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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Saw a new resident looking couple in a recently plated Lexus GS (someone actually bought one after 2008?) turn right from a straight turn only lane today. That was fun!
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    turn right from a straight turn only lane today.

    trying to visualize a "straight turn".

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    I used the term for effect :shades:
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,676
    I'm glad you enjoyed the visit, shrifty!

    The Seward Highway, which is easily the second-busiest in Alaska next to the Glenn Highway between Anchorage and Palmer, has come a LONG way in the last twenty years (wow - I can't believe it has been that long, honestly!). Back in 1991, it was a narrow, windy two-laner all the way to its ends (Seward or Homer). There were three or four relatively short three-lane sections for passing, and a few more stretches graced with a dotted yellow line, but other than that it was a matter of going the speed of the slowest vehicle on the road for hour, after hour, after hour....

    Winter also sees much lighter traffic on the highway than during the summer months. Once the snow melts, traffic flow to the peninsula grows hand over fist between out-of-state visitors and residents going to enjoy dip-netting, deep-sea fishing, fly fishing, hiking, etc. Mix the two, and things can get ugly unless drivers are courteous.

    Here in interior Alaska, traffic tends to be much lighter - a fact for which I am quite grateful. :shades:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • timadamstimadams Member Posts: 294
    shrifty, we're talking about two different things. I agree with you about keep right to pass, which is on multi-lane highways. PA passed that law a couple of years ago, but I would be surprised if more than a handful of tickets have been written.

    I was referencing a statute that pertains to two-lane road, and states that a driver who is impeding traffic should pull over and let other vehicles around. But it specifically states that impeding traffic only applies at speeds under the speed limit.
  • timadamstimadams Member Posts: 294
    edited June 2011
    Regarding keep right except to pass, I encountered a particularly stubborn LLC yesterday, and he was on a motorcycle. I came up behind him, and he failed to move over. So, I moved over to the right, and he immediately increased his speed by more than 5 MPH, and I got boxed in. So, I had to get behind him again to pass another car, and he slowed down again, and I had to follow for more than a mile. When the right lane was clear, again he didn't move over. When I had the opportunity, I again moved over into the right lane to pass. Again, he increased his speed, apparently trying to block me in again. I floored it and was able to get around him and into the left lane to pass a couple of cars. As I went by him, I looked over and he had the gall to give me a dirty look, as if I was the one interfering with traffic flow.

    When I looked back, he was now right next to the car in the right lane, matching it's speed. The last time I looked in my mirror, he had three or four cars piled up behind him and he was still right next to the car in the right lane. I guess he was having CHiP fantasies, and thought he was enforcing the speed limit.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,940
    That is an odd one. I see plenty of motorcycles flying along the highways, splitting lanes, etc. this is quite the opposite.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • timadamstimadams Member Posts: 294
    It was an older guy, on an old cycle. He certainly was in no hurry, but sure seemed like he felt entitled to hang out in the left lane no matter what was going on around him. As dangerous as LLCing is in a car, it sure looked a lot more dangerous on a cycle.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,923
    A hood mounted RPG weapon would work just as good on a car as it would a motorcycle for that kind of LLC.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Had a relatively close call today with a dope in a Ranger - phone up to his ear. Nice to see our beloved not overpaid LEOs are enforcing this law. I wonder if actual proof exists of anyone receiving an infraction.
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    I saw that after snake pointed it out. I was thrown off a bit by the subject of Left lane domination.

    I wasn't aware of the law that you were referencing, but it would be nice to see it enforced! I would agree with this law, but it would be nice to have the courtesy of being able to get around the "slower" vehicle, even if they are doing the limit :)
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    I went skiing at Alyeska a few days while I was there, very scenic. Next trip to Alaska will be in the summer. Long flight up, but worth it!
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited June 2011
    I saw some driving behavior today that was mystifying. I can't call it LLC because from what I observed, this driver, in a Highlander, wasn't trying to actually block people. He (or she, it was nearly dark and I never caught a good look at the driver with their heavily-tinted windows) apparently decided that the steering wheel on the SUV would not turn to the right so they were not about to move to the right lane. They drove for many miles in the left lane. But they kept changing speeds. Sometimes they were creeping along at 5-10 below the limit, so I would pass by them in the right lane (I was on cruise control at a couple over the limit). Then after awhile they would speed up, sometimes quite a bit, and shoot ahead of me until I lost sight of them. Then I'd catch up to them again, etc. Their behavior didn't seem to change when someone came up behind them. They didn't move over of course, so the other driver had to pass on the right. But this Highlander could have easily set up a block by just pacing me if he/she wanted to. Then I might have been forced to do something.

    I chalk it up to a driver who either had no idea of the rules of the road, or didn't care.

    Oh, on the same stretch there was another Highlander, about the same year, driving along in the dark w/o lights on. I guess they finally noticed theirs was the only car on the road w/o lights and put them on, because they passed me (again) awhile later--they must have stopped off for awhile.

    But my favorite of the night: a big red pickup flashed by me at what must have been triple-digit speeds. About 30 minutes later I saw a patrol car on the shoulder, lights flashing, and the officer was having a discussion with the driver of that pickup. The driver looked quite upset. Maybe he was trying to explain to the officer that his uber-pickup was more than capable of safely driving the speed he was clocked at. :D
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    >driving along in the dark w/o lights on. I

    There seem to be some brands of cars that skip on the $2 it would cost to install a sensor for automatic lights on at dusk. Even my Cobalt has that.

    >was trying to explain to the officer that his uber-pickup was more than capable of safely driving the speed he was clocked at.

    And that he was a superior driver to those "other" people the state allows to use "his" road.

    I recall a person I worked with talking about in the 70s how he was clocked in his Chevy on I-75 at speeds of 120+. The trooper asked him why he was driving so fast on HIS (the troopers) road. No ticket.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I recall a person I worked with talking about in the 70s how he was clocked in his Chevy on I-75 at speeds of 120+. The trooper asked him why he was driving so fast on HIS (the troopers) road. No ticket.

    Every now and again I hear someone tell the story of how they were clocked at very high speeds and didn't get a ticket. I seriously doubt that very many, if any, are true. It seems to be just bar talk.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,940
    I seriously doubt that very many, if any, are true. It seems to be just bar talk.

    You would be surprised. I was tagged a long while back doing around 100 in a 65. I knew I was "dead to rights" so I pulled over and waited for the officer. There was no sense in having him chase me down.

    He was really cool about the whole thing. I had forgotten to put my new insurance card in the glovebox, so that is the ticket I received. He could have easily written up that plus the speeding, plus reckless driving.

    Also, a lot of people have family in law enforcement, a quick name drop can make all the difference.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • timadamstimadams Member Posts: 294
    You would be surprised. I was tagged a long while back doing around 100 in a 65. I knew I was "dead to rights" so I pulled over and waited for the officer. There was no sense in having him chase me down. He was really cool about the whole thing.

    Despite the hysteria from the safety-nannies, most cops realize that speeding isn't dangerous under certain conditions. A logical, thinking person realizes that going faster than permanent metal signs along the road may or may not be a dangerous thing to do, given varying conditions - weather, daylight, traffic volume, and yes, even type of vehicle and driver ability. Even if the big reflective sign indicates "55 MPH" is the speed limit, the safe speed may be as low as 15 MPH in heavy fog, it might be 35 MPH if it's snowing, and it might be 100 MPH on a dry day with no traffic.

    I've talked to a number of cops about speeding tickets, and they'll privately admit they need to write up tickets as part of their job. Some write more than others, most realize that a lot of speed limits are too low, and some are completely aware of the speeder vs. cop game. A cop buddy of mine doesn't write anybody up unless they're going at least 15 MPH over, unless they are the weaving, obnoxious type.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2011
    And the NHTSA figures back up what you say.

    It is another reason why enforcement camera's readily demonstrate they are really only for revenue enhancement.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    With varying speeds like that, I'd suspect cell phone/texting.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    I was kind of inconsiderate this morning - ran a red light. Well, really not that bad - apparently a light sensor broke yet again as I sat there for too long, then gave up and went as it was obvious the light wasn't going to change for a long time.

    Also saw a Prius merge onto a highway amusingly - 10 under the yellow sign on the curvy on-ramp, then floors it when the lane straightens out, almost hits highway speed, veers into the leftmost lane and then goes ~5 under to around the speed limit with traffic going by on the right. !@#$% hybrid drivers.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    edited June 2011
    > I seriously doubt that very many, if any, are true.

    This one is true. This would have been back in the 60s when there was little traffic on that interstate back when it was being built in parts. It was very early in the morning and friend was just blowing the soot out of his 327 IIRC. He said the trooper was a very large, tall fellow.

    I heard the story many different times over the years and it always was the same story.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2011
    Yes, I can actually vouch for 2 such similar scenarios.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2011
    From the way you posted, it raises the question, is the number one lane the "commuter lane"? Most folks do not follow the consequence/s and realize the #2 lane now becomes the defacto "passing or fast" lane. I do realize that a lot of folks treat the scenario as one slower moving MOSH PIT.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    He was merging onto a 3 lane + carpool major highway, early morning, light traffic. I don't think he got into the carpool lane, but instantly got into the left lane although he was not moving at any remarkable speed. Around here, Prius and friends are often LLC unless they are in the carpool lane, where they suddenly go 20 over.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I truly do not know that my experience is true or it is just the fact that I might notice it because the Prius has become such an icon. (very good to very bad) However my observation experiences are full range/run the gambit. It can range from "up yours" I am in front of you to Mario Andretti being sentenced to driving a Prius : race or challenge EVERYBODY.
  • timadamstimadams Member Posts: 294
    With varying speeds like that, I'd suspect cell phone/texting.


    Yep. When I see someone repeatedly changing speeds for an unknown reason, they are often talking on a phone, or worse, texting. I've had it happen many times. Weaving left and right is another indicator. I immediately get the heck away from them.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    See that almost every shopping trip somewhere outside a food store, big box, etc. These trailer ball jerks are in same category as the LLC enforcer, the tailgate intimidator for inconsideration.

    Don't want anyone injured, but maybe it takes a fast-food reastaurant hot coffee incident to wake up these jerks. Senior citizens would be highly vulneralbe to tripping over these trailer balls. If, when that happens, and smashed face/nose, broken arm, etc result, hopefully there will be witnesses nearby to not only call 911 for ambulance, but police to charge the offender.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    edited June 2011
    Also, a lot of people have family in law enforcement, a quick name drop can make all the difference.

    That works. Had a red firebird once and seemed to be picked on by cops a lot and think red was a draw. Once in Chicago, an officer following me (I saw him in the mirror) and was very careful, but apparently he thought I did not put on my turn signal far enough in advance of an intersection to turn. He pulled me over and told me so. Was polite, did not argue. I gave him my license and then asked him if he new my first cousin (same last name as mine), a Chicago police officer. He said that he knew him and he let me go.

    Another time, in a suburb of Chicago, stopped on residential street for going over, 5-10?, in a 25. Never met the officer, but recognized him from wife tellling me about him coming into legitimate business place, on official suburb police business, that my wife worked at. I told him who my wife was, he knew her well, and he let me go.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2011
    I wonder if that works up here in the boonies, where everyone knows everyone (except they all know me but I don't know them).

    The police blotter is usually nothing but deer strikes and speeding tickets. I can only assume that the trooper knows the speeder's cousin and hates their guts for teasing them in the 4th grade.

    The other thing Michigan cops are rumored to do is to make a U-Turn when they see an out of state plate on the front of a car and then go give chase. But front plates aren't required in Michigan and it's apparently okay put another's state's plate on your car. The transplants from Wisconsin and Illinois know better than to keep their old plates on the front as souvenirs, but you'll see a lot of New York or Oregon or Alaska plates on cars--when the cops turn around they see the Michigan tag in back and give up.

    Did a 4 hour RT today and the only inconsideration noted were the two deer on the road. A third one was already road kill as were two porcupines. Had the in-laws and no towels, so didn't collect any quills (or dinner).
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited June 2011
    I saw 3 smushed deer (and two smushed cars near them) in ~100 miles on that trip, on my side of the freeway. And it was dusk/dark. This was clearly a case when driving more than the numbers on the metal signs was not a good thing to do. I expect the officer was reminding the truck driver of that. Also, in this case there was the risk of killing some people by rear-ending the Highlander that was running without lights. :P

    IMO anyone going 30 mph over the limit on a road with other traffic (including wild animal traffic) should get a ticket with a large price tag attached. Minimum. Unless it's a life-or-death situation (no, needing to get home in time to see Dancing with the Stars doesn't count).
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    edited June 2011
    I've noticed a lot of dead deer along I-70 going to and from Columbus these last two weeks. It's not rutting season, is it? Ithought that was November/December in this area.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2011
    Beats me; did see a doe and two fawns in a field well off the road, so maybe the yearlings or two year olds are getting pushed out on their own.

    That reminds me, coming home there were four of us in the van, some 4 grocery bags in the middle bench and the back of the van was crammed floor to ceiling with 256 sq. ft. of well compressed R38 unfaced batt insulation. Wish I had taken a pic; barely got the hatch to close. Not sure what the volume was compressed but you couldn't have squeezed in a pillow back there.

    And I still managed to spot the ambulance coming up from behind on a lonely stretch of highway with just the side view mirrors in plenty of time to move to the shoulder. Not so considerate I suppose, but it sure is fun bragging about how much stuff you can cram into a minivan. Guess I could have tossed the road kill on the roof rack. :shades:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    I've made several trips to Ohio State University and Woody Hayes Way the last couple of weeks. I joke that I've been going to help counsel Tressel and the athletic department what to do with their football problems...

    But on Sunday before Memorial Day a Mini Cooper passed with its roof loaded--wide load. The large over-sized bedroll stuck out about 2 feet past the edge of the roof to the left. It was handing out over the air on the left side of the car. There were various other things all over the roof. I kept watching for that roll of soft stuff to let go. He was not speeding but he wasn't going 55 in the right hand lane either. I was amazed at how loaded that roof was. I did not hae my camera.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Today's winner. White Prius (maybe the same one from this morning) trying to hypermile it on a 40mph 4 lane road. He wouldn't go past 30, creating a little bottleneck of every single car passing him. And when they got back in front of him, he would back of just a little - wanted to be no less than 10 car lengths behind the preceding car. Just made a mess.

    Second place - driver who I won't describe in a Lexus GX, in traffic waiting for a free right turn. Cars would take their turn and go, so we'd creep up a little every 10 or 20 seconds. When this Lexus would stop after moving forward, it would slam on the brakes, making the car dive down. Did it 5 or 6 times, so it wasn't an accident, just an idiot.

    Honorable mentions to two people I noticed while I was jogging, pulling out of parking lots directly in front of oncoming traffic. One Camry almost got nailed by an E55 like mine...MB driver didn't even honk, just went around. Classy. Other one was a Jeep with Texas plates.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    One lane road approaching a stop light where there are right and left turn lanes. I am approaching a F-250 thats going slow, starts to move into the right turn lane, then changes his (her?) mind and starts to move into the left turn lane, then changes their mind again and goes back into the through lane and comes to a complete stop several car lengths short of the intersection on a green light.

    I see all this and as i approach s/he is stopped in that through lane. Since I am making a right turn no big deal as I take the right turn lane slowly pass him and turn right. After I pass him he gets in the right turn lane and follows me riding my rear. I mean I cannot see his front bumper and its a 25 MPH residential road we are on. About a half mile or so down the road is another light and we both turn onto a 4 lane 45 MPH road, I accelerate to between 45 and 50 MPH and the guy just falls further and further back.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I think we might need another discussion for "Incompetent Drivers". Lots of what we are reporting here seems to be more about people who have no idea HOW to drive, vs. trying to be inconsiderate.
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    edited June 2011
    We could also use another discussion forum for "Inconsiderate Pedestrians". Last night we had some rather heavy downpours with flooded roads, tornado warnings, and so on. I was driving through a town on a one way street with two lanes. There is a row of parked cars to my right, and a sidewalk to the right of that.

    As I was driving down the road at about 25-30 (probably a bit faster than I should have considering the depth of the water, although I didn't lose any traction), the water was somewhat deep (about 4-6 inches) and I was basically forging through, and barely noticed two morons walking down the MIDDLE of the road side by side (instead of the much safer sidewalk) with their backs to me. Instead of slamming on the brakes, I swerved slightly around them, spraying them with a nice wall of water. Don't think their umbrella was of much use at that point :)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited June 2011
    That was 2000 points you missed out on... maybe a few more for the umbrella!
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    Stupidity never ceases to amaze me, had they been on the sidewalk where one is supposed to walk, they would have been drier and safer. Can't fix stupidity!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    If it was raining hard the sidewalks may have had water running over them or accumulating in puddles too deep. The road is crowned for water drainage and water doesn't accumulate as deep in the middle.

    However, not watching for cars coming and making way for them is a bad thing!

    I run into similar settings when I have snow. The sidewalks aren't shoveled or have ice; the roads streets in our fair village are well plowed and/or salted. I often walk down the street for my exercise.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    This road is not designed for drainage, the water just lays in the road. Sidewalk would have been the better choice as it was raised up higher than the roadway and would have been the better option.

    Understandable if the sidewalk is blocked or impassible, but when it is the better option... stay on it!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    Especially when there is a car on the road!

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Having spent several days in Manhattan, I have seen insane driving - and I kind of like it. No-nonsense, reaction times and attention are demanded, horns aplenty. I have also noticed many cars wearing a rubber shield on the rear bumper to protect from parking scrapes. A good idea in many places.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Welcome back - wondered where you had gone the last week. Isn't there a move afoot to outlaw horns in NYC? If they'd just jerk them from the cabs, that would about solve the problem.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    From what my friend who lives there tells me, if the residents of a building have enough money, they can get a "no horns" style sign put up at their intersection, but according to him these are very dependent on economic status and barely enforced anyway. From the amount of honking I saw, I believe him.

    Cabs were notorious about it, yes...also weirdly aggressive and not always too good at planning for gaps in traffic.

    And even more surprising to me, every glimpse I saw of NYPD had them appearing to be pretty professional and well mannered. Didn't see any speed traps or revenue collectors wasting money chasing jaywalkers like they do in Seattle.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,923
    Speaking of red light cameras, it is inconceivable to me that they are using them on right turn violations in CA so that they can make more money.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    edited June 2011
    Hope you enjoyed your time in NYC! I end up there about once a week, typically in Queens/Brooklyn/Bronx/Manhattan. Your experience has been about the same as mine, I enjoy driving there. I've noticed a lot more people signal there than around here, red light running was not as prevalent. Bicyclists tend to be the worst up there.

    Horns can actually be a good thing, many people use it to let you know there is room for you. Or to get your butt moving if you sit at a green light for more than a second... :D Guess the saying is true, it doesn't get any greener!

    As for traffic cops, I think they do a fine job there. The one yelled at a bicyclist as I almost drilled him into the ground. The cop directing traffic was trying to get the traffic moving in my direction, and told the cross street (one way street from the left) to stop. Well, this above all rules bicyclist decided to ignore the cop (after the cop jumped in front of him blowing his whistle and held his hands up to get him to stop. He ignored the cop, and I ignored the bicyclist. Missed by a few inches at about 40 mph, just a dumb deer in the headlights stare from the guy on a bicycle.

    I wasn't about to swerve left into the cop, nor did I want to risk being rear-ended by the guy who was directly behind me.
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    Car? What car? ;)
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650

    nor did I want to risk being rear-ended by the guy who was directly behind me.


    Yeah, I have to totally agree with you there. I would always choose to risk hitting an inconsiderate cyclist, rather than take a chance that I might be rear-ended in my car. :sick:
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