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Let them replace the engine and I suspect they will even extend your warrenty....Like BMW did with their crank problems.
Since you are a lawyer, you could litigate the matter but what is GM going to present you with? Yup, their warrenty and frankly they are living up to that aspect as they will replace the engine.
It is certainly annoying but I think your alternative in litigating the matter may prove fruitless.
On a lighter side, I'll take your car! I have had an '01 yellow;traded for an '03 yellow and will be hunting down an '06, either yellow or blue and have merely been waiting for pricing to settle. Maybe your dealer would want to swap you out of your car into another one, I'll take yours for the right price and all will be happy.
Just a thought.
GM has not offered to extend my warranty. Legally speaking, I will file an action against GM, but that is not the point. Porsche & BMW have in similar situations (or with cars with less serious problems) replaced the car (examples provided by other board members) thus backing their product and their customer. While GM & Chevrolet is basically flipping me the bird.
I do not intent do keep this car under any circumstances and already have a deposit on another Z06. Funny isn't it? Depending on how things work out with GM, this car will be either returned to GM for a new one, bought back by GM, or will be sold by me. If you're interested in purchasing it, just let me know. This whole scenario has absolutely ruined my experience of owning this particular car, but the reason for that is not the actual problems with my Z06, those can happen on any car, but the way Chevrolet & GM are handling this situation.
"American Revolution" is the new Chevrolet slogan, but in the end these are just words. Although I think Chevy's products are overall greatly improved, their integrity as a company are at the bottom of the barrel, and this is where their focus needs to be. They will never compete with the profitable companies until their policy is changed.
Porsche & BMW are the 2 most profitable car manufacturers and its funny that in the examples given the customers' cars were replaced and the reputation of the companies improve. But GM, a company in dire financial straights does not replace a car which left the factory substantially defective, thus further undermining the company's reputation. And this is supposed to be their HALO car! What a joke...
Alena
GROW UP!!!
Lets be honest here, if this problem would have been discovered between the car coming off the assembly line and being delivered to you all they would have done is changed the engine and you would have had a vette with a new replacement engine and you would be none the wiser.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Fivelemons, FIVE LEMONS? That's rediculous!
As an update... it looks like the dealership will have my car for about a month, today being the 18th day... Some parts still have not come in! No surprises here!
Alena
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Good luck
tom
BTW, MSRP for a 06 6-speed with no other options is $44,490; you should be able to negotiate the price down from there.
The asking price is a high ball price so offer them a low ball prices if you like the car and let the games begin. You could also ask for a 7 year GM extended warranty to be included at some point if you plan on keeping it longer than the warranty will last.
Be sure and shop the internet dealers so you know what the going rate for the GM extended warranty is. Note also if the cars is over 12 months old the GM extend warranty is about double what it costs to purchase within the first 12 months. Fitchner Chevy in Montana has some of the best GM warranty prices.
This is the very first time the SCM (Magnetorheological Suspension Control) suspension has been used on a high performance sports car. This is the very first time the SCM (Magnetorheological Suspension Control) suspension has been used on a high performance sports car.
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3300.asp?id=12863
I am also considering the BMW M Roadster and the Porsche 911.
I am 55 years old and plan to keep the car for 15 years plus.
I was told by a dealer for one of the cars I am looking at the corvettes, even the new ones, have a lot of rattles.
I understand the corvette is probably the best value/performance package, especially compared to the Porsche, but I really don't want to listen to rattles. While the Porsche is much more money, given that I plan to keep it for many years, I am willing to pay up if needed to get the best car. I am however, a little concerned about higher potential maintenance costs on the Porsche.
Does anyone have any thoughts able the relative quality of these cars, long-term reliabilty and rattles?
Thanks
My Lexus had more annoying long term noises than the vette because it was so quiet you heard everything. I have had one quality problem with my C6 that was fixed by the dealer; the fuel tank sending unit was replaced. I had three quality problems with my Lexus the fist year I had it and one was never fixed to my satisfaction; a rattle in the sunroof.
The only downside to the Vette is finding a good dealer service department that works on enough Vettes to know what they are doing. If you live in a smaller town you don't have a lot of choices. You also won't get the red carpet treatment at the dealer either.
With every car you are looking at you have an equal risk of having problems IMHO. Each design has it own strengths, weaknesses, and quality problems. If you follow the on line forums for all the cars you are looking at, you will see some owners complaining about quality, dealers, and etc..
Having to chose between all these cars is a nice problem to have. Drive them all, as many times as you can before you buy.
When the C5 hit in '97 those problems have virtually disappeared.
I had an '01 Z06--2 years and 30k in miles and not a single squeak or rattle. Then bought an '03 Z06---going on 3 years and 25k in miles. Zero squeaks/rattles.
I suspect the C6 is at least as tight.
Porsche is a great car also but if you plan to keep for 15 years, you will have to do some serious budgeting as parts/repairs very costly.
This being said, I don't think any of your choices in cars here is going to go 15 years without significantly expensive service/repairs. A 997 911 will cost you about $30k more up front, maintenance is quite expensive and who knows if Porsche has fixed the RMS issue? Even if they have, it's too new to know if it will have any other issues. To top it off, the C6 is much more comfortable than a 911. (If you can't tell, we almost bought a 911, but finally decided on the C6- no regrets! )
$30K pays for a lot of maintenance, and 911s and BMWs are not known for being trouble free cars.
If you want something that lasts 15 years, maybe you can still get your hands on a Acura NSX (but it's been around a long time and is quite dated). Or wait for Nissan to release their new Skyline.
Good luck
tom
While I hope to keep the car 15 years, I will probably use it sparingly.
Good to hear the Corvette C6 is largely a solid and rattle-free car.
I am concerned about long-term cost to own a Porsche 911 vs. a Corvette. One would intuitively think that for the extra cost of the 911 you would get a car that would last longer. If if only lasts longer by spending lots of money on maintenance and repairs, that isn't worth much.
If you do plan to use it sparingly as you indicate, I would try to do a few things.
First is to get the BEST battery trickle charger that you can. My Corvette Z06's battery gave out at app 4.25 years where I have been used to (in my driving life) most other batteries giving out at the 10 year mark.
Quite simply two things are happening here.
1. The Z06 and (more directly the 06 Z06) has a 24/7 CONSTANT drain. I think you know the litany here. Multiple computers for any and all systems, operation of sound system, lamps, power seat adjustments, alarm systems, plug ins such as cell phone, GPS, radar detector etc etc.
2. In addition to hearing ABSOLUTELY no marketing to the contrary, the Z06's alternator simply DOES NOT replenish (to 100%) the battery during operation. So as a consequence, operation adds discharge to the already 24/7 discharge.
Secondly, When in those cases you do take it out and use it (sparingly) operate it no less than 1 hours time (full operating temperature is the operative key here)
All the best! Keep us informed !!
Randy
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Randy
Question for the dealer service, are any of their techs, Corvette Certified, not many are and they don't have specific training on the Vette systems. Our local guy just recently left the dealer and they didn't have anyone as a backup.
Questions for owner, what car and tire set up? What location for weather and how precise about setting cold temps for the tires, and how high the pressure when run long distance?
Then again, I have two sets of wheels and tires, one for the road and the other for track days. My track day tires some times get to be several months old before replacement.
Randy
In regards to the tires, I have never been a fan of the so called "run flats". However my Z06 came without run flats and just a flat fixer in a bottle and air compressor. I also realize this can give some folks a fright about flats on the road. So in that sense I really have nothing to compare it with.
Sometimes, Corvettes do have issues with alignment. I took mine to a well known local specialty shop for a more "touring" application alignment(less neg camber). My first set of GY Eagle F1 SC went 56,000 miles with app 3 to 3.5/32 left all around. I switched to Toyo Proxes T1S for the balance of wet weather performance. (both non runflats)
Sounds to me like going to a non run flat might be a better way to go if you "bad experiences": with run flats continue.
I have the F55 and have had zero problems with brake noise. I have done a few lapping session at the local race track also.
Since the numbers are about the same as the Z06, why spend
the extra $30k, then again getting a new Z06 might be part
of the issue.
This corrects some earlier promo material from Ferrari that said their Mag fluid shocks were a first. And oh by the way, the Active Handling system in the Vette has had three modes since at least 2000. On has ESC and Traction Control while off is both systems, but in between there is Comp Mode that turns off TC and let's AH allow more slip angle in hard cornering.
Randy
I'm not that fond of the C5 shape, I think the C4 was a better looking car. The C5 is alot easier to drive and live with. i like the style of the C6 better and will be looking for a used one in a couple of years.
A local guy was selling it on ebay.
He had everything on this car plus forged wheels, magnaflow exhaust and a cold air intake.
Before I completely decided I was going to buy a Vette this year, I came to that conclusion through a series of unfortunate events.
To begin with, I have owned 2 Lexus vehicles in my lifetime. The first was a 2002 ES300. 1st year redesign. It was quiet, but that's about it. Not fun to drive to say the least. I bought it thinking it was going to be ultra-reliable. Boy was I wrong. Had it in for various issues, but the biggy, a very serious problem with the transmission which to this day, I don't think they have fixed in their models. The problem being a hesitation in the shifting patterns, which in worst cases, caused me to lose acceleration through stop lights. Not the place where you want to lose acceleration! I took it in 4 times to 2 different dealerships and followed the lemon route. Case closed.
While I owned the ES300, I thought, there's this nice looking LX470 cert used, 2000 with only 19K miles. A steal? Well, my vehicle has been to the dealership I can't count how many times. Its there right now btw. Problems with brakes squealing, steering, paint (entire top 3/4 had to be re painted due to clouding issue from Manufacture's defect). The service advisors always play dumb, but nice and friendly, shake your hand and send you off. Only for you to come back another day so you can shake their hand and you can take it you know where. Case open.
So in my quest for a totally different vehicle, one more driveable and fun, I test drove the Corvette. WOW!!! What a pleasure. The acceleration, the braking, I just couldn't imagine the Vette drove this nice! The mag suspension made the car's suspension feel like a Lexus, but not so cushy. Just right. The interior, just right. Compared to Lexus, Lexus looks cheap. I'm sick of the shiny nasty wood crud and their plastic gadgetry. The Vette was just as quiet, except for the sweet, slight burl of the engine that could be heard with the exit of the tailpipes in the back...nice Best part I was totally impressed with, how comfortable it was to drive, it felt very drivable after just a few minutes test drive. I almost forgot I was in a sports car, until I reved the engine. The Vette's interior, I thought, was just right and much to my liking. The ergonomica was perfect, placed everything within reach that was essential for driving and pleasure. The seats sucked me in and kept me there.
After I hopped out of the Vette, I continued to test drive the Mercedes C55 AMG, the BMW M3, and the Lexus IS350. No Audi S4, some of you might say? Well, 2 German cars in one day was enough for me.
The C55 AMG was middle of the road for me. It drove with power, but not enough. It breaks well. The interior is good. Just not enough styling to justify 60K. Besides, Mercedes stinks these days. I test drove a CLK as well, different day. Both salesmen were aweful, didn't know a thing about the vehicles, and I almost made one of them puke in the C55 AMG. Seriously, they were both strange dudes.
The M3 was a nice drive, but too bumpy for me. SMG trans is crap. I'd rather have a stick shift. Nice acceleration, more for hardcore racers who like firm seats and bouncing a lot. Styling is old, next platform comes in late 07 for 08 model.
The IS350 was well, a Lexus. I hate to admit it, but I was actually considering this car. Until I racked up the price with options. That's Vette land It dawned on me and the more the salesman and I discussed how great the service was, the more I wanted to wake up out of my nightmare for the past 3 years. I felt like asking him, have you ever been serviced at Lexus? Well, it doesn't feel very good. Please see above.
So the conclusion, Corvette. I'm going to have fun, so much fun. Thank goodness for American sports car, the Corvette! I suggest everyone go through the experiences I have had the last 3 years. Squealing Vette brakes will be a blessing if that's all you have go wrong. My Lexus brakes squealed like a pig farm, not kidding...So enjoy your Vett's and stop squealing! You have the best drive around and I'm going to be joining you soon!
Then the question comes about learning to really drive something with 400hp, driving schools are good, especially Spring Mountain outside Las Vegas. Every day I get to drive the Vette is a good day with lots of smiles!
Randy