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  • desertguydesertguy Member Posts: 730
    I purchased this product and am very impressed with it. Pieces are cut for a perfect fit and the match to the existing factory wood is almost perfect.
  • goodyrlgoodyrl Member Posts: 83
    The posts/pillars between front and back doors has discolored on my car. Any suggestions for restoring these plastic pillars ? Thanks
  • packv12packv12 Member Posts: 95
    There was a brief mention about the discoloration of the B pillar trim on post #5352. It seems to be caused by the chemicals that are used in car washes, either the soap or the wax are the primary culprit.

    I can generally get the discoloration out every spring when I hand wash and wax the car. I use Meguiar's, but I don't believe the brand of wax or polish are important, I'm just cheap! What ever is on sale and is safe for the finish usually works for me.

    BTW, ScottC, has Omar the tent maker shipped my "secret" sack cloth robe size to you yet? I figure it'll take two years of canvas production, but I can then join the cult. ;-)
  • scottc8scottc8 Member Posts: 617
    Excuse the sloppy typing, but hard to do while rolling on the floor laughing. Two years? Shoot, by then there will be something better and the Zaniacs will be panhandling at airports.:)
  • jhoffman61jhoffman61 Member Posts: 82
    The general impression was positive regarding the Audi interior. People were surprised that the cost of the Audi was 5k higher than the other cars. Biggest complaints were roughness of leather, mesh pockets on back of front seats and rear seat armrest looking out of place.

    Seemed most Japanese car owners were very positive towards the Audi. LS got a couple comments of "plain" interior which is no surprise to early posters on this board.

    No complaints of size of interior for either the LS or Audi but the CTS was considered small and thus the car was considered cheaper.
  • goodyrlgoodyrl Member Posts: 83
    I have 9100 miles on my car and the replace filter message comes on all of the time. Isn't it a bit early? I dont drive in conditions that would warrant it yet i thought. Thanks
  • stanny1stanny1 Member Posts: 962
    I feel the CTS will not be competitve with the LS if the buyer is not predisposed to the Cadillac brand name. The CTS is smaller, will probably be more expensive and slower. I don't think they will go with the extensive use of aluminum in the suspension and body panels like the LS. I don't know about the battery being in the trunk but I doubt it will be. Another Cimmaron? LS1CTS0.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Is it the engine air filter or cabin air filter? How old is the car? Just reset the message center and replace it on your schedule.
  • packv12packv12 Member Posts: 95
    Drat and double drat. Last time I try those expensive diets!
  • ls1bmw0ls1bmw0 Member Posts: 782
    Wonder if they'll call it the CATERACTS? Wonder if anyone will appreciate the irony of the misspelling of cataracts? Wonder how I come up with these bad jokes?

    Brian (who is not taking himself very seriously at the moment!)
  • scottc8scottc8 Member Posts: 617
    but does that means the guy who owns one should be called a "Cateraman"?

    Geez, maybe you're contagious.
  • cwesleycwesley Member Posts: 55
    let's hope they don't go catatonic....
  • slusherslusher Member Posts: 7
    I've been looking at the LS since it came out two years ago, and have waiting until some uncertainties at work sort themselves out before I purchase one. I had been thinking in terms of looking at the 2003 MY next year and hoping that maybe the new version might have a slightly larger trunk, and some nice new features on it. However, the current 0% financing has really been messing with my mind. I've found a 2001 version of the car I've been looking at all this time, a silver 8 cylinder sport model with all the bells and whistles on it. The car keeps calling my name making it hard to sleep (well, maybe not quite that bad). But still I find that I may succumb to the temptation and get this 2001 version before the 0% financing goes away.

    Before I give in and buy the car, I just had a few questions for those of you who already have the car.

    First, I see that the car requires premium unleaded gas. My question is, what is the minimum octane rating that Lincoln recommnds to use, and what minimum octane gas do you owners actually use in the car?

    The second question is what kind of real world gas mileage do you get on 8 cylinder LS's? I seldom drive over 75 mph so I'd like to know what I can expect on the highway at 75 and not interested in mileage at 120. :-) Also, curious what you're getting in strictly city driving.

    Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.
  • gerry18gerry18 Member Posts: 39
    Message 150 on the "Real world fuel mileage. Pls participate" sedans forum topic gave one person's real world mileage experience for his 2000 3.9L V8 LS. Check it out. You may find other LS mileage experience in some of the other messages.
  • rgnmstrrgnmstr Member Posts: 226
    Slusher, I don't know where you reside but I looked throughout the whole mid atlantic area for a 2001 LS V8 in silver and they were down to demos with 30000-6000 miles on the odometer. I wound up buying a 2002 cheaper than any new or demo 2001. I wanted the 5 year 0% but I weighed the price vs the already 1 year old car and I think I'm ahead of the game out of the gate.
  • johnnylincjohnnylinc Member Posts: 308
    I have an '01 V8 Sport; after 14 months and just over 17,000 miles, my cumulative mileage is 18.60 MPG. That's a mix of highway, neighborhood, and in-town freeway driving, with highway speeds rarely exceeding 75 and very little hot-rodding. My worst tank was 15.16 when the car was new, and the best was 22.70 which was almost all on an Interstate.

    The minimum recommended octane is 91. I get all my gas at the same Phillips 66 station; I always use their premium grade which is listed at 93 on the pump. My in-town mileage seems to have slipped a bit recently; my last tank, which was virtually all local driving, was 16.48, and I'm not sure why. It's possible that the local gas formula (I'm in Central Texas) has changed, but I don't know that for sure. I was expecting to get slightly better mileage than I'm getting, especially on the highway, but it's not that much of a bother for me.

    Overall, I'm extremely pleased with the car. I have had ZERO problems thus far; the only trips to the dealer have been for routine maintenance.

    The zero-percent financing was set to expire on Oct. 31, and I'm not sure if they've extended it; you should check with the dealer. Also, you might want to see what sort of discount you can get on an identically-equipped '02 if your dealer can find one. Unless there's a huge difference in drive-out price, you might be better off with the new model. MSRP didn't change for '02, and the zero financing also applies. Furthermore, you get the Audiophile stereo with the '02 Sport.

    If you decide to join the LS family, I predict you'll be very happy with the car--I like mine a LOT!
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I get around 17 city and 25-27 highway.
  • netmogulnetmogul Member Posts: 21
    On my 4/00 V8 Sport, I stick with 93 octane, and usually get about 17-18 in the city -- but my driving style is a little bit... rushed.

    Highway gives me a consistent 24.5mpg with cruising in the 70-80 range.

    Not bad considering my E36 BMW maxed out at 29mpg on the highway with fewer cylinders, fewer horses, less torque, and a much smaller displacement.
  • slusherslusher Member Posts: 7
    Thanks for the input.

    I live in West Texas, and 90 octane is the highest anybody around here seems to carry. I guess that's what everyone driving LS's around town are using.

    Also, the gas mileage you are all getting is better than what I'm currently getting on my 97 Grand Marquis....only 13 - 14 in town, and 22 on highway.... So the LS would be an improvement for me..although the higher gas cost might make my overal fuel cost about the same as I'm spending now.

    Also, thanks to rgnmstr and johnnylinc for the comments about a 2002 vs 2001. The 2001 models I'm looking at have only 180 miles or so on them...so they would be new, but you made me realize that the 2001 is a 1 year old car, especially in terms of future resale value. I just figured they would cut me a better deal on the 01 to move it off their lot, but we haven't gotten to the point of negotiating yet, so no telling. Still, I do like the idea of the Audiophile stereo system on the 02 that was mentioned. Perhaps I will look at what I can do on an '02.

    Thanks for the input. I've learned a lot about the LS from reading this board for the last 9 months......When I took a test drive yesterday, I knew more about the car than the sales guy who was trying to sell me the car. The best he could do in his sales pitch was tell me that the radio had buttons that you could adjust the bass and treble on the stereo, that there was a little storage compartment under the middle arm rest, and the visors had mirrors on the back of them.

    Anyway, thanks again for the input.
  • krystalgkrystalg Member Posts: 15
    I see that alot of Lincoln owners out there is wondering about the 2003 Model year. Well from what i do understand the LS will be tweaked just a little, more horsepower given to the V-8 with the front and rear lights being so called "updated". The Towncar gets a longer front end to hold a 300 hp V-8 with a smaller grill on the front and reshaped all around. The 2002 model year is it for the aging continental making room for the all new Mark IV. And the Navigator gets an update along with a new truck built off the Explore platform called the Lincoln Aviator. The Aviator should make its appearance in showrooms sometime next spring as a 2003, we will see. I have seen mutiple pictures of it and its a Lil Navi...for those who like the BIG BROTHER, but prefer a smaller body. I hope that the LS keep somewhat of its current design, because I love my 2001 V-8 Sport Package and would hate to see LM tamper with perfection!!
  • rgnmstrrgnmstr Member Posts: 226
    I really did not find any difference in pricing between 2001 and 2002 when shopping around. I'm on the road during the day covering 4 states so I was able to hit a number of dealers. The lowest bonified price I found on a 2001 was $36.2 for a demo with 4500 miles that was driven by the owner's daughter who did $4,500 worth of body damage to the car after being in a wreck. That car was not loaded. On 2002s I received a lot of quotes in the $38k-$39k range with one idiot adding a sticker next to the factory sticker that read "limited availablity dealer markup $2500. He wanted to sell the car at MSRP (sticker). I wound up buying a 2002 with a sticker price of $41,750 for $36,940. This was around $1400 below invoice and $4,600 or so below sticker. Most dealers were $2,000- $2500 below sticker. The dealer said he had factory money to move some 2002s below invoice. I would be interested in knowing what others have been paying lately.
    As far as the audiophile stereo goes that feature was included as part of the sport package in 2001 also.
  • rgnmstrrgnmstr Member Posts: 226
    In the few posts I left here I have failed to mention my big gripe with this car. They don't make a 2 door. I have had 1 dealer tell me they are going to make a convertable in 2004 and that will be a 2 door. I was unable to confirm this with any other dealer.
    Oh and another gripe. The extra cost appearance package that will be available in late 2002 should be a part of the sport package.
  • jhoffman61jhoffman61 Member Posts: 82
    I think the CTS is going to appeal to the IS300 buyers more than LS buyers. If there was a baby LS like the Jaguar X-type vs. S-type, then that is the product that would compete.

    My guess is that young people (under 30) who grew up with their parent's BMW's and Mercedes might just like the CTS since it stands out. Ok, I think it's ugly, but if someone wanted to be noticed, it sure doesn't look like the LS, BMW etc.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    has already been announced. Targeted for 2004 IIRC.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    It's called the 2002 Ford Thunderbird. And it's already a convertible. It just doesn't have a back seat.
  • ls1bmw0ls1bmw0 Member Posts: 782
    FORD DRIVES AMERICA EXTENSION


    DEARBORN, Mich., Oct. 29, 2001 - Ford has extended its Ford Drives America program through Tuesday, Nov. 20. The program offers consumers 36-month, zero percent financing on most 2001 and 2002 Ford brand cars, trucks, SUVs and minivans.


    http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10073

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    The audiophile included with the 2001 sport package is not the same as the early 2000 audiophile package (available until late 99) or the 2002 sport package audiophile option. The 2001 sport package did not include the subwoofers.
  • rgnmstrrgnmstr Member Posts: 226
    Technical question for the group. Part of the 2002 communication package is an onboard GPS. I would like to know does the GPS "box" where ever it is in the car have an output jack available that can be used to supply a signal to a laptop computer running a mapping program?
  • ehildebrandtehildebrandt Member Posts: 1
    I have read many messages regarding a whine noise from 1200 to 1800 RPM's coming from the engine compartnment. I have been told from 2 dealers that it is normal and that it is related to the timing chain. While this might be true it is extremely annoying. Has anyone talked to a Ford factory rep on this??? Is it possible that it is caused by the fan??? or power steering pump???

    if I am stuck, is there any add on noise suppression kit available that will reduce engine compartment noise???
  • slowdriverslowdriver Member Posts: 41
    Engine Air Filter Replacement by goodyrl Oct 27, 2001 (05:34 pm)

    I have 9100 miles on my car and the replace filter message comes on all of the time. Isn't it a bit early? I dont drive in conditions that would warrant it yet i thought. Thanks

    The replacement filter message is for the filter at the air inlet to air-conditioning. that filter should be replaced every 15K miles. The replacement is very simple, there are instructions in the car's manual. You can order the filter from the ford parts network (cabin filter FP-25). The replacement only takes 15 minutes. My dealer wanted $100 to replace it.

    www.fordpartsnetwork.com
  • ls1bmw0ls1bmw0 Member Posts: 782
    I'm assuming you have a V-8 and either a 2000 or 2001. The whine you are hearing is from the cam timing chains. There is no cure for it. On some cars it is louder than on others depending on the vagaries of manufacturing tolerances. A change was made to the 2002 models that eliminated this problem, but for the 2001 and 2000 models you're stuck with it. It would be hideously expensive to replace the timing chains and gears with the new unit.

    You may want to try using synthetic oil such as Mobil 1. Some people have had a noticeable reduction in the whine by using it.
  • jhoffman61jhoffman61 Member Posts: 82
    I thought that the NVH engineer at LS Mania II made a distinction between the whine (during acceleration) and the drone noise (constant speed). I thought the drone noise was caused by the timing chains but that some other gear was the source of the whine ?
  • ls1bmw0ls1bmw0 Member Posts: 782
    You will hear the timing chain at the 1200-1800 rpm range. Can't rightly say I remember the discussion since most of the afternoon was a bit of a blur for me. Perhaps some of the other Mania 2 participants have better recollection than me.
  • andyl2andyl2 Member Posts: 84
    I recommend a product called Clearmask. It is a transparent film that is applied to the front bumper, heading edge of the hood and fenders as well as the outside rearview mirrors. It is applied and left on the vehicle. It is only noticable when you are very close to the vehicle. You will not get any rock chips in the protected areas. You wash and wax just like normal without removing the product. The product can be removed, but can not be reused after removal. You can install it yourself (I have) but it is a bit tricky. It cones with an installation video and they are exceptionally helpful with technical questions. Look at www.clearmask.com. I believe the LS kit is around $200 for all the pieces mentioned above.
  • slunarslunar Member Posts: 479
    The cam chain whine can be heard in any gear, accelerating, decelerating or at constant speed. The V8 simply has to be on the right RPM range.

    The drone which is a beating of close resonances in drive line components only happens when the torque converter is locked and is most common at a constant speed (42 MPH 4th gear, 51 MPH 5th gear with 3.31 axle) but can also be heard under light acceleration, that is light enough so the torque converter does not unlock.

    I'm glad to hear that the cam chain whine is gone in 2002 models, but what about the drone? The new halfshafts reduce but do not eliminate the drone. I heard somewhere that to completely eliminate the drone that changes to the unibody or subframe would have to be made if not some more of the driveline components. Have any of these changes been made in the 2002?
  • scottc8scottc8 Member Posts: 617
    Sorry about that. IIRC, the NVH engineer at Dearborn mentioned that some people actually like the whine, think it sounds like a turbine or something. I'm not one of those people. I use D4 in town a lot to save having to ride the brake to keep from coasting too fast. It keeps the RPMs up a little, which the engine likes better anyway, and will often get you out of the RPM range where the whine is most prevalent.

    My experience with switching to synthetic oil is that it greatly reduced the mechanical noise when starting up on very cold mornings (due to nearly instantaneous oil flow), but has not made any difference in the noise once the engine is warmed up.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    According to Motor Trend the Ford 49 concept has been given the go ahead for production. And, contrary to earlier reports, there will be a 02 Continental. (But then you Wixom tour guys probably already knew that, huh?)

    Terminator mustang was also mentioned for 2003 (last year of production for current platform). Supercharged 4.6L putting out 400 hp.
  • johnnylincjohnnylinc Member Posts: 308
    Automotive News is reporting that Ford Chief Exec Jac Nasser is leaving the company and that Bill Ford will take over as Chief Executive Officer.


    Nick Scheele will be the new COO; other executive changes will also take place. The official announcement will be made on Tuesday, according to the article.


    Here's a link:


    http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=828


    If the link doesn't work, just go to the main page at www.autonews.com and you'll see the article.

  • ls1bmw0ls1bmw0 Member Posts: 782
    I've finally had the time to put the pictures from LS Mania 2 online. They are raw without captions and not organized too well at this point but it will allow you to look at them. They are all thumbnails that will expand when you click on them.

     

    Here's the link: http://www.llsoc.com/Mania/LS%20Mania%202.htm


    Brian

  • leadfoot4leadfoot4 Member Posts: 593
    Not to be contrary, but I just read where the Concept 49 might not make into production (at least as is) due to side impact issues. The reason mentioned is that the 49 doesn't have a "B" pillar to add to the structural rigidity.
  • keyrowkeyrow Member Posts: 214
    Another site to check out for a clear film bra is: http://www.stongard.com/

    Their warranty provides up to $2000.00 for repairs to your vehicle for 4 years if their film fails to provide protection. I didn't see any for Clearmask.
  • thornthorn Member Posts: 91
    Is job n"one":


    "For the first time in the U.S., Toyota [Motor Corp.] has a double-digit lead" in quality, Mr. Scheele said. "Ford is, for the first time, significantly worse than GM or Chrysler," referring to Detroit rivals General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group....

    ..."Some of the actions that we've taken in the past few years maybe distracted us and contributed to a deterioration in quality," he said, without elaborating....

    ...Still, while Ford has succeeded in cost-cutting for years, Mr. Scheele said, "our costs are [now] going up and going up dramatically," attributable in part to growing expenses for sales incentives and other marketing initiatives. The $1,000 per vehicle added on average over the past five years came at a time when new-vehicle prices were falling in the face of intense competition from import rivals. The squeeze has hurt Ford's profit margins and contributed to a deep slide in market share, which Mr. Scheele called "severe damage."


    - Nick Scheele, who will be named to the new position of chief operating officer and president of Ford Automotive Operations, quoted in the WSJ, October 4, 2001

    http://interactive.wsj.com/

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Detroitnews.com is confirming that Nasser was ousted Monday.
  • brunobusbrunobus Member Posts: 77
    There is also a whine that comes from the auto tranny. This is the one that Scott is referring to that sounds like a turbine and that some people actually like.

    It is only on lower gears, 1, 2, and 3, and can be repaired by replacing one of the gears in the tranny, but I do not remember which one.

    There is a TSB on it, but the tranny gear change is the last thing on the list of what the dealership is supposed to do. I think there are about 5 other steps prior to that, so it will take some committment and patience to get it resolved completely.

    Bruno
  • jhoffman61jhoffman61 Member Posts: 82
    Bruno's post refers to the whine that I was thinking of. I'm not sure that the cam chain issue ever referred to a whine, just the drone noise upon lockup of the torque converter.

    The issue was that the LS does not have any slip in the converter so the resonance gets passed from cam chain to the body -- whereas a slight slippage like other cars have (had?) would have masked this issue.
  • andyl2andyl2 Member Posts: 84
    Stoneguard is a competitive product of ClearMask. The reason I picked Clearmask over Stoneguard was: Stoneguard is much more expensive than Clearmask, the people were not as helpful, the Stoneguard wraps more than the Clearmask (this improves appearance slightly, but makes it much harder to install. I do not think I can install StoneGuard myself, where as I can install Clearmask), Clearmask comes with helpful how to install video and Stoneguard does not.
  • ls1bmw0ls1bmw0 Member Posts: 782
    Jaguar

    XKR-R Performance Prototype – Perhaps the ultimate expression of Jaguar's top-of-the-line sports coupe, the XKR-R is motivated by a supercharged V-8 engine boosted to over 400 horsepower. Acceleration is staggering, with a 0 – 60 mph times recorded at 4.6 seconds. Not a single component escaped Jaguar's Special Vehicle Operations team's attention in the metamorphosis from stock XKR to the unique XKR-R, from the shape of the front bumper to the quad-outlet exhaust.

    Lincoln

    LS "Sport Edition" – Performance modifications to this luxury sport sedan include an intercooler supercharger system, electronic upgrades and a performance air intake system that helps the 3.9-liter V-8 engine generate 350 horsepower and 350 lbs.-ft. of torque. Other performance modifications consist of a lower ride height, Bilstein shocks, upgraded anti-roll bars, 19-inch diameter 5-spoke aluminum alloy wheels and Z-rated high performance radial tires. The brake rotors have been cross-drilled and grooved. Extensive exterior and interior enhancements match the vehicles overall performance.
  • scottc8scottc8 Member Posts: 617
    There was an article about a prototype ultimate Jag sports car in one of the magazines a few months ago; I'm nearly certain it was the XKR-R. Among the technical goodies they raved over was the suspension layout adapted from (drum roll, please) the Lincoln LS.
  • rdl40rdl40 Member Posts: 60
    I'm in the market for a new car, a entry level luxury sport car to be exact.
    I like the Lincoln LS but have also considered the import competition (Acura TL, Infinity I 30 etc.)
    I've done some research and have read some of this town hall, can somebody give me compelling reasons
    to buy the Lincoln LS.?
    I've read edmunds comparison on entry level luxury cars and the LS was rated lower than much of it's competition. Also, are their concerns for the auto trans. on this vehicle?
    And , last question, V-8 or V-6. I'm a previous owner of a '91 Taurus SHO w/5-speed and Yamaha V-6.
    Any LS owners with V-6 manual that can give me some feedback?
    Thanks for your help!
  • cwesleycwesley Member Posts: 55
    I have 20,000 miles on my 2000 LS with 5 speed manual and will definately order a new one when my lease expires. I have had no serious problems and find it a great car to drive on the highway and around town. I tend to lean towards sport rather than luxury, but certainly appreciate the memory steering wheel and seat feature, dual zone climate control and audio contols on steering wheel. But most importantly, it is a blast to drive. More car for less money than many imports in class, and it has rear wheel drive. did I say it's a blast to drive?
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