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I AM ABOUR READY TO FILE A LEMON LAW CASE AS I AM AT THE END OF MY ROPE!!
HAD ANYONE EXPERIENCED SIMILAR PROBLEMS WITH WARPED BRAKE ROTORS???
Also, has anyone had problems with their doors rattling significantly over bumps? I have had the truck in 7 times for this and they got one door corrected but the other door still rattles even on a windy day at high speeds. I am on my last nerve with this.
thanks for all your advice
good luck.
windows are down. I brought the car for
service and was told there was nothing the
dealership could do until engineering documents
it as a problem. The dealership has had other
people bring the car in with the same problem
and even took another expedition from the
dealership for a drive with the windows down.
I have made a complaint with Ford and will see
if they do something.
I am very frustrated because it seems this problem
exists in alot or maybe even all 2003 expeditions
and I can't imagine Ford didn't know about it
before selling me the car.
Are other people experiencing the same problem?
It is kind of the nature of the beast and I think you are going to have to try and live with it.
Also have occasional problems in cold weather(<20 F) where the vehicle experiences significant resistance when trying to drive. After the truck warms up it seems to get better.
Thanks
all vehicles, this is a problem where the
wind coming in through the center of the
car throws off the front and rear suspensions.
The suspensions get confused and basically
lose control. Everyone at Ford, including the
dealer are aware it is a suspension problem;
I described it as a shaking problem when the
windows are down, Ford wrote it as a suspension
problem. This is a serious problem for Ford
and I guess a very difficult one to fix. Test
your cars going 50 miles per hour with the
middle row windows down and see what happens my
investigating shows it happens in alot of cars..
I can't say all at this point. Ford is sending
an engineer to test drive my car.
I was wondering if anyone else has seen this and if it is "normal" or if something is wrong, and if something is wrong, what???
have the same situation happen. I think that if
you don't close the door tight, after a few minutes
(30min.??) the light will turn off preventing your
battery from draining. Happen to me several time and
never thought of it has a problem (this is just my
experience).
I've got a '97 XLT with 137K miles. It's been a great vehicle for me. Not flawless, but nothing major. Until now.
Every once in a while I'll be driving along and the tranny will apparently go into neutral. Only happens when it's in overdrive. When it happens I take it out of overdrive and it goes right to third gear. If I wait a few minutes and put it back in overdrive it's back to normal. Doesn't seem to matter if I'm on the highway or local roads. More likely to happen just after a right turn or a bump. Sounds like something loose, but I can't find anything. Local tranny shop wants to rebuild it for $2500.
Any thoughts?
When picking up the truck at the end of the day, I met three other sorry souls all with the same problem. Scary thing was they were all 2000 models with approximately 40K miles.
Seems kinda' strange!! Is this a well known problem? Any recalls? This valve going bad while on the road would really suck!
Thanks
The service techs have been lubing the stops, but that only fixes the problem for a day or two. The latest conclusion is "differential chadder" (???). Not a single service advisor could even tell me what that is. They have added an additive to the fluid, that they tell me will fix the problem after I drive the truck for another 1,000 miles to break it in!!!
Any words of wisdom on this would be appreciated. I am running out of patience with this one....
Hijinxx, You have load leveling suspension, probably equipped for towing. This relies on something like airbags, rather than springs. The bags are inflated by a pump you will find under the hood. It feeds air via hard black plastic tubing. I did not want it on mine because Ford (Lincoln) has had problems with these systems for years. If the failures are anything like Lincolns, expect large repair bills in years to come.
Chamill, usually a noise like you describe will be tire related (flat spots from sitting), since it goes away as the tires heat up. If it did not go away, I would suspect front wheel bearings causings this type of noise. Is it 4WD? Also, you said the rear has "differential chatter". If they put in an additive, yours would be a limited slip rear end (see your window sticker under "optional equip") which should come from the factory with the additive in it. Has the rear been serviced before? They could have left out the additive. A limited slip is designed to give traction to the other wheel if one should spin. To do this, it has clutches inside that, if they should start engaging and disengaging rapidly, would cause a chatter. The additive prevents them from causing a chatter by helping them stay engaged until both wheels are at the same speed, such as pulling out of mud, or even turning a corner. It should not take 1000 miles to break in. I would think within a few days, at the most. I think 1000 miles just buys them more time.
Since you seem to be in the "know," can you tell me whether it is possible to have a suspension kit added to the truck and disconnect the air suspension?
I live in SoCal and there are lots of truck customizers around . . . any recommendations?
Thanks
The expedition is a 4wd, but has never left the highway. All the problems I am experiencing are in the front end. I regularly rotate and maintain the tires so that is not the problem. The dealership has lubed the stops, which is what they originally diagnosed the problem as. I don't know that much about cars but I cannot understand how a differential issue would cause the problem that I am experiencing.
Yesterday I was leaving the third floor of a parking garage with a circular exit, and the truck barely made it around the turns. It felt like the front left wheel was going to break off. I had to give it extra gas to force it through the corners. It feels like the wheel is getting caught on something, causing the truck to buck through a turn.
Any additional thoughts?
(HIJINXX)
I am curious at why you would want to turn off your air suspension. I think that these systems are pretty safe of failure. I am sure that if you really wanted to, you could just go to coil springs in the back and the regular shocks in the front as in the non air suspension equipt Expeditions.
The 4WD system on Expeditions is a full-time set up. This meaning that it is ingaged in A4WD all of the time. A4WD can be used at anytime and on any surface of road (ashphalt, concrete, dirt, snow, etc). When placed in 4WD HI the vehicle cannot be driven on dry pavement. Only on loose surfaces (sand, dirt, snow, slush etc). This is so, because when the vehicle is in 4WD HI, the front axel is locked. When it's locked the two front wheels can't turn at different speeds (while making a turn), which is why it is so hard to turn on dry pavement (the front wheels are essentially fighting each other). When the surface is loose, the wheels can turn at the same speed because the loose ground will give. You may already know all of this, and if you do I appologize. However if this problem happends while your truck is in A4WD. Then you may have a problem with the 4WD system. You mentioned it being sporadic. Does this mean that on some turns it will be difficult to turn and others not? You may want to put your Expedition in 4WD HI and see if it acts the same. If it does then you may know that is the problem area. Goodluck! Let us know if you figure anything out.
I will take it in soon. The dealer said it was flat spots (have seen that mentioned before) on the tires and will go away. Dealer also mentioned balance/rotate may help.
I recently read a review somewhere (can't remember where) that mentioned this problem and the reviewer made a big deal about it - it may have been a comparison where the Expedition finished poorly.
I appreciate any response that may help.
I'm experiencing the exact same behavior that you're describing - especially when slowing down
Do you have any updates on this issue?
any input will be greatly appreciated.
The dealer replaced the problem part, change the gaskets and filter, and replaced all of the transmission fluid. I don't have a clue what all of that means, what caused the problem, and what can be done, if anything to avoid it in the future. Any feedback regarding this subject is greatly appreciated.
Thanks-
According to a Ford tech the new module released is SSM # 16675 and lists the part as # 2L1Z-14C708-BB (EXPEDITION & AVIATOR).
This is a known problem. We've had ours fixed and haven't noticed any problems since, but I don't drive the vehicle that often. One of the things the new module does is it limits how far down the mirrors tilt. I think one of the issues was that they were tilting past some type of stop or something.