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  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Stealth? Depends on the color. :-) Not much with the WR Blue.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=8310
  • arisvarisv Member Posts: 2
    Im in transition between cars right now. i have just turned in my 2002 BMW 325i and want something a little different. I am considering going with a used 330Ci, or a new AWD car. i live in the new york new jersey area, so rain and snow is occasionaly troublesonme. basically what im asking is, i KNOW the BMW is a great car, it the style perfonrmance and luxury. Is the subaru SIGNIFIGANTLY lower in these categories, or does it come down to preferance. Does anyone have other experiances with the subaru wagon and BMW?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The new interior on the 2005 and later models come close enough, but that's me.

    -juice
  • merrycynicmerrycynic Member Posts: 340
    No mention of a front LSD in that article, that would be a major dissapointment for me.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Those can get expensive. You gotta wonder if Forester buyers will value something like that. You'd usually only notice in extreme circumstances.

    Not that I wouldn't want one.

    -juice
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Well the rumours are gaining credibility now about potential 2.5T in the WRX. Wonder if they'll keep the current tranny. That I could resist, but if they add the 6 speed and make it available in a wagon, I'd better make my appointment with the marriage counsellor now.
    Course then they'll probably bring the F-STi on it's heels and further ruin my life.
    Nicholas
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    How true is the documents?
    image

    Your call :)

    -Dave
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Oh yeah. You'll notice how carefully I chose my words in the first sentence.
    No way am I gonna "pull a Dan Rather".
  • dcm1dcm1 Member Posts: 1
    I have '02 WRX wagon w/same problems. The pillar rattle, check the outside pillar trim mounting, the lower push in snap, maybe broken. As to wind noise, my dealer tells me the wind noise is from the 'triangle' around the driver side mirror. Mine will be in the dealer for the fix soon. Then I'll post if repair/replace stopped noise. Lub the rear hatch hinges & check that the bumpers on the hatch are snug w/quarter panel when hatch is closed.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Bah, I could type up one of those. ;-)

    -Dennis
  • oneduckstwooneduckstwo Member Posts: 34
    thanks for the reply. 1 reply out of 2 active forums?! oh well, perhaps everyone has tired of the subject!
  • mikenkmikenk Member Posts: 281
    At 24,000 miles on my BFG KDWS tires, I took my car in for a slow air leak and discovered that I was actually touching the cord on the inside of the tire. Admittedly there was not much tread left anywhere, but on close inspection all of my tires, rotated regularly, were wearing more on the inside. Is this normal, a function of my driving, or time for alignment.

    Unfortunately, I had no time to do my normal research on tires and took what they recommended and had in stock, the Kumho Ecsta ASX. They drove really nice on the way home. Hopefully, it is a reasonable replacement tire.

    Since I haven't been on this forum in a while, as an update, my 02 wagon has 32,000 miles with absolutely no problems so far. Ditto for wife VDC Outback after 40,000 miles; its still on original tires.

    Mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    extreme negative camber can cause inside edge wear, but what does it more quickly by far is excessive toe-out.

    your alignment is definitely off.

    ~Colin
  • wrxwagwrxwag Member Posts: 6
    I have a 2002 WRX with 31K. I've had piston slap since day one. The colder it is outside, the louder the slap/knock. It first becomes noticeable when temperatures dip into the low thirties. The slap/knock disappears shortly after the engine reaches normal operating temperatures. I use Mobil I.
    I drove at least four other loaner Subaru's while I was having warranty work done on my original transmission. Not one of them had piston slap in cold weather. The noise is aggravating, sounds a bit like bad connecting rod bearings and is unacceptable by today's standards. It's my understanding that not all WRX engines have cold weather piston slap.
    Even if the sound is benign it does make one wonder how the engine will age.
  • wrxwagwrxwag Member Posts: 6
    I had my first transmission replaced at about 15k because of a problem with first gear disengaging at low speeds. The first shift from first to second in cold weather(30 or below)had to be made quickly or getting the shifter into second required major force...so much so that I usually slowed to a stop and started over or skipped second. It took only a momentary pause for second to bind up.
    My new transmission is better but behaves the same way when shifting from first to second in cold weather. But lately it's developed another issue. The shifter has always felt sticky pulling out of first gear in cold weather for the first few shifts. But over the past few months it has gotten noticeably more difficult to pull the shifter out of first gear for the first few shifts. Occasionally, it even seems to be more difficult shifting out of first when the car is completely warmed. I replaced the transmission oil with 75/90 Mobil I last week and the shifting improved some.
    Anyone had similar issues shifting out of first gear in cold weather?
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    you could always send off some oil for analysis and see if there is in fact any engine wear happening.
    I was conecerned about the same thing with my 98 Legacy. I checked the oil at 70K, engine was fine, I'm close to 120K now, will send another sample before spending money on another big service and timing belt etc etc.I send mine to Blackstone labs.
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    Did they replace your trans or fix it the first time?
  • wrxwagwrxwag Member Posts: 6
    They tried to repair it, first.
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    I'd take it back to them.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Mobil1 gear oil is known to be to slippery for the synchros. You might have more problems, especially when the weather warms up. Conventional 75W90 gear oil is like molasses when the weather is freezing and below. I use Motul synthetic blend.

    Re: piston slap
    As long as it goes away when the car has warmed up, it won't be a problem. My wife's 99 OB has done it from the beginning. Thick or thin (and Mobil1 xW30 is thin) oil doesn't make a difference. I did an oil analysis through Blackstone-labs.com and they said the engine was in great shape. If it doesn't go away, you might have a cambelt tensioner or other problem.

    This is for the 2.5 engines, but may be of help.
    http://endwrench.com/images/pdfs/EngineNoiseSum04.pdf

    -Dennis
  • wrxwagwrxwag Member Posts: 6
    I appreciate your input, Dennis. The article regarding the new piston design resulting in cold weather piston noise was helpful.
    Mobil I has always been loved by some and considered trouble by others. I've been happy with the motor oil so gave the gear oil a try. Shifting smoothness has improved noticeably once the car is warmed up. Getting into reverse is easier, too. Having had serious transmission problems with this car, I pay very close attention to how it shifts.
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    I posted before that I had my rear diff replaced under warranty for a whine @ 60 mph. New diff didn't get rid of the noise. The noise got louder with the new diff and today I got another new one under warranty.
    The oil was dark with metal particles. This is with less than 300 miles since installed. Well the new one they put in today also makes the noise although it is much lower in volume.

    Either the diffs the dealer has in stock are all from a bad batch or there is something else that is making the diff. die. Is there a mount or bearing the driveshaft sits in that could be out of alignment causing undie stress to the diff.?

    Tires, tow hitch and muffler have been ruled out. A mechanic also listened to the bearings with a stethescope and declared the bearings healthy (car on lift, wheels spinning at 60 mph). Plus the quick disintegration of the new diff seems to point to the diff.

    Don
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    A wild shot in pitch darkness...
    did you check the circumference of your tires?

    -Dave
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Unless they are receiving a complete, assembled differential carrier with axles... I would opine that you should consider the possibility that your dealership is improperly repairing the vehicle.

    The bit about being out of alignment is more or less right. If a limited-slip differential is not shimmed carefully to the proper specifications, it will wear quickly.

    I would open a case with Subaru through their 800 number if you have not already. If I were in your position I would want to consider the possibility of a different dealership performing the next replacement. Or if your existing dealer does it again, perhaps a SOA technician (not a management/sales/marketing person) should be present to oversee and assist.

    ~Colin
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    Thanks guys.

    The tires are within the 1/4 inch spec.

    The diff was new in box but not with axles.

    There are only 2 dealers close by and the one I went to (Flemington) seems pretty willing.

    I did a search over at Nabis?o (thats not listing another forum is it?) and it seems like I'm not an isolated case...WRXs and Foresters...interesting bit is the 60mph speed at which they all heard the noise. There was no clear definitive fix.

    This is a real bummer because I was going to start modding the car in place of trading in for a LGT (and then spending more again). I'd hate to have to replace the diff every 30K miles.
  • threesinthreesin Member Posts: 50
    Hi Folks,

    I can see from what's going on here that I've been absent from the boards for too long. However, when I started dealing for an '05 STi, I decided I'd better see what you had to say about the '05 STi vs the '04.

    At any rate, Thank you, Thank you, and Thank you!! Once again you've come through with important information: Upon seeing the "Subaru Document" and reading about the test drive of a FXT STi, I asked my friendly Suby salesman about it. He confirmed that SOA had just told them at a meeting to explain the new models, that the 2.5 turbo engine was indeed going to be offered in the WRX and Forester. When I asked if they would be available in the Jun-Jul time frame, he said that it would be a little later than that?? He also said it would be worth my time to wait!

    So, all of you who feel as I do and prefer the wagon to the sedan, it appears that we'll have our wish in a few short months. Start saving your coins!

    Once again, thank you! I'd have had a new STi within the next few weeks; and I'd have been kicking myself when the '06s hit the mkt!

    Hope my return to the boards finds all well, happy, and keeping the wheels pointed at the pavement side of the globe............Terry
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    Uhmm, 2.5L turbo in WRX != STi.

    I hope they come through with the 6-speed in more models, because I have an STi and I will tell you that it is one sweet gearbox. And the 2.5L motor will doubtless improve the numbers of the WRX, especially low-end torque. But an STi is a *whole* *lot* *more* than a WRX with more horsepower and torque. The WRX is quick, sporty AWD funmobile with excellent road manners. The STi is a fire breathing, road devouring beast.

    If what you really want is an STi wagon (so do I, for what it's worth), your only current option is to build your own. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that will be true after the '06 introduction.

    Regards,
    -wdb
  • threesinthreesin Member Posts: 50
    wdb: I really prefer the manners of our '05 legacy GT. While there's no way it can perform (read race) with your STi, it does go like a scalded cat, when called for; but it's also comfortable to drive all day long, day in and day out. The 250 HP is plenty for any road requirements, short of all out racing.

    That's the one draw back to the WRX: It takes too long to get the turbo working, and it runs out of oomph too soon. I have two of the WRX wagons: an automatic and a 5-sp. I got the 5-sp because I was not happy with the auto, and it is a definite improvement in the fun factor; but I quickly found myself yearning for the power band of the 2.5 turbo engine.

    As you pointed out, a 2.5 turbo WRX = STi; but I don't really think that Subaru will do that. I'm guessing that they'll give the WRX a 250 or 265 HP tune, keep the 5-sp, maybe add the triptronic Legacy type auto, and keep the road manners similar to the current models.

    As you may know, they've saturated the mkt with the current WRX models and have had to offer incentives to move them. Many of us would like more power, but do not really want to sacrifice the WRX tamer road compliance for the race tuned suspension of the STi. Walla! Subaru listens and finds a way to create new demand for the WRX.

    I could also see them retreating from the changes in the '05 STi to something that would compete head to head with the EVO, given equal driving skills. The racing purests would love it, and those of us who just want excellent handling with some comfort and added power thrown in as the frosting, would also be very happy '06 Suby owners!

    As mentioned in my previous post, I've already talked to my salesman about the '06 WRX wagon, and I'll be one of his first customers in line when they become available. Anyone lookin' for an '05 WRX wagon with auto, or an '03 Bugeye WRX wagon with 5-sp??:-))

    Of course, all this guessing is worth exactly what you paid for it. It's just MHO...Terry
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    I'm pretty happy with my '03 wagon [Pebbles] and I don't see myself trading for a '06 2.5l.
    However, I do have plans for sometime down the road to move the 2.5l with the 5EAT into her :D

    -Dave
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Oh,...

    but I quickly found myself yearning for the power band of the 2.5 turbo engine.

    I too find myself developing the yearn/urge for more power, but whenever it comes around I drive Mom's '99 OBS for the day. :D

    -Dave
  • threesinthreesin Member Posts: 50
    Ahhhh: Hadn't thought of that. I'll give it a try; but since my Mom drives an "S" type Acura Cpe, I'll have to give my '00 2.5RS a go;-)

    Terry
  • cinosweivecinosweive Member Posts: 166
    Don't know where else to post this, but can anyone recommend a pair of jack stands compatible w/ the WRX? Sears has a cheapie pair for $15 that I liked only because their minimum height was only about 11 inches - I figured that height would be good for tire rotations. I just don't know how stable they would be extended though - they are kind of small. Anyone have any likes/dislikes or features I should look for?
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    The dealer now says that the noise is normal. I have 30K more miles on the drivetrain warranty so I'll sit tight and hope it isn't serious.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    hmm, well it's your car but I'd still strongly suggest having another dealer look at it. I would start that conversation with their service tech by simply mentioning the noise and then only later would I mention to them that it's been worked on before?

    deceitful? not at all, IMO. they're human and they have biases.. so to avoid that, treat this like a whole new issue for them.

    if they ask if it's been replaced before then obviously you don't lie. :)

    ~Colin
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    According to the top mechanic, he thought it was the pinion gear (?) in the front differential. He said that it was adjustable without opening the whole trans/diff/diff but that he had never had good results shimming. To keep an ear on it.
    I guess I can go to the other dealer here but my experience with dealer #2 has never been good.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    the front pinion gear is on the output shaft of the transmission. the tail of this shaft goes to the center differential.

    so, this noise is coming from under you rather than behind? because front differential noise should be a lot different than rear...

    btw, I've never heard differential noise in stock subaru. aftermarket, sure. FWIW my Evo's transfer case is really noisy when decelerating in gear so I get to hear that sound pretty often.

    ~Colin
  • beanboybeanboy Member Posts: 442
    The front diff/tranny in my LGT makes plenty of noise, especially 1,2 and 3. straight-cut gear wanna-be sound! Hehe

    -B
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    Hi all, I posted in here a few weeks ago about my 04 WRX transmission that has begun grinding first gear on occasion. I took it back to the Subaru shop that performed the 30k mile service to have them check it out and, surprise surprise, the transmission checked out fine and never ground once during their testing.

    They didn't think that the Castrol gear oil that they put in would have any effect on the syncros (it's non-synthetic) but they DID think that the clutch felt very odd and could be contributing to the grinding problem. To me, it feels the same today as it did brand new, but they asked if it was an aftermarket high performance clutch (it's not, the car's totally stock). The clutch IS much different than any other car I've ever driven, including other Subaru's, but I assumed that it was just a characteristic of the WRX clutch.

    I know the 04+ clutches are different from the earlier WRX units, and since the technitian that drove mine has an 03 WRX, that could explain his perceptions, but now I'm worried that I might have a clutch going bad on the car. The clutch is very heavy, much more so than my 01 Outback's, and has an unusually "springy" feel to it. That is, there feels like there's a TON of clamping force that hits all at once at the very top of the pedal's travel (rather than a smooth, progressive engagement throughout the pedal stroke). I'm sorry if that's not specific enough, it's hard to describe "feel" with text.

    The car has been driven quite easily its entire life -- I don't usually wind the engine up, I don't launch it away from intersections, and I don't ride the clutch in traffic -- so I'd be shocked if the clutch was really going bad at 32k miles. Does this sound like normal clutch-feel for this car? I wouldn't have thought twice about it, were it not for the Subaru mechanic's raised suspicions.

    Brian
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    According to the top mechanic...

    Would that be Ed? I've used my fair share of dealers (Sansone (rip), Bell (rip), Hillside, Somerset, Myrtle Beach (on vacation) and nobody has come close to Flemington for tech knowledge.

    I have noticed slightly more drivetrain noise with synthetic gear oil, but nothing I would even see a dealer about. Good luck and keep us posted. It's in your record now which is a good thing.

    -Dennis
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    Dennis,
    Last time we mentioned names we got repremanded. So I'll say the techs name rhimes with Ted.
    I have dealt with 3 dealers and Flemington is the best so far. I just wish they wouldn't try to add on so much other stuff with their 30K service.
    so...
    I am in the process of doing the 30K myself. Dino in the trans, synth in the rear diff, coolant with Subaru's snake oil additive. I am waiting for some SS brake lines to get here before I do the brake and clutch flush. Do the 02-03's use the old big oil filter or the newer smaller one?

    Now why did Subaru put the PCV valve UNDER the intercooler? I took the intercooler off and am thinking of drilling out the old pcv valve ( it's threaded), connecting a hose and placing the new valve in a more reachable location. Will this affect the performance of the new pcv valve?

    The manual does not give a maintenance schedule for the power steering fluid. I have never replaced PS fluid. Is this something that needs periodic replacement?

    Don
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Don,
    Should have let us know, 30ks we've been banging out lately... :) As fr PCV vauves Subaru doesn't have a change interval and haven't changed any yet.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    On my Forester's EJ25, it's right on top of the block, piece of cake to swap out.

    I wouldn't do the hose idea, though, you don't service it often enough to need that, IMO. Unless you drive 30k miles per year.

    -juice
  • philwang66philwang66 Member Posts: 61
    They specify the new smaller black filter for all WRXs including 02 and 03s. AFAIK, that's simply to avoid confusion. So if you've got any of the larger white ones, I'm pretty sure that's fine too...

    Phil
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    Now that that's out of the way, back to the Subies!

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  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The newer oil filters are smaller and keep the oil away from the heat of the header pipes. It's not a problem to continue to use the old larger ones until you are finished using them up.

    -mike
  • evotellevotell Member Posts: 4
    Hi Guys

    I am new to this forum, and to the 2005 WRX Wagon which I have just taken delivery of. Overall I am very happy with the car. Except the rather excesive turbo lag and the rear end body role. I have just ordered 2 urpated sway bays, which hopfully will sort the body role out. I have also ordered a set of Prodrive P1 wheels in Anthracite 17x7. I am considering fitting the STi tires RE070.

    Any suggestions would be helpful. particually on tire size. Subaru recommend 215x45 17 ???

    Regards

    Terry
    Alberta
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    Hi Terry,
    I have an 04 wagon with STi wheels on it, which I absolutely love. The STi tires, though, were poorly suited to my driving conditions. Aside from being a "summer only" tire (ie: NO snow), they were amazingly stiff and heavy tires. The ride was terrible on the highway, which is where I spend all my time, and the noise they generated was unbearable. The grip and handling they provided was simply amazing, but since I'm a relatively conservative driver I just didn't like the RE070's.

    I put a set of PZero Nero (225-45-17 M+S) tires on the STi wheels and was amazed at the difference. The car handles much better than with the OEM 16's, but (surprisingly) the ride is also much better with the 17's -- credit the light weight of the STi wheels and light Pirelli tires. Compared to the RE070's, the handling is not as razor sharp, but it's a tradeoff I'm more than happy to accept. I've got about 15,000 miles on the Pirelli's now, and they have worn very well (I expect to get at least 30,000 miles out of them at this rate) and will absolutely buy them again. Snow traction, which may or may not be important to you, was really good with these tires, too.

    I know that Subaru recommends 215-45-17's instead of the 225's, but I have not had any issues with them in that size...only if you plan on lowering the car should you be concerned.

    Enjoy the new ride!!

    Brian
  • evotellevotell Member Posts: 4
    Hi Brian

    Thanks for the informative reply. It seams that all these issues are a trade off, must admit dont like the sound of noisy tyres, but the razor sharp handling sounds good. I will let you knoe what I do.

    Kind regards

    Terry
  • evotellevotell Member Posts: 4
    Hi Brian

    Said I'd would get back to you. Have decided to buy Bridgstone Pole Position SO3, good reviews.

    Kind regards

    Terry
  • evotellevotell Member Posts: 4
    A set of 4 2002 onwards WRX wheels. Please include shipping cost to Red Deer, Alberta.

    Regards

    Terry
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