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Professional at what? Or are you just claiming that you're that good?
A TRUE professional driver knows when to slow down.
Final thought on LLC: add a line beneath each of the respective signs trying to end this epidemic. Thus, Slower Traffic Keep Right - Flash to Pass and Keep Right Except to Pass - Flash to Pass , perhaps with a visual of a one car flashing its beams onto another ahead of it. It'll give legitimacy to a practice that serves a purpose grounded in safety and economy, and is much more understandable than using blinkers, which are often simply left on from forgetfulness.
Now that's practical logic with which I can live.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
What name can we give that person. Here it's usually a fart-can car that thinks they're a hotrod. Occasionally a BMR or other high-powered car.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
1. People who camp in the fast lane.
2. People who camp in the fast lane.
3. People who come to a stop to turn left, oblivious to the traffic backed up waiting behind them
4. People who stop in parking lots waiting for people to move
5. People who dork around at the ATM counting their money, fiddling around with their wallets and pocket books instead of pulling up and dorking around out of the way
6. Ditto for fast food drivethrus
7. People who aren't aggressive and know what they want to do at lights and turns--go ASAP and go fast so another person or two behind you can get out
***Here's the rule: if there are people behind you and nobody in front of you, you're causing a problem and you need to fix it--speed up, slow down, pull over, something, but get the heck out of people's way.
xwesx... i gots to know. what the heck in cambridge pa is worth that trip? :confuse:
btw... i been behind a couple of vintage vehicles lately, now the spring is here. they smell bad, but i was not confident, at least in one case, about passing a 440 'cuda on a straight patch of road.
1) Tailgating someone for several miles in the SLOW LANE that is actually running about 7 m.p.h. over the speed limit; when the fast lane is wide open!!! Uhhhhh, hello. Pass them fool--if you want to drive so fast.
2) Tailgating someone in the slow lane, then passing them about one-fourth of a mile before they exit. And in many cases they BARELY make their exit in time and have to dart across the slow lane endangering the lives of others and themselves. Another foolish maneuver. I witness this one regularly.
I don’t think that all things being equal any driver is obligated to accommodate the pattern of any other driver, so perhaps I misspoke.
I *do* take the position that in general, the best way for *everyone* to drive is to do so in a manner that minimizes the degree to which other drivers have to respond to his actions. In the case of speed differentials between cars sharing a lane, it is a no-brainer that the slower car in front, so long as he does nothing, will continue to impede the faster car, while the faster car, once allowed to pass the slower car, will no longer have any effect on it. So amount the two cars affect each other is minimized by the slower car allowing the faster car to pass as soon as possible.
In this particular situation—two cars in the passing lane, the one in front traveling slower than the one behind—we’ve already gotten to a point where each driver is affecting the driving pattern of the other. However, by virtue of the ‘slower traffic right’ rule, and according to the principle of minimizing the effect of drivers on each other's driving patterns, my position would be that the slower driver in front should do whatever he can within reason to accommodate the faster driver.
Of course, ‘within reason’ will always be subject to interpretation and the particulars of the given situation.
Only if he/she is out for a Sunday drive (IMO). If he/she is actually driving somewhere, he/she would be totally nuts to do that.
Not to mention that, if he/she actually did that...slow down with a LLVIPer behind, they would be assumed to be retaliating and probably bring on road rage.
I meant this to apply *only* in the case of the impeding left-lane driver being pushed to his very limit of speed and thus being in a position of holding up traffic behind him for a long time were he to make no change at all in his driving pattern. Also I was thinking about situations where something happens like the driver being passed speeds up to match speed with the would-be passer (people do this all the time, sometimes unintentionally/unconsiously).
I think it would be best for him to speed up and clear the lane as quickly as he can, but sometimes the driver being passed does not cooperate, and it was only in those situations where I think the would-be passer should back down (given, of course, that he is impeding traffic behind him).
And I agree with your second point—it is not a possible reaction I took into account.
Anyway, traffic was fairly light, rolling along at around 45-55. I was in my LeMans, minding my own business, in the left lane. As long as I'm not holding anybody up, on this road I'll usually stay in the left lane on my way home, because that way it makes it easier for others to merge and exit into the right lane. Well, there was a Mazda6 wagon that wanted to get over, using his blinker. I eased off and let him over. He never really got back up to cruising speed, but it didn't slow me down enough to bother me.
Well, suddenly, literally out of nowhere, this first-gen Solara coupe comes up on my bumper. He accelerates up towards me and then backs off a bit. We cleared a traffic light which is normally the last area with any appreciable congestion before my exit, and normally the cars start to speed up at this point. The Mazda was keeping it steady at around 50. I had room to pass on the right safely, so I did. The Solara was still behind me, but backed off a bit.
Well, I'm still getting used to driving this Pontiac, and with the shift kit it has in it, it's all too willing to downshift. So when I gave it some gas to pass the Mazda, it downshifted and took off a lot faster than I expected it to! I went past the Mazda, and would have gotten back over to the left, but there was a minivan in the left lane with its blinker on, about to go into the left turn exit lane, but one of those types of drivers that has to straddle the line between the lanes, instead of just getting all the way over into the proper one. So I decided to wait until I went through the intersection before getting over.
I look in the mirror, and lo and behold, here's this Solara, gunning it, whipping around the Mazda, then getting up on my rump again. I figured he'd just go and get in the left lane and pass me, but then he backed off again. At this point, I had to get back over to the left soon as my turn was coming up. Before I could put on my blinker, the Solara whipped over to the left lane, with no blinker, and started to speed up, but then backed off a bit, pacing me. Well, I figured since he wasn't going to do anytyhing, and had had ample time to pass me, I gunned it and got over.
Naturally, about a second after I was over, he decided he wanted to open it up. Once I was already completely over, and doing about 65, he decided to speed up. Got up on me and flashed his high beams. I didn't budge. Let off the gas. Put on my left blinker, as my exit lane was starting to come up. As soon as my blinker went on, he put his high beams on me and left 'em on. I slowed down. Normally I'd be doing about 50 when I go into the exit lane (traffic permitting), but this time I was down to about 40, maybe a little less. He stayed behind me instead of passing on the right, because there was a Neon in the right lane that was slowing to make a right turn up ahead. So he had no choice but to slow down.
Anyway, I don't know WHAT this guy's problem was, but evidently he was looking for a fight, or something. Or maybe he felt so intimidated that he had to prove something. Like his Solara was the biggest, baddest car on the road?
As for definitions, everybody in this DG seems to have a different definition for everything, lol.
If you are not keeping right except to pass, then you are a camper.
I was on an interstate and was in the right lane (of a 4 lane highway) to get off on the next exit. This was one of the exit lanes that was simply a continuation of the previous entrance lane, so I usually maintain a constant speed and keep a space in front of me to allow people to maneuver and merge in. This time, it was only me and a motorcycle passing me in the lane to my left. A large pickup (I think it was a Titan) drove in from the onramp, matched speeds with me, and proceeded to merge, with me right beside him. So of course, the only thing I could do was stand on the brakes. The truck then zipped over all 4 lanes to the left lane, where the motorcyclist now was (Apparently, he had moved over all the way before we got to this point). I don't know what the problem of the Titan was, but the motorcyclist wanted no part of it. He swerved onto the left shoulder before he got ran over, downshifted, and took off down the interstate with full throttle, with the Titan trying to keep up. I didn't see what happened afterwards because I pulled onto the offramp at that time.
Well, expanding the "effect time zone" can work either way. Expand it long enough and nothing has any significant effect :=) Point is that in the "current time frame" I don't think either has rights over the other...the one behind should wait for the one in front to complete the pass. Frankly, I don't think anyone's ever obligated to speed up for anyone else. Often, I will do it myself...but it's optional...a courtesy, not something to be expected of or demanded. IMO.
...the slower driver in front should do whatever he can within reason to accommodate the faster driver.
Agreed. In most cases, it's to complete the pass in some reasonable amount of time. Very subjective, of course.
I meant this to apply *only* in the case of the impeding left-lane driver being pushed to his very limit of speed and thus being in a position of holding up traffic...
That's what I meant, too. I don't think "slowing down and reversing a partly completed pass" is really a viable option.
If you are not keeping right except to pass, then you are a camper. "...
I would agree with your quote. Real clear, concise, do able.
Pretty fair definition.
...running 10 mph faster than I am will run right up on my bumper because he/she feels I'm impeding their progress.
That's a LLVIP'er :=)
Right...except "short-term manuever" can be up for interpretation :=)
Personally, I don't get bent out of shape if I come up on a guy who's already in the process of passing a bunch of cars at a slower speed than I would like to go.
Now if that guy is out there long enough for a queue of five or ten cars to stack up behind him, he IS unreasonably impeding traffic flow and SHOULD do something to get out of the way, I think.
And if I'm coming up on a line of cars at, say 10+ and some guy at the end of the line I'm about to begin passing pulls out in front of me just before I reach him to pass at 5+, then I don't know if I'd call that LLCing but it sure is annoying!
Lastly, if a guy pulls out in front of me in that situation when there's no one behind me and just by waiting a couple of seconds he could allowed me to go through without making me slow down, that's also annoying!
In my area in W. Ohio the 85 percentile is used for setting speed limits on many roads. If I look at the speed on two lane interstates, the 85 percentile speed is easily what some of the LLCers are doing or above that speed. Fewer than 15 percent of the cars are LLDVIPing.
Using both lanes for travel helps keep the traffic moving. When there is adequate room in the right lane for a safe lane change and the person in the left lane can continue at their speed without havin gto slow down to 55, then it makes sense for them to be courteous and change to the right lane. Otherwise the LLDVIPs need to show courtesy and go with the flow.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I'm not sure I agree with this, because when taken to a logical extension one might arrive at a position that, once in a left-hand lane, one is entitled to stay there for as long as he wishes so long as he maintains a speed no less than the speed at which he enters the lane.
This sort of thinking ultimately leads to justifying LLCing, which I do not believe is justifiable.
If a driver is in a higher-speed lane and there are cars behind him who want to go faster, particularly if it's the #1 lane, courtesy and common sense dictate that that driver should do whatever he can within reason to stop impeding the flow of traffic as soon as he can. If he is unwilling to do something to complete his pass and get out of the way at some point -- 20 seconds? 40 seconds? a minute? -- he becomes an LLCer.
Of course, the precise location of this point is again a matter of opinion, but I would say very few would disagree that it exists somewhere in time.
That's what I meant, too. I don't think "slowing down and reversing a partly completed pass" is really a viable option.
Well, in a situation when a driver starts to make a pass and the car being passed speeds up to match speeds with the would-be passer, a circumstance I see pretty often (whether it's intentional or not), I'd say that courtesy would demand that the would-be passer do *something* and not just stay out there pacing the guy indefinitely. Maybe the guy who sped up is being a jerk or whatever, but there's no cause for the would-be passer to use that as a rationale for holding up everyone who wants to pass *him.*
Oh, and BTW, if you haven't been able to tell yet, one of MY real pet peeves is people who speed up when being passed. Happens WAY too often, and is responsible for a lot of the rode rage and aggressive driving we see, I think.
Well, I had gotten over into the left lane as soon as it was safe. Traffic was starting to break up and move faster, when this minivan put on its blinker and came over in front of me. It was a little closer than what I would consider respectful (IMO, "respectful" is when you can change lanes without making other traffic have to slow down or back off for you), but I've seen much worse. She sped up to more or less the flow of traffic, but then as things started to really lighten up, the right lane started passing her, and the cars behind me started to catch up.
I moved over to the left a bit, and at this point it didn't look like there was anything in front of her for quite some distance. Because she was in a minivan, she was creating a bit of a blind spot. I moved over to the right lane and passed her. Looked over at her, and she was yakking on the cell phone! Typical. :mad:
I get a real kick out of those drivers that tear out of the intersections like there was something to win, fly like falcons down the road, then you finally make it to the next light and that vehicle is 3 cars in front of you. The light turns green and it all happens again... :confuse:
My then-to-be-wife and I were taking a "Meet the Folks" trip. We lived (and still do) in Fairbanks, AK. My parents were in Oregon and hers were in Pennsylvania. We took pit-stops cross country to visit our friends in various states, as well as a family reunion (my side) in Minnesota. It was fun though. I got a lot of looks once I hit the Chicago area because from that point onward (east), I had the oldest rig on the road by 20 years - plus it is canary yellow (original color, I didn't pick it!), had a homemade, stained mahogany canopy, and Alaska plates. But, most of them were looks of disgust more than admiration.... hehe. The thing runs great though. No blue smoke, no black. At the time, there were only 38K original miles on the 307. My father forced me to replace the original plug wires in Minnesota, even though I insisted they were okay.
Traffic lights are the Great Equalizer. My favorite here in Fairbanks are all the traffic lights and intersections being added to our "Expressways" even though there are multiple other ways to route traffic to existing limited access interchanges. :mad:
I drove the Alcan twice. 91 and 94. Alaska truly is the great land.
Most times the car next to me takes its time, I pull ahead, merge over, and everyone goes on his/her merry way.
If the car next to me "races" me and also speeds up, then fine with me; I just slow down and pull in behind them. Evidently this person is also a fast driver so I don't mind being stuck behind them. In fact, if they truly are a faster driver than me, I'd rather have them in front of me.
Now what does piss me off is if the car races me, I let him "win" and then he slows down considerably once he is in front. That's racing to win just for the sake of winning.
Btw, I'm not talking about STREET RACING scenarios. If the car next to me has ANY indication of being a street racer (ie it is modified, it's revving, it is a civic
It cleaned up well enough, though! No duct tape needed... no rear bumper.
If you're in somebody's way that's all you need to know, you should do whatever you can to minimize your impact on them.
I would say tops, 2 minutes to complete a passing maneuver. But I try to keep it to 20 or 30 seconds.
When we drove our new Town Car from Dawson City to Tok via Chicken, we got a lot of strange looks in AK. We were the only sedan in the area on the Top of the World Highway. Spent six weeks up there and would return in a heartbeat. Upon arriving home the W/S was replaced.