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Steve, Host
What is worrisome on the Pilot is that even the 4500-lb limit is predicated on towing a boat, so there doesn't seem to be a lot of headroom there to begin with, or I think Honda would have said 4500 is fine with any load.
Another concern is whether Honda radically reduces allowable trailer weight when you start loading the vehicle. With back seat passengers and luggage, you may find that your 450-lb tongue weight goes away. There have been some discussions in the Ridgeline forum where two rear seat passengers more than halves the allowable tongue weight, which essentially reduces towing load from 5K to 2K. So if you're going to be loading the Pilot with passengers and luggage in addition, you could be beyond prudence and into foolishness.
Good luck,
- Mark
I like this feature, not only for the practical reason mentioned above, but also because it provides an audible feedback as to what gear you are in without having to look at the dash. Ever thought you were in R and really were in N?
Elliot
Very good elaboration.
Since Honda touts safety for every one, I hope they will have rear side airbag too. Better make it able to be turned off if necessary.
And they should put the VSA standard on every model.
Will they shed a few hundred pounds from Pilot? Recently there was an accident locally between a Pilot and a Geo something (Prizm?). All people in Geo died, but two in Pilot were severly injured too. Lighter weight may help to reduce braking distance.
Also the declining stock market is affecting my funds to buy with. Again, stock market decline primarily due at current time to rising oil prices Sort of a double whammy.
Ok, back to the Pilot.
Steve, Host
Just read a write-up in the Raleigh paper estimating price of Subaru will be $36,500. Hope that is top of the line. Compared to Acura, BMW, Didn't mention Pilot so previous comment about B9 being aimed at upscale market appears to be correct.
Still working getting on the Pilot.
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From everything I've heard, the Pilot is one fine SUV. I can't understand however, why people complain about the gas mileage. You are buying a 4,000 lb. truck, for Pete's sake!!! What do you expect, 40 miles per gallon? I think one should be happy with 15 mpg (US) in the city and maybe 20-22 on the highway. Be realistic! If you want a big vehicle like this, then don't carp abut gas mileage! Buy a Forester or X-trail instead!
I thought I remember someone on here that has a Pilot and a Odyssey. Is the Pilot more expensive to insure? My insurance person was making it sound like Pilots were fairly expensive for insurance.
Our Subaru Outback, Chevy Tahoe(4x4) and previous Plymouth Grand Voyager(2wd) all cost just bit over 600 per year. So I didn't see any diff between SUV and vans.
--jay
I had put the car in reverse with the parking brake on and the tail gate open to test it. There is a high pitch beep as you walk around the corner of the bumper, then it goes to a lower pitch directly behind, adn high again as you hit the other corner. Just today, I backed up out of a space and the sensor worked perfectly. My reverse sensor is the OEM Honda sensor with four sensors on the bumper.
amiret - My experience is the same as mtbdad -- The sensors on the corners emit a different tone than the two facing the back. If one of the tones is constantly beeping over the other no matter what is behind you, then your system is DEFINITELY malfunctioning. Sounds like you have a defective sensor.
Check out the user instructions on handaaccessories.com at http://www.handaaccessories.com/odyssey/backupsensor.pdf and you will see on step 5 on page 4 that there are supposed to be 2 different tones based on the rear or corner sensors.
Your system is defective and your dealer doesn't know what he's talking about.
Hope this helps!
Elliot
I take it you don't have or didn't read the manual. :-)
If I were you, I'd have a good word with the person at your dealership that said it's supposed to work that way, and see his/her reaction to the facts.
Elliot
Wow - sounds like this dealership needs a new finance manager.
In fact, I bet Mrs Dealership owner would happily tell Mr. Owner about this one.
You can lease USED cars - you can lease NEW cars
you can lease ALMOST NEW cars.
However, you shouldn't lease options you don't need like
the towing package.
You should read various people's experience with Pilot gas mileage I
don't know your Yukon mileage but I've seen 15-20 MPG
real world numbers from the Pilot. It seems to get better
after break-in.
There seems to be plenty of Pilot inventory these days -
you should have plenty of choice.
In my household the 5 star crash rating and good visibility
helped make the sale.
--SRL
- VCM
- full compliment of airbags
- upgraded leather (no perforations)
- interior and exterior styling changes
Also, Since it only shuts the same cylinders each time, will there be an issue of uneven wear on the cylinders? Please let the Ody folks try it out for a while first.
Airbags - Neutral. Ok but will raise the price. I personally don't care.
Upgraded leather - Nice but what they have is nice too.
Interior and Exterior styling changes. Would like to see before comment. Anybody see something at one of the auto shows? Hope it isn't like the Ridgeline front end.
Kinda wanted to go ahead and get an 05 but if they are restyling, then I might have to wait since the price on the "old models" will drop.
VCM seems to have mixed opinions. One comment I've picked up on is that the people that are not seeing improved MPG tend to be faster drivers (80's+). I've also seen people getting 30, so who knows. Driving style probably plays a big part. Some people only get 13 on the current Pilot, while others are low 20's. Go figure.
Nobody knows what the styling changes will be yet. I've been to a couple auto shows so far and the Honda people have no clue. They supposedly have to redo the interior a bit though to get the air bags to fit (2nd row). Rumor of a little more legroom in the 3rd row too.
I expect the styling to be a bit edgier though, as that seems to be Honda's direction. The Pilot seems to be the plain one of the lineup now.
1) We've owned SUVs in the past and missed being able to go off-road even if it's jsut down to a river's edge to let the dogs go for a swim.
2) At 49,000 km it got a second transmission due to whinning noise. Then almost exactly a year later at only 70,000 km it gave my wife grief on a trip to the mountains and when she got back home they said it needed a 3rd transmission. The guy at the shop said that the 2nd one wasn't likely new but rebuilt - so we figured that if it's some sort of congenital defect with secondary parts wearing/failing - then they may just be recycling the problem until the warranty was up.
Otherwise a great van and we still miss it.
I purchased a new Honda Pilot 2005 in February of 05. I don't recall if I noticed a hesitation when I first bought it but I surely do now. The same problem your having when rounding a turn without coming to a complete stop is the same problem I'm having. It is driving me absolutely nuts. I read that you've been to 2 different dealers and they found nothing wrong. I'm wondering if maybe there's going to be a recall with the trans. It just doesn't seem normal to have to drive this way. I glad I'm not the only one with this problem. It almost makes it not fun to drive--very annoying.
Well I just hope it's a problem that can be fixed in the future.
Jennifer.
The Odyssey had a lot more utility in terms of space - it jsut lacked ground clearance and 4wd.
My other favorite was the Subaru Forester, but the rollover rating is even higher (16%).
Maybe somebody will be able to explain me this.
Thanks,
Pablo