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It seems to me that ALL enforcement has taken a back seat to speed, because with the advent of radar, speed is the one offense that can be "proven." And the easy generation of revenue will always win out over actually keeping the highways safer.
LLCs: I have the right to block the left lane to stop lawbreakers
Left Lane Speedsters: Leave me the 'eff' alone!!! (well, saving the cops, that is)
One is a nosy busybody that feels the need to force others to live as they dictate, and the other wants to be left alone. Which is an anathama to nosy busybodies; therefore, speedsters elicit the undying rage of the LLC crowd.
For they will not live by the LLC demands.
But seriously, 20 hours pay for 8 hours work is hard to pass up.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
It's not the fault of the cars that their drivers are idiots.
(BTW, No business I owned was ever inherited and there were four of them purchased during my independent productive years.)
Remember to attend the next union meeting. The Program: How to carry picket signs during a strike." :P
Nope, don't work for the Lazy B, I let my own efforts determine my salary - which is much more than I'd make if I lived in the SW WA land of clueless slow drivers, high dropout rates, and homemade drug industries :P
The ones I hate are the ones that try to go really fast when that 2nd passing lane comes up on a 2 lane highway, and you are forced to go REALLY REALLY fast in the right lane to pass the guy in the left that used to be going slow until there was a passing lane.
That happens more often than it should.
If by that you mean pretty much any time a passing lane comes up, yes, I agree with you! It is so terribly annoying.
Honestly, I don't really care how slow a person wants to drive as long as they pick a speed and stick with it.
I came across so many of those drivers on the way down to Anchorage a couple weeks ago... they would drive 10-15 under the limit, then any time an opportunity to pass would arise, they would miraculously drive 10 over.
No if you are talking about a second lane in your direction due to going up a hill used for passing my experience is that the driver usually slows down due to climbing the hill.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Too many passive agressive LLC's.
This is also one of my pet peeves. I'm always amazed how someone can drive slowly and then speed up when the passing lane comes.
I also get a chuckle when you are behind someone going below the speed limit for miles. Then when the passing lane forms on the right, they stay in the left lane, despite all the signs that say "Passing Lane" and "Slower drivers keep right", etc.
No not always, however my experience is that is the norm.
some will slow due to the hill, and some slow campers will speed up regardless of the situation and hog the Left lane (passing lane only) while at it.
I don't see this happing very often and a lot of times their increase of speed is just enough to tell me that they are over compensating for the hill.
Therefore on a road with little opportunity to pass (passing lanes being scarce and far apart), you'll be forced to pass on the right and really go after it as they race you to the finish line.
I find this example to be a very small part of the equation.
Too many passive agressive LLC's.
Too many actively agressive speeders.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
May I ask you how often to you see this happening? I travel a lot of two lane country roads and I rarely see people speed up when there is an opportunity to pass them. On hills there may be a mild increase in speed with some people but not enough to make me think that they are trying to keep me from passing. Just enough to make me think that they are compensating a little to much for the hill.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
:confuse:
My method of passing these folks is to be beside them for a minimum amount of time, so if I'm going to pass, I'm really going to pass and use all the horsepower I have available to me to do so as suddenly as possible
If I can surprise them I should be able to complete my pass just as their slushbox Toyota transmission completes it's downshift for them
The other pet peeve... where there is no passing lane and you are forced to venture into oncoming traffic's lane to pass (almost always long straights where you can see ahead for a mile where the double yellows turn to broken line). I've noticed that the drivers that go like a snail in the twisties like to drive like a rabbit on the straightaway. I'm not sure if it's because they are incompetent on turns and are bored of themselves and their own driving so much so that they have to go fast on a straight, or because they are a passive aggressive blocker that doesn't want anyone to pass without going over 80 MPH.
I live in western Washington state and this sort of thing happens quite frequently too. We have lots of hills, big trees, and roads follow shorelines around Puget Sound. We have lots of mountains too. Long, straight stretches don't come up that often.
I don't blame anyone for wanting to feel safe in their car and to drive under the speed limit around curves. However, when the road does open up for those short, straight stretches, why not be considerate and let those behind you pass easily. Why speed up and go faster than the speed limit?
Of course we also have a law that requires drivers to pull over when holding up 5 or more vehicles. Usually RV's are considerate about this but drivers of cars rarely pull over even when there is a pull-out section designed just for this sort of thing.
Snake-- I realize that you are in a different part of the country so roads (and maybe even drivers) may be different. However, when traveling those sorts of roads for me, I find it occurs more often than not on a trip... so much so that I actually expect it to happen now.
That's the truth, too! I suppose, in a way, that it is not a poor expectation to have. If other drivers exhibit this behavior, it does not become so frustrating/disappointing because it was expected. If other drivers do not exhibit the behavior, it is as appreciated as a breath of fresh air after a stint in a locker room. :P
I do a lot of driving on back two lane country roads here in the Midwest and usually have no issues with passing people. The only times when I will have issues like that is when I am in the Chicago metro area or going to one of the larger "resort/vacation" areas nearby where the traffic volume is a lot heavier.
As for the acceleration after leaving twisty roads, there are many places around here that have very twisty roads but to be fair they twist enough to require much slower speeds. Many of these roads you get the speed racer types that want to test/prove their driving skills and race through them. There have been times when I am driving through them at a reasonable safe speed and speed racer will run up behind me, then when we get back to the more straight roads the idiot will try to pass just after I hit resume on the cruise control.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You already know the guy wants to pass, why do that and cause the car to accelerate and race him to not be able to pass you on the straight? Now some cars' cruise controls accelerate faster than others, I've noticed. But for the most part, they accelerate at a good clip, which isn't something you want to do when someone's trying to pass you.
Basically in CA there are a lot of those quaint (archaic is more like it, but I digress) roads. So if the perp is impeding 5 or more cars, the law directs the perp to get off the road to let others pass (turn out, rest stop, short passing lanes take a smoke break, etc)
Another example of the speedsters trying to be aggressive rather than safe. Why wouldn't the other driver wait to see the final speed of the car they're tailgating before decided to pass and speed on down the public roads above the limit.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Several reasons:
1) They would assume that common courtesy dictates if the driver was going well below speed limits in the twisties (and probably slower than is reasonable for their vehicle which is why they want to pass immediately), they shouldn't suddenly go the speed limit on the straight and make the pass difficult. With a little common courtesy, exceeding the speed limit would be unnecessary.
2) They already know that said (camper, truck, SUV, bus, other slow handling vehicle) is going way too slow in the twisties. No one driving a capable car wants to drive at the lowest common denominator of vehicle capabilities. Do you really think someone in an M3 wants to follow a Buick for miles and miles in the twisties?
3) What is safe for your typical buick is a speed far below what is safe in the M3. Remember, the yellow signs of speed on curves is just a guideline, and not a speed limit. It's a guideline for Camry's, Buicks, buses, and large heavy vehicles, not good handling vehicles.
A superior driver of any vehicle will not feel emotional, but will due to his extensive experience, know how to handle the situation with aplomb.
Add the M3 to the list of crazies? :P
There is as much "emotion" involved with playing LLC speed deputy as there is in road raging. Whether or not the driver has the stones to admit it is another story...
Yesterday I saw a fun one - typical old [non-permissible content removed] on a Harley riding beside a "new resident" looking driver in an E-class. Harley rider makes the typical unskilled move of swinging wide to turn (it's a ridiculous bike, not a semi), and rides the lane divider line, so the E driver gently toots the horn to remind the bike that a 4000lb car is beside it. Biker gets mad, shakes his fist, gives a finger. Classy, the Seattle area Harley poser. A cop was watching it all and didn't bat an eye.
Also got behind a new Expedition (looked to be a rental - base model, new plates, no frames) merging onto a highway. Insanely slow on the long downhill ramp until it got to the highway, then guns it and veers across a few lanes. People around here chronically can't merge properly. What a country.
The trifecta yesterday was a likely satellite child in a new style Maserati coupe who veered left across three lanes of tight city traffic, getting a few horns blared in the process. Yay trust funders.
I've never heard of such a law or rule. Is that really the law in CA? Do other states have this law?
I see slow cars "leading the parade" all the time, with multiples of five vehicles following. Sometimes it's a heavy truck or RV, which is frustrating, but understandable. Sometimes it's just a slowpoke driving 10 MPH under the speed limit on a two-lane road where you can't easily pass. Either way, they should pull over, but seldom do.
That's a laugh. Tailgating left lane dominators who want to flagrantly exceed the speed limit are worried about "common courtesy." Earlier the person tailgating through the curve portions of the OP's description was one of the speed demons.
>What is safe for your typical buick is a speed far below what is safe in the M3.
Once again we're down to that over assessment some have of their own driving skills based on a belief that their vehicle is much safer or more secure to stick to the road than other cars.
Earlier the person tailgating through the curve portions of the OP's description was one of the speed demons.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
So add that to the VW Audi model drivers?
>A superior driver of any vehicle will not feel emotional, but will due to his extensive experience, know how to handle the situation with aplomb.
That's especially true.
What I note is that a good fraction of the drivers who are speeders and aggressive driving on the shared highways seem to have bought the car they and to drive the way they due because of some psychosexual need of some kind to compensate for deficiencies that they seem to feel.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Sometimes we can't help it if we are tourists.
No, I knew that the guy wanted to go faster than I was doing on the 35 MPH twisty hilly road. I did not know if the guy would want to go faster than me on the relatively straight and flat 55 MPH road that lies ahead.
why do that
Because the speed limit increases and I am going back to my previous speed.
and cause the car to accelerate and race him to not be able to pass you on the straight?
It is because I am doing nothing different than if I am not being followed. As I come out of the final curve I hit resume on the cruise control. My driving is no different regardless of who is following me. And as I said before I have no ideal what our speed differences would be on the straight flat road so do I let him pass only to get stuck behind him and have to pass him 1/4 mile down the road?
In situations like that you are supposed to wait until the lead vehicle stops accelerating before attempting to overtake it. If you are following a slower vehicle and have the opportunity to pass when the speed limit changes you should wait for that car to settle at the new speed before passing.
It's not that I am speeding up to prevent the pass, just resuming previous speeds.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
If you have Car A and Car B and:
1) Car A has .9 G capabililty while Car B has .70 G in a turn.
2) Car A can stop from 60 MPH in 115' while Car B takes 135' to do the same.
3) Car A can get up to 60 from 0 in 6 seconds while Car B takes 10 seconds to do the same.
Then the correct scientific conclusion is that Car A is much safer than Car B and therefore can be driven to higher thresholds of safety. Now if the driver of Car A thinks his car can do 1.1 G's on a switchback turn, he might be overconfident. If driver of Car B thinks his car can do .9 G's on the same turn, he's probably in for the same rude awakening.
And therein lies the problem. People like you (sorry) don't know the laws of how to drive, yet still have a license to drive, and that IS the problem.
Part of this is poor enforcement as the only reason people know about speed limit laws is because they are the easiest to generate revenue off of and get enforced the most. Most people learn their first lesson when a citation is issued, or as is more often the case, when they get into their first accident.
I have checked the IL state statues for that and the only thing I found was that you could not prevent someone from legally enjoying a public highway. I will take that to mean that if I am doing 65 MPH in a 55 and someone wants to go faster i am not preventing him or her from the legal enjoyment of the road.
Then again in IL with few exceptions stretches of roads longer than say 5 miles without a significant passing zones are few and far between.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Thats exactly what you are supposed to do. I can tell you the number of times I was passed in such a situation when within a mile I was having to pass them simply because their cruising speed was lower than mine.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You do realize you assumed this guy was "tailgating" you, and that tailgating is a subtle (some would argue an unsubtle) way of telling you to get out of the way. I think it's safe to assume they want to pass 99.9 % of the time. It's not that they want to go fast in the straight, it's that they don't want to still be behind you when the next set of twisties comes up.
Some people enjoy driving a well engineered car close to it's limits and capabilities (8/10's driving) on the roads, and it's perfectly safe to do so without traffic getting in the way. It has nothing to do with making up for sexual shortcomings or anything of that nature (I think men that buy Hummers might have that issue), but has a lot to do with simply enjoying the driving experience and pleasure of a great twisty road with a fun to drive vehicle. There is nothing worse then having that drive ruined for miles upon miles by some camper who is completely oblivious (or acts like it) driving a Toyota or Buick at 3/10ths.
Who said anything about going well below the speed limit? Read my post I said I was driving at a reasonable rate of speed. It was the hot rod speeder that wanted to test their driving skills by driving fast on the twisted roads. The example I thinking of has a 25 MPH SL and no car could take some of those curves over 30MPH safely.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I never heard of a back road with a 25 MPH SL unless a school is within 100 yards AND children are present!!!
Most default Speed Limits on rural roads in CA are 55 MPH. Remember, the yellow signs on curves that list a speed are not a speed limit, simply a guideline for the worst handling vehicle money can buy. I typically find that going between 1.75 times to double the yellow sign in my A3 makes for an enjoyable experience.
I've never met a 25 MPH speed limit in CA where 30 MPH would be the limit of safety for MOST cars on the road today. The speed limits in CA must be much lower than the one's in your home state.
If I blew by a turnout to let a faster guy go by on accident I'd feel compelled to slow down and pretty much come to a stop to make it easy for him to pass me with as little as 100 feet of straight.
Then I guess you never heard of narrow roads with a series of very tight switchback turns with limited sight lines and no shoulder.
Most default Speed Limits on rural roads in CA are 55 MPH.
As are here in IL, but there are a few lengths of road where the roads twists and turns enough to require lowering the speed limit. We are not talking about a yellow advisory sign but an actual reduction in speed limits. I don't know what to say about you not knowing that such stretches of road exist.
I typically find that going between 1.75 times to double the yellow sign in my A3 makes for an enjoyable experience.
I will say this with 100% accuracy that if you take some of the curves on this stretch of road that I am thinking of at 1.75 times the SL will get you at the very least a visit to you local friendly body shop.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
If that is true then the only logical conclusion is that your state does a much better job then CA at setting realistic safe speed limits.
Most of the speed limits in CA are set so low that everyone knows they are completely bogus, and not based on one iota of safety. Much of the reason they are ignored by the public unless Johnny Law Taxation Via Fine is near.
30 years later and I'm still irritated with the dufus.
Great. Take Car A out to the track and go crazy. Don't expect the world to move out of your way on two-lane roads because you have a Wundercar and want to fully exercise its amazing powers on the public byways.