!
As a mechanic that has had considerable experience in the use and installation of by-pass filters I can only say that they do work.
Some better than others and if used in an appropriate application, e.g. large oil sump capacity and high mileage, they can save fleets a lot of time and money. Engine wear on engines using these types of filters is considerably less than those using only conventional full-flow filters.
Anyone that is seriously considering using by-pass filtration should weigh the cost of the installation of the system to the cost of normal oil change intervals not using the systems. A thorough cost benefit analysis needs to be done.
Again the main advantage is to major fleet operations or truck brokers. Some fleet customers that I come in contact with are running systems made by Puradyne I believe from Florida and do 100,000 mile oil changes and by-pass filter cartridges on normal intervals. This can result in increadable saving for large operations and in addition to reducing oil use provides cleaner and less internal wear on engines. Just imagine filtering engine oil to hydraulic oil standards!
By-pass systems are also offered by companies such as Amsoil, TripleRRR filters, and Kleenoil. These systems are also great for antique engines that had no filtration systems originally provided, such as flathead fords and older chevies. Anyone remember the tin can mounted to the intake manifold on BlueFlame Chevrolets? This was by-pass filtration.
I recall one being water jacket with the fuel line running through it. The water jacket was connected to one of the heater hoses. it was supposed to "expand" the gasoline for better mileage. I never tried it but I would think it would cause vapor lock in hot weather.
The other I remember is the "catalyst" in the intake. It went under the carb and looked like a piece of window screen.
Worth talking about though, if someone has done more research on it.
Mixing alcohol with the water was supposed to be the hot set-up. I think there's something to it, especially if you're trying to run a carboned-up high compression musclecar on 91 octane. More appealing than retarding the timing.
The idea is that it prevents combustion from happening too quickly. Instead of a quick uncontrolled bang you get a flame front that moves from the plug outward the way the guy who designed the combustion chamber intended. Something like that...