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I think the LLC's should move over and the speeders need to slow down.
My philosophy os if you can do at least speed limit you don't have a legitment complaint so just be happy.
But then again most of my usual interstate driving is at the breakneck speed of 25MPH.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Yesterday I pulled into the parking lot of the hotel I was staying in, with a Mazda3 rental. The spots closest to the entrance are small and are clearly signed "compact car only". One spot was open. Versa on one side; but an Acura RL on the other. Barely enough room to squeeze in. But I did anyway. If it were my own car, I probably wouldn't have done it, because of possible door damage when the oaf with the Acura got in the car and (likely) flung the doors open (assuming there was a passenger). But heck, I had a rental car. Was able to squeeze out w/o hitting the Acura (although I did think for a second about opening my driver's door wider).
If I have time and some paper and pen, sometimes I'll leave an educational note on the idiot's windshield, i.e. "FYI: this is NOT a compact car." Which I'm sure won't do any good at all, except maybe make me feel better for a moment.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Plenty of room for misinterpretation and abuse... tho I will agree that an Expedition should definitely NOT be in one of those.
I kinda figured the spaces were small enough that it would be self-policing just because a car that was too big wouldn't really fit.
A couple days ago I was driving down one of our through streets... 2 lanes each direction, separated by a grass median with trees, 45 mph SL with decently spaced signal lights. I see a funeral procession headed the opposite direction and go about my business. No problem hanging back behind one, nor allowing one to cross, but figure it's no big deal when it's over on the other side. Then I notice traffic ahead of me slowing... a LOT. I make sure there is room and move over into the left lane, and see that the driver about 3 cars ahead of me in the right lane had stopped! No shoulder, actually a curb at the edge of the lane, so he was well and truly in traffic.
And this in a town where you hardly EVER see people stop/move over to make way for ambulances going the SAME direction.
Tow them, dent them, boot them, sticker them...whatever you want to do. I have no sympathy for the inconsiderate in the consequences of their selfishness.
There is a line drawn across the end of the parking space. If you extend past that line you get towed. Plain and simple.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Without running tests, it seems to me 2 car examples that seem to "fit" albeit TIGHT are the "OLD" Austin MiniCooper and 1970 VW Beetle. Both are dimensionally smaller and less weighty than their current real life updated equivalents. In the VW's case, 1800#s vs 2950#s to 3,300#'s .
2 other pieces of stupidity are the current "painted" front and rear bumpers , and lack of left/right side door protection. You look at either cock eyed and its an easy $400.00 bill to repair and repaint.
Unfortunately, no. As I mentioned in my earlier post, the idiots who don't know or don't care that their vehicle is NOT a compact (see: common sense) simply take up more than one parking space. This is related to the inconsiderate behavior of parking at an angle, so that you block others from parking next to you. I love it when I have a rental car and I can park alongside one of those folks, with my car so close to their vehicle (because they are in my parking space) it will be difficult if not impossible for them to get into their vehicle through the driver's door. They'll have to enter from the other side and climb over to the driver's seat. Hopefully they are carrying a bunch of stuff in their hands/arms e.g. Starbucks, briefcase etc. when they do that.
There's a new supermarket not far from me with a parking garage, and 80% of the spaces seem to be "compact". Of course, it is in an affluent area, so the place is filled with X5s and Range Rovers and the like. Guess where they park...
The planners have sneakily fought back though. To discourage automobile use, they aren't fighting the variances and are letting businesses open with fewer than the "normal" number of spaces available. Get a bike. :P
You say the guy was then right on your bumper. OK. We can understand the guy wants to go fast. But, that Accord driver and others we see similarly are just about the most dangerous, next to drunk driving, out there. An intelligent and considerate fast driver would see you were not camping and right lane was clogged and would just back off and then wait until the right lane had slots and you moved over.
On the inconsiderate note, took a drive around the area today, didn't see too much other than several LLCs. High gas prices must be giving them the self-righteous justification they need. The best was an oldster on 512 who couldn't have been going more than 50 in the left lane...seriously.
The interstate I most often use passes a huge retirement city. I see "oldsters" on the interstate and have to say they usually stay in right lane. See some of them smartly going a good speed in left lane, not blocking anyone.
The folks I see in left as campers are of various ages, both men and women, and many kinds of vehicles. ,But, one thing by my observation is that campers very rarely are driving enthusiast cars such as Porsche, Corvette, Audi, BMW, current ver Mustang, etc.
In my area anyway, the tailgaters and weavers usually seem to drive those Audis and BMWs mentioned, along with doped out Civics and the like.
LLCing has an effect of increasing traffic, gridlock, pollution, and wasted gas. It also decreases safety.
Speeding has no effect on any of those things when done in a reasonable and safe manner in the left/fast lane. :P
Not if you are LLCing and impeding traffic it doesn't. You are still illegal regardless of speed or the speed limit.
Why should I have to inconvinece myself simply because you are impatient? You keep on saying people should drive legally with regards to LLC'ing why don't you apply the same reasoning to speed?
You can't be serious? Inconvenience to move right 10' and use the turn out lane to let people pass? I mean seriously? It is courteous to simply let people pass that want to pass, and to make it as easy and as safe as possible for them to do so. Delaying and impeding traffic only gets exponentially worse as you lengthen the time period you do it for.
Speed limits don't deserve respect because most are set at a limit that generates revenue rather than based on safety and appropriate speed. If all speed limits were set using the legal 85th percentile method that all traffic engineers agree is the best way to set speed limits, then we can start talking about speed limits being relevant. The way they are set today, they are irrelevant.
There are hundreds of reasons the LLC laws make sense and are valid. LLC increases accidents, reduces safety, increases traffic, congestion, and gridlock. It wastes time and productivity and significantly affects our national GDP due to wasted manhours on the road thanks to LLC's.
Speed limits enjoy no such rationalization for their existance. Speed limits exist for one sole purpose, to generate revenue. In the United States, there is no other reason for speed limits on some interstate freeways. Europe gets along fine without them.
Would you be so happy to putter along at the speed limit if your loved one was in the car bleeding to death as you make your way to the hospital?
Game, Set, Match!
I am not stupid enough to that. I know when/how to call 911.
Please post the links for each of those tenets.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
How many times have you driven someone to the hospital who was bleeding to death?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Please post link showing that increased speed does not use more fuel and increase pollution and waste gasoline.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
If one LLC's then by definition they are impeding traffic .
Impeding traffic will cause others behind you to slow down.
Slowing down will cause more drivers to spend more time on the road than otherwise.
More road and driving time leads to more fuel spent, sometimes idling in bumper to bumper traffic.
More fuel spent means more exhaust let out, which means more pollution. More wasted gas.
It all depends on what speed you are increasing from? If an LLCer causes traffic to move along at 35 due to compounding vs. the speed limit of 65, then you certainly will get better mileage going faster.
Most modern cars will hit the sweet spot mileage wise around 65 MPH. Anything less than 55 and your mileage goes way down. Also, LLC"s could cause a person going 25 MPH faster to slow down 30 MPH, then speed back up 30 MPH, wasting tons of gas. If they weren't LLCing, no such blockage, braking, and acceleration would be necessary.
Say your a mile from the hospital, or your cell phone's non-existant, then what?
Just an example. Could be any real reason to surpass the speed limits. The point being is that speed limits as currently set represent no meaning other than potentially exposing you to revenue generation schemes and tactics of law enforcement through the use of fines. Those set to the 85th percentile speed for safety and engineering reasons excepted! Those are few and far between unfortunately.
I was running 78mph on cruise control, in the right lane. I admit I wasn't keeping an eagle eye on the mirror, but 'from out of nowhere' appears some kind of smaller car ?Focus? coming up on me, fast. When I saw it, it was in the left lane, with it's lights on. It started flashing the highbeams. Several times. I was not wobbling, weaving, had turn signal on - nothing, just on cruise in right lane. It went by at what I estimate was about 95mph, and pulled into my right lane much closer to my car's nose than I thought was needed. Then a few seconds later, ran off the road onto the paved shoulder, then jerked it back. Continued on, still faster than me. Could see the car passing other cars until I lost sight of it. But, after about 10 or 15 miles, as I was nearing 'town' but still 70mph speed limit, I caught up to the car. Young girl, talking on a cell phone. I dropped back and did not pass because I didn't want in front of her.
Just what the H--- was going on there?
That's all we ask.
YMMV. I get the best FE on my Sentra (with CVT) in the 40-50 mph range. I find 50-55 to be the sweet spot for most cars... not 65. But over 70 there's a big reduction in mpg I've found.
Beware when I get back into the left lane and cut a little close, you might have a heart attack :shades:
Just stay in the lane where you belong, and those of us in high performance highly maintained cars that probably cruise at 3000rpm at a speed faster than militant LLCs have ever driven in their little lives can go on their way. And hope you don't get called in as a suspected drunk
We called in a pair of cars on Saturday to the State Patrol number. In a 15-mile construction zone, the junky old Honda was about 8-10 feet behind me. Mind you this is in a single lane eastbound on I-70. The construction has one lane for trucks on the old roadbed and the other lane uses the roadbed for the westbound lane separated from the westbound traffic by concrete portawalls. Speed limit 55. There is a red pickup truck in front of me a few hundred feet and cars in front of him all going, drumroll, 56 miles per hour. Sorry honey, I can't go any faster.
As soon as the lane merged back over to the 3 lanes on the normal east bound side, the Honda was very close behind me in the left lane (at 65 miles per hour) and then zipped around in the far right lane since there were semis in the center lane which is where the construction truck lane fed them. Then the "girl" in the GM SUV behind the Honda "girl" was behind and then mouthing something and pointing to the right.
We called them in as druggies or drunks. They were clearly together as they dangerously sped on at 80 miles per hour. I thought the State Patrol might have the airplane out and they did, but they didn't catch either of these "girls."
Sorry, when you're doing the speed limit and have a driver distracting by tailgating it's impossible to safely move over in between trucks and cars. Looks to me like the danger is the speeders who are on drugs or something.
As soon as the dangerous drivers were past and not putting the rest of us in danger, I moved into the center and right hand lanes.
Also, I didn't see anyone in either car who seemed to be bleeding to death.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That doesn't make any sense and it's a physical impossiblity to be true. A car behind you has no effect on you whatsoever in your ability to move over to the right lane safely. By definition they are behind you, even if tailgating, and that does not impede your movement rightward in any way, shape, or form.
It is illogical.
Keep on telling yourself that. However you repeating it doesn't make it true.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
First of all you have no moral ground to comaplain when someone does something illegal since you do advocate breaking the law. Anyway my example was primarialy two lane roads where there is no right to keep to.
You can't be serious?
I am serious, just bid your time and wait for an opportunity to pass. Chill out and be mellow you will make the roads safer and you will enjoy life so much more.
and to make it as easy and as safe as possible for them to do so.
That is done by maintaining my speed and not trying to cut them off when they do try to pass. On two lanes roads thats all I am required to do.
Speed limits don't deserve respect
You don't respectthem because you don't agree with them. And don't give me that 85% rule because many times it is simply wrong. There is a road by me, about 3.25 miles long with a 35 MPH SL. I usually do 40 and I would say that about 50% of the time someone comes flying up on me doing 50+. there is no way in heck that anything over 45 on that street is safe, and 45 is pushing it. There are way to many idoits out there that think that they are great drivers. If there weren't there would be a lot less than 16K posts on this thread.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
No I would not be happy, nor would I be happy doing 10 over the limit, nor 25 over the limit nor any speed.
I would be happy with this new thing we have in our neighborhood called ambulances. I would be happy with that.
Game, Set, Match!
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I have a few times, but that was when I was in the service as a Hospital Corpsman (or Corpseman if you're Obama). But then again we stabilized the patient before transportation, so I guess bleeding to death isn't the correct statement.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Blantently false unless the LLC somehow disrupts time and space and makes the trip longer. Once you get above a certain speed milage goes down dramatically. So while driving 60 MPH keeps you on the road longer than driving 80 you will use up less gas per mile driven.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Amen. X2
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Unintended Acceleration - Find the Cause
Maybe some of y'all need to play the Auto Safety Game too.
This speaker would be fun to hear:Do We Really Need Traffic Lights? (Fox video)
That being said, there needs to be a massive movement to make traffic "engineers" work for their salaries and solid platinum benefits, and actually sequence lights and and optimize controls.