I'm not a fan of Mustangs or Camaros, but the WRX is no match. People forget that to get these things to do a 14.7 second quarter mile, you have to risk breaking it. Meanwhile, you can hammer rear drive V-8's all day long. Pretty much every review of the Z-28 raves about it's handling abilities as well ( better skidpad numbers than the WRX).
I never claimed that the WRX was faster than a Z28, but really they aren't too desirable. Lets hear it for ancient design! Wonder why they are pulling the plug on it after this year.
The GT would have trouble light to light due to wheelspin, and I'm sorry but unless you get special 'performance packages' (i thought it was stupposed to be a performance car?) the handling isn't there.
Yep, gotta love a car that still uses a solid rear axle in 2002.
Yes you can can very easily drop a supercharger into a mustang and get some really good speed, but it's still not as balanced a car as a WRX. I'm sorry, in overall performance it wins hands down.
The WRX is not a muscle car like a camaro and mustang, it's a performance car. Skidpad and 1/4 mile times do nothing to illustrate overall performance. A good skidpad rating doesn't mean the car can transistion well or has good balance. If you were to take these cars down a twisty country road, the WRX would leave them behind, no question.
The only think i see when I look at mustangs and camaros are bland styling, horrible interiors, and technology that couldn't be bothered to join the present day (i'm not talking about the engine, i'm talking about body and suspension).
Anybody can go fast in a straight line. There aren't many that have the balance to keep the performance once you get off the racetrack or dragstrip (i.e. real life).
Synthetic oil is not strictly necessary. But it provides added protection for "extreme" driving conditions (e.g. lots of short trips, better startup flow for freezing temperatures). If you switch to synthetic, it is wiser to wait until after 10000 miles to allow the seals to fully seat. Synthetic can withstand longer oil change intervals also. I'm going with Mobil 1 5W30 which is one of the better synthetics.
I get what you're saying about the WRX being "different" in very satisfying ways (technologically advanced, nice styling, AWD) but I simply can't agree thats it superior. Too much of a blanket statement.
In the real world, sure there are going to be conditions where the WRX is going to have some advantages over a RWD car like the Mustang or Camaro. Like in the rain, or over incredibly bumpy pavement, or on a dirt road. But having owned a 5.0 Mustang AND the WRX, I can tell you which one I would chose to win a race, and I wouldnt chose the WRX unless it was in one of those 3 conditions.
I have raced a Camaro (regular Z28, not even the SS) and had a very hard time keeping up on a twisty road. That is some real-world testimony that those cars kick [non-permissible content removed]. I personally think the guy wasnt driving his Camaro as hard as I was driving the WRX. I had to late apex, and drift the corners to keep with him.
If you want to see some pics of the road I was on, go here;
"Quarter mile time and skidpad numbers don't have anything to do with overall performance?" I don't see where ANYONE has said this. As I said and Bull3964 indicated skidpad numbers have little to do with HANDLING - balance and transitions are much more important than steady state grip to real world HANDLING. No one argued that 1/4 mile times have nothing to do with overall performance, rather, it was argued that there is MORE to performance than JUST 0-60, 1/4 times!
"Skidpad and 1/4 mile times do nothing to illustrate overall performance."
However, this is hardly a defensible position. The best performing cars will tend to have high levels of grip and/or be fast in the quarter. Thats just a no-brainer.
Saying that handling is all about one measurement is of course, not a true statement either.
But to put down a Mustang or a Camaro for its handling capabilities...well that just seems like it would have to come from someone who is unfamiliar with the car, and who has an ill-informed bias against it. To paint them as quarter milers with poor handling is an inaccurate description at best.
Take a Z28 and a Mustang and a WRX to any racetrack and this will be the finishing order:
1. Z28 2. Mustang GT 3. WRX
Sorry, but thats just reality. I love my WRX as much as the next WRX owner does, but its not the only fast, good-handling car out there.
I wonder how they would stack up on a 1/8 or 1/4 mile dirt oval????? I would think the WRX would kick [non-permissible content removed] in the "Bomber" class, but I'm not sure about the "Sportsman" class or above. What are your thoughts on this?
I'm probably biased because of where i live. I basically live in the area that the WRX was made for. State roads that are falling apart, and have many decreasing radius turns, very steep hills, and narrow lanes. These type of roads are what 99% of my driving is done on. They are also the type of roads that cause a RWD car without IRS to loose control if they go too hot in or out of a turn. One nice bump and your drive wheels loose traction with the road surface and you are fighting for control.
That's not to say that they wouldn't perform better than the majority of the cars that are on the roads, just that I would take my WRX in these conditions any day over these cars.
Take em out on a wet street or curvy mountain road in winter...
WRX = sitting sipping hot cocoa @ the lodge Vette = in a ditch awaiting a tow-truck Stang = sitting on the side of the road awaiting Ford's Road Side Assistance for tranny or other FORD engine failure if not that, then sitting next to the vette.
Also on just about any road that isn't a track-like surface the WRX will outlast the vette or stang, at the very least it will keep up with them if the vette/stang plans on staying on the road.
I recently sold my MKIV Toyota Supra (NA)and got a WRX. When it rained, the Supra stayed in the garage, very scary driving; the WRX doesn't even notice.
On dry ground, the Supra stayed flat as a board when hard cornering, but the WRX is way more fun, more manueverable, more responsive, feels much quicker through twisties.
BTW, it is amazing how much the boy racers are willing to pay for Supras. Thank you "Fast and Furious".
Okay, sorry for the OT but sunday, of all days, I drove from portland to seattle. I make this drive every month. For those on the wrong coast, it snowed here saturday.
They gravelled the roads. My poor WRX's front end got chewed up big time. I've never seen paint do this. It looks like I tore through a gnat swarm, but it's actually paint that's been chipped off the bumper.
On the plus side, the packed snow/ice didn't even cause a twitch in the car, even with stock tires.
Speaking of which... has anyone here switched to the Dunlop SP5000s? I have heard good things about them.
Oh, and hi. This is my second post, although I've been reading for a couple months.
I don't own a WRX (yet) but I've seen many posts here recommending this treatment. It consists of thin-yet-tough clear laminate that is applied to the frontal surfaces, thereby stopping stones before they touch the paint.
I'm not sure how it's applied (I think it's one of those things best done by an installer) but there appear to be a few different levels of coverage (from "just front bumper and hood edge" to "all surfaces visible from the front of the car")
I think you spelled it correctly. I know, I'm always checking myself when I spell it. :-)
Anyway, Stongard is the "deal". I plan on getting on my WRX in short order. I also noticed a lot more rock chips from the gravel (they call in sanding, LOL) that is used during the winter snow spells we have and in the mountains. I also was the unhappy recipient of another windshield crack due to this crap. Oh well, I already have to replace the windshield from an earlier event so...
I'm seeking advice from anyone with direct WRX experience. I was disappointed with the handling of the OEM RE92's and replaced them with Potenza 730's (17 inch). Handling is fabulous but these are very noisy tires - especially after a few hrs on the road!!
Is there a good compromise out there between road noise and performance that anyone has uncovered or am I asking to have my cake and eat it too?
Recently switched on both cars from the SP5000s. The Dunlops are good but Pilots are outstanding, much better than Tirerack's test suggests. Also very quiet. Going with 17" rims means more noise and less ride comfort, but if these Pilots do as well on 17" as 16", they might be well worth the steep price. I'm not even thinking about going to 17" since the WRX handles so well. Why mess up a good thing? I've found the perfect tire.
Just put on BF Goodrich gForce KDWS after only 2300 miles of RE92 detention. Much cheaper than Pilots. KDWS in 205/55 16" just as quiet as 92's but has increased grip when cornering without the squeal of the Potenzas. I was looking at the SP5000, AVS dB, RE950, KDW, and KDWS. My co-worker purchased the KDW last month for his WRX auto and loves them. I chose the KDWS because I wanted some snow traction insurance for when I go back East in the winter and the snow fall in New Mexico which shuts down my local mountain pass twice per season. The KDWS also has a 400 tread wear rating and doesn't follow the ruts in my local interstates like my buddy's KDW do. I would have chose the RE950 but my local tire shops won't put HR rubber on VR rated autos. My KDWS don't have a sexy tread pattern but it works for me. For the money they can't be beat. Plus they inspire more confidence in the twisties. About an additional 10mph's worth on the clover leafs. Now I feel like my WRX is complete instead of cheated by the tire fairy.
I like the looks of 17"wheel/tire on the WRX vs a 16". I also like the heavier steering and more direct feedback that a 17" combo offers. It is possible to find a quiet and smooth 17" tire, albeit it will probably still be a little noiser and more communicative than a 16". Additionally, since the WRX comes std w/a 17" wheel/tire in all other markets outside of N.America, this was a no-brainer for me. Well...not exactly, there's the task of finding the right 17"wheel and tire just as there is w/finding a great 16"tire and/or wheel. :-)
RE730's are known for their noisiness. I know of somebody who replaced a perfectly good set of RE730's because the noise was driving him crazy.
When I chose my tires, the most important thing was performance followed closely by noise level. My research concluded that Toyo T1-S tires and Dunlop SP9000's will offer better performance than the RE730's with less noise than the RE92's. Of course, these are more expensive than the RE730's but if you want your cake eaten, that's the price to pay. I'm definitely a Toyo believer as I have outfitted my Miata and WRX both with a new set of T1-S tires. And the other big benefit, the Toyo tires are lighter than average. Less weight -> better wheel control over bumps.
As far as 17 vs 16 inchers, I opted for 17's. Allows a wider tread tire, looks better, and more choice of nice lightweight wheels. I echo the sentiment that the WRX was *made* with the 17's in mind since that's the standard wheel size in many other markets outside of N.America.
Much appreciated, I'll give the 730's a bit more life - after I get through the noise, they are one hell of a tire. Had a rare encounter with a brand spankin new Audi S4 today right onto the on rampe and the highway - his tires were not stock but I think the engine was. He was tucked right behind me on the ramp and had a bit more pull past 90 mph.
He followed me off the expressway and fortunately we found ourselves a red light. Was the Car and Driver test bonafide (S4, vs WRX, vs 330i)? Is the WRX as fast to 60 mph as the S4? I got a good start at the light and a half car length lead with a good 1-2 shift at 6800.
By 55 mph, he was still the 1/2 car length behind.
CD was right on about the test results - granted I'm biased but the WRX is one heck of a performance bargain for the price!!!
Either the Dunlop SP5000's or Pilot Sport A/S will give you decent wet and dry traction with some usefulness on snow. Neither will work well if you have to drive regularly in deep snow though, but probably no worse than the stock RE92's. The SP5000's are cheaper (almost half) and that would be my choice (when is ANY Michelin Tire worth the big $$$$ they charge for them?)
I can attest to the value of the dunlops. I have them on my wrx and the difference over the stock re-92s is drastic. There is no loss in ride quality and th ecar handles much better.
regarding the S4's. A lot of people have said they are quicker, but I have never found that to be the case. If anything it is a pretty tight race most of the time, and often comes down to gear selection and shift timing. The S4 has so much torque down low, that launching it well is easy for even mediocre drivers, whereas getting a good launch in the WRX is often tricky for even a competent driver. Thats why you hear more "lost to an S4" stories than wins. Congrats on the win.
I have to agree with mike here. We just had another death just a few blocks from my home. 22 years old woman - third young woman to die this month in street racing. Tragic stupidity.
While Im not advocating that people street race, making sweeping generalizations about street racing doesnt serve much purpose. Obviously there are careless drivers everywhere. Under the right conditions, a street race might be less risky than the average commute. And other times, many times riskier.
a few things that increase risk:
intoxication young and/or ineperienced drivers crowded streets or bad road conditions poor judgement
Whereas I don't in any terms advocate street racing for street racing's sake or minimalize the disatrous outcomes of said recklessness, a blanket stmt does no good to me and bespeaks of generalized preachiness (is this a word...). I have been guilty (a word I use to promote the dialog) of an impromptu drag race here in there (read stoplight to stoplight). Do I think I'm a street racer and irresponsible...no, I do not. Those that think otherwise are certainly entitled to their opinion but methinks it may be a bit selfserving. Hey, I'm of Irish decent and welcome .... beg a heated debate! :-)
At the end of our big "street race" - (we did all of 20 mph over in a 40 mph zone - four lane roadway) the S4 owner gave me a big thumbs up - he was having as much fun as I was.
If you can't comment about "exercising your WRX" here - where can you you?
Let's all drive 90 hp cars and excorcize all our evil speed demons - wouldn't the world be boring!
Well it still doesn't prove an S4 beat you or you beat an S4. Since there are 100s of factors that can come into play, it's a meaningless win and dangerous. Only Loosers brag about winning street races. Race that S4 on the track and come back and tell us about that.
Check out a local drag strip. Usually you can even do some bracket racing on Saturday nights, win some money if you have good reaction times and can reliably predict your 1/4 mile times. You don't have to be the fastest, just the most consistent.
See if they have an import night. You'll even get a time slip to earn bragging rights, and you'll have a helmet plus all the safety equipment you'd ever need should something happen.
Capitol Raceway near DC charges just $20, and you can usually get at least 4-5 runs in a day. Plus, win two races and you make your money back. Win three or more and you actually start to earn money.
Which is good, because you'll need a new clutch after a few visits! :-)
"Well it still doesn't prove an S4 beat you or you beat an S4. Since there are 100s of factors that can come into play, it's a meaningless win and dangerous. Only Loosers brag about winning street races. Race that S4 on the track and come back and tell us about that."
What factors? The light turned red, they went, the WRX was ahead of the S4. What more do you want? You track enthusiast people need to relent a little bit. Last time I checked you dont need a million dollar liability policy to drive on the street. So which is more dangerous?
Perhaps the S4 driver saw an animal on the side of the road, perhaps there was a pedestrian, perhaps he got a phone call from his dieing mother, need I go on...
Not only is street racing illegal, it's quite dangerous, and yes it is far more dangerous than driving on a track. Period, end of story. The Track is a controlled environment with safety personel on hand in case of anything. Do all the street racing you want, just don't post about it and brag about [non-permissible content removed] like that.
We have had 7 deaths within a few kilometers of my home within the last 1 1/2 years including 3 young women racers and 2 pedestrians. Does this answer your question?
Street racing isn't the only type of street driving that can have dangerous consequences. Overdriving your vehicle's limits falls within that category as well. I don't necessarily mean what law enforcement calls "driving too fast for conditions" because a given vehicle (like the WRX) could be capable enough to handle conditions at higher speeds than others. Knowing the limits of tire adhesion and sidewall roll, body lean, oversteer/understeer tendencies at speed and in the wet, braking tendencies among other things - all of these are critical to a person's ability to drive their vehicle within and up to its limits safely and enjoyably.
Where can you do such things? Performance driving schools for one, preferably those that will let you use your own vehicle. The autocross crowd gets a good chance at that too. Some manufacturers will even let you do that if you pay enough for your vehicle (BMW's course in Spartanburg comes to mind). Unfortunately, most of us have that exposure limited to doing donuts in an empty mall parking lot during a snowstorm.
Shifting gears: I still have yet to drive a WRX, but was a passenger in one for the first time yesterday. That was not a good thing; I was afraid I'd like it too much and I did.
I guess there is a difference in opinion as to what "street racing" is. My comments are not meant to trivialize, minimalize, or generally ignore the tragedies of the street racing most have spoken about. I just hate broad, sweeping statements and (especially) a conversation ending "end of story" comment. You might as well taken it down to a level of a child running around with their hands over their ears saying "La, la, la, I can't hear you". :-(
There are no "good" opinions that could be given for street racing, it's freekin dangerous and to gorify it by posting about it only will prompt more people to street race.
My specific, original point was that I have beaten a person to a stoplight once or twice in my life. Does this make me a irresponsible "street racer". I don't think so...in fact, I know it doesn't. I think Ed's point about going too fast for conditions, knowing the limits of your vehicle (in everyday situations), etc are just as important. What's the difference between someone going significantly over a posted speed limit on a city street because they are late or not paying attention, trying to get that parking spot they just passed, etc and that have someone going over the speed limit by same amount to beat the guy at the next light. Answer...(possibly) neither, since a cop would probably give a wreckless driving ticket either way if the speeding was significant enough or road conditions were bad, etc. Both situations are not one's I'm promoting or advocating. I'm just trying to insert some perspective.
...and not about street racing. Jeesh. Everyone take a deep breath. I've never driven the car, but love it anyway and want one. My wife is actually the one who really wants it, having formerly owned small, fast yet somewhat practical cars (CRXsi and Integra). Then we started having kids and she's about had it with the Accord. My only concern is roominess -- how's the WRX for two small kids plus the usual groceries, weekend trips, etc.? Also, I'm on the tall side and can't remember the last car I drove where my right leg doesn't constantly bang against the center console. Thanks for your help and watch out for those S4s!
I think you're going to have to check it out for yourself. It is a bit on the small side. My choice would be the wagon, in that it is roomier, and more flexible in terms of passenger vs. cargo needs. It's probably about like an Integra, and certainly roomier than a CRX.
I second what Bob posted. The wagon is a little roomier overall than the sedan. Of course, the cargo area is a lot bigger than the sedan's. Basically, go try one on for size. :-)
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Ross
The GT would have trouble light to light due to wheelspin, and I'm sorry but unless you get special 'performance packages' (i thought it was stupposed to be a performance car?) the handling isn't there.
Yep, gotta love a car that still uses a solid rear axle in 2002.
Yes you can can very easily drop a supercharger into a mustang and get some really good speed, but it's still not as balanced a car as a WRX. I'm sorry, in overall performance it wins hands down.
The WRX is not a muscle car like a camaro and mustang, it's a performance car. Skidpad and 1/4 mile times do nothing to illustrate overall performance. A good skidpad rating doesn't mean the car can transistion well or has good balance. If you were to take these cars down a twisty country road, the WRX would leave them behind, no question.
The only think i see when I look at mustangs and camaros are bland styling, horrible interiors, and technology that couldn't be bothered to join the present day (i'm not talking about the engine, i'm talking about body and suspension).
Anybody can go fast in a straight line. There aren't many that have the balance to keep the performance once you get off the racetrack or dragstrip (i.e. real life).
I get what you're saying about the WRX being "different" in very satisfying ways (technologically advanced, nice styling, AWD) but I simply can't agree thats it superior. Too much of a blanket statement.
In the real world, sure there are going to be conditions where the WRX is going to have some advantages over a RWD car like the Mustang or Camaro. Like in the rain, or over incredibly bumpy pavement, or on a dirt road. But having owned a 5.0 Mustang AND the WRX, I can tell you which one I would chose to win a race, and I wouldnt chose the WRX unless it was in one of those 3 conditions.
I have raced a Camaro (regular Z28, not even the SS) and had a very hard time keeping up on a twisty road. That is some real-world testimony that those cars kick [non-permissible content removed]. I personally think the guy wasnt driving his Camaro as hard as I was driving the WRX. I had to late apex, and drift the corners to keep with him.
If you want to see some pics of the road I was on, go here;
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/rex_ruthor
Ross
However, this is hardly a defensible position. The best performing cars will tend to have high levels of grip and/or be fast in the quarter. Thats just a no-brainer.
Saying that handling is all about one measurement is of course, not a true statement either.
But to put down a Mustang or a Camaro for its handling capabilities...well that just seems like it would have to come from someone who is unfamiliar with the car, and who has an ill-informed bias against it. To paint them as quarter milers with poor handling is an inaccurate description at best.
Take a Z28 and a Mustang and a WRX to any racetrack and this will be the finishing order:
1. Z28
2. Mustang GT
3. WRX
Sorry, but thats just reality. I love my WRX as much as the next WRX owner does, but its not the only fast, good-handling car out there.
I would think the WRX would kick [non-permissible content removed] in the "Bomber" class, but I'm not sure about the "Sportsman" class or above. What are your thoughts on this?
Ken
I'm probably biased because of where i live. I basically live in the area that the WRX was made for. State roads that are falling apart, and have many decreasing radius turns, very steep hills, and narrow lanes. These type of roads are what 99% of my driving is done on. They are also the type of roads that cause a RWD car without IRS to loose control if they go too hot in or out of a turn. One nice bump and your drive wheels loose traction with the road surface and you are fighting for control.
That's not to say that they wouldn't perform better than the majority of the cars that are on the roads, just that I would take my WRX in these conditions any day over these cars.
And I do agree with you...for bad roads and inclement weather, a WRX is the perfect car.
(especially for your winters, with the snow and ice)
WRX = sitting sipping hot cocoa @ the lodge
Vette = in a ditch awaiting a tow-truck
Stang = sitting on the side of the road awaiting Ford's Road Side Assistance for tranny or other FORD engine failure
Also on just about any road that isn't a track-like surface the WRX will outlast the vette or stang, at the very least it will keep up with them if the vette/stang plans on staying on the road.
-mike
On dry ground, the Supra stayed flat as a board when hard cornering, but the WRX is way more fun, more manueverable, more responsive, feels much quicker through twisties.
BTW, it is amazing how much the boy racers are willing to pay for Supras. Thank you "Fast and Furious".
Mike
DjB
I think NBC Dateline is supposed to air crash test results tonight - I thought they said the Impreza was one of the contestants.
-juice
They gravelled the roads. My poor WRX's front end got chewed up big time. I've never seen paint do this. It looks like I tore through a gnat swarm, but it's actually paint that's been chipped off the bumper.
On the plus side, the packed snow/ice didn't even cause a twitch in the car, even with stock tires.
Speaking of which... has anyone here switched to the Dunlop SP5000s? I have heard good things about them.
Oh, and hi. This is my second post, although I've been reading for a couple months.
aric
I'm not sure how it's applied (I think it's one of those things best done by an installer) but there appear to be a few different levels of coverage (from "just front bumper and hood edge" to "all surfaces visible from the front of the car")
DjB
Anyway, Stongard is the "deal". I plan on getting on my WRX in short order. I also noticed a lot more rock chips from the gravel (they call in sanding, LOL) that is used during the winter snow spells we have and in the mountains. I also was the unhappy recipient of another windshield crack due to this crap. Oh well, I already have to replace the windshield from an earlier event so...
Stephen
I remember the discussions of this strongard before... did anyone determine whether or not it affected the paint long term?
As far as broken windshields: mine broke in september, about a week after I got it...
Is there a good compromise out there between road noise and performance that anyone has uncovered or am I asking to have my cake and eat it too?
Thanks for your input!
Ed
Stephen
When I chose my tires, the most important thing was performance followed closely by noise level. My research concluded that Toyo T1-S tires and Dunlop SP9000's will offer better performance than the RE730's with less noise than the RE92's. Of course, these are more expensive than the RE730's but if you want your cake eaten, that's the price to pay. I'm definitely a Toyo believer as I have outfitted my Miata and WRX both with a new set of T1-S tires. And the other big benefit, the Toyo tires are lighter than average. Less weight -> better wheel control over bumps.
As far as 17 vs 16 inchers, I opted for 17's. Allows a wider tread tire, looks better, and more choice of nice lightweight wheels. I echo the sentiment that the WRX was *made* with the 17's in mind since that's the standard wheel size in many other markets outside of N.America.
-mike
He followed me off the expressway and fortunately we found ourselves a red light. Was the Car and Driver test bonafide (S4, vs WRX, vs 330i)? Is the WRX as fast to 60 mph as the S4? I got a good start at the light and a half car length lead with a good 1-2 shift at 6800.
By 55 mph, he was still the 1/2 car length behind.
CD was right on about the test results - granted I'm biased but the WRX is one heck of a performance bargain for the price!!!
-mike
Ross
a few things that increase risk:
intoxication
young and/or ineperienced drivers
crowded streets or bad road conditions
poor judgement
Stephen
If you can't comment about "exercising your WRX" here - where can you you?
Let's all drive 90 hp cars and excorcize all our evil speed demons - wouldn't the world be boring!
Ed
-mike
See if they have an import night. You'll even get a time slip to earn bragging rights, and you'll have a helmet plus all the safety equipment you'd ever need should something happen.
Capitol Raceway near DC charges just $20, and you can usually get at least 4-5 runs in a day. Plus, win two races and you make your money back. Win three or more and you actually start to earn money.
Which is good, because you'll need a new clutch after a few visits! :-)
-juice
What factors? The light turned red, they went, the WRX was ahead of the S4. What more do you want? You track enthusiast people need to relent a little bit. Last time I checked you dont need a million dollar liability policy to drive on the street. So which is more dangerous?
Not only is street racing illegal, it's quite dangerous, and yes it is far more dangerous than driving on a track. Period, end of story. The Track is a controlled environment with safety personel on hand in case of anything. Do all the street racing you want, just don't post about it and brag about [non-permissible content removed] like that.
-mike
Ross
Where can you do such things? Performance driving schools for one, preferably those that will let you use your own vehicle. The autocross crowd gets a good chance at that too. Some manufacturers will even let you do that if you pay enough for your vehicle (BMW's course in Spartanburg comes to mind). Unfortunately, most of us have that exposure limited to doing donuts in an empty mall parking lot during a snowstorm.
Shifting gears: I still have yet to drive a WRX, but was a passenger in one for the first time yesterday. That was not a good thing; I was afraid I'd like it too much and I did.
Ed
Stephen
-mike
Stephen
I've never driven the car, but love it anyway and want one. My wife is actually the one who really wants it, having formerly owned small, fast yet somewhat practical cars (CRXsi and Integra). Then we started having kids and she's about had it with the Accord.
My only concern is roominess -- how's the WRX for two small kids plus the usual groceries, weekend trips, etc.?
Also, I'm on the tall side and can't remember the last car I drove where my right leg doesn't constantly bang against the center console.
Thanks for your help and watch out for those S4s!
Good luck!
Bob
Stephen