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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    LOL :D That is so true. ;)

    Rocky
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    all the computer and adaptive controls, if just changing the octance can mess things up for a while. maybe after a few tanks, everything will get back in sync.
    gas at the local exxon is still 309x x=9.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I posted this link before, but I guess you guys never bothered to click on it. So I'm copying it in its entirety here (by shipo 4/2/05, from the Maintenance & Repair Board). [shipo: if you're out there, I've taken the liberty to break up some of your paragraphs into more digestible chunks.]

    The oil companies have done their best over the decades to imply (if not outrightly state) that higher octane gas is "better." It's not, just different. Please read the following -- I know it's lengthy.

    I think that it is highly unlikely that your car (or any car for that matter) will get better mileage with a grade of fuel that is higher than what the manufacturer calls for in the manual.

    Why? Simple, if an engine is designed to operate at peak efficiency, said efficiency will degrade to a certain degree as you move away from the recommended fuel grade.

    The whole thing is that the different grades of fuel take different lengths of time between the spark event and when the flame front is fully organized. The lower the grade of fuel, the quicker the flame front is developed.

    Engines are designed with certain combustion chamber configurations and compression ratios so that when fed the proper grade of fuel, the Peak Pressure Point (PPP), which should theoretically happen at about 15 degrees after TDC [top dead center]. If you use a lower grade of fuel than what is called for, your PPP occurs sooner at say 10 degrees after TDC, and that is where "Pinging" or "Detonation" (sorry Shifty, "Pre-ignition" is where the fuel combusts on its own before the spark event, hence the name "Pre-ignition", this condition WILL destroy an engine very quickly) occurs.

    Detonation is in essence the flash combustion (instead of the flame front smoothly burning all of the fuel in the combustion chamber) of some amount of end gas due to the higher pressures associated with the early PPP. The issue here is the degree of detonation, a very little is considered harmless by some and beneficial by others, personally, I'll refrain from comment. Moderate detonation, where you can hear light "Pinging", is where the problems can start.

    A brief Pinging event when you first press the throttle is most likely harmless, however, if said Pinging continues, engine damage (in the form of burned valves, burned pistons and broken rings) can result. Severe detonation, a condition which is extremely rare in modern engines, can destroy an engine in a matter of moments.

    The flip side of using too low of a grade of fuel is using too high of a grade of fuel. Now the flame front takes too long to get fully organized, resulting a late PPP of say 18-20 degrees. Now what happens is that your fuel is far from being fully burned before the exhaust valve opens, and as such, the flame front continues burning fuel right past the valve and into the exhaust manifold. Basically harmless, but since it doesn't convert the resultant heat into mechanical energy, it is also highly inefficient.

    Now let us add modern electronics into the equation. My BMW, which carries a "Premium" fuel recommendation from the manufacturer, can run safely on lower grade fuels, however, the computer senses that detonation is occurring and retards the spark event. The delayed spark keeps the PPP at that engines' designed in optimum point. Unfortunately, since the ignition has been retarded (resulting in cooler temperatures in the chamber), the engine is not running at peak thermal efficiency, hence lower mileage and power.

    Regarding cars that carry a "Regular" fuel recommendation, it is unlikely that the engine in said cars was really designed for "Premium" fuel, and as such, said engines will not benefit from higher grades of fuel. Using higher grades of fuel in such a car will most likely result in LOWER mileage per gallon of fuel, and possibly INCREASE combustion chamber deposits, which is never a good thing.

    Rule of thumb. Use the fuel that your manufacturer recommends.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    A couple of things. Most manufacturers up until very very recently tested their engines *with* premium fuel(SEA forced them to change it only a year or two ago) - so most modern engines do run a bit better with premium in them. But it's maybe 10% at most.

    It used to not be worth it - 15% more cost for 5-10% more power, but with gas at $3.45, paying 20 cents more just about breaks even.

    Lastly, this is only really true if you have a modern car. My 67 Mercedes, which has carbs, runs like I dropped a load of manure in it on 87. Truly diesel-like results. Of course, the car was designed with leaded fuel in mind, so 91 unleaded IS about 87 then.
  • waiwai Member Posts: 325
    In my case of Jetta VR6 requires 91 min Octane, two weeks ago I put in VP Streetblaze racing unlead fuel with 100 Octane (probably more due to higher motor octane) in my car, I feel about 10% more power and nicely engine sound. But it cost $48 for 5 gallons. So it will help to have higher octane in terms of power output than required in the manual.
    Local gas in delaware is 87 $2.94, 89 $3.04, 93 $3.14.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Good thing that stuff isn't available near me. I'd be broke constantly filling my Cadillac Seville STS with that 100 octane racing fuel! I wonder how my car would perform or if I'd notice a difference? A ten percent difference would yield something like 30 extra hp!
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    How can you "feel" a 10% improvement?

    Is that like those "high-tech" mattress ads that tout 65% less back pain? :P
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    The truth is, unless you have carbs or throttle-body injection or non EFI - say an old Bosch system like in Mercedes, Volvos, and BMWs from the 70s and 80s - the computers will compensate and the god-awful transmissions will rob you of so much power that you can't really tell the difference. Not unless you are either shifting manually and revving it hard, or say, climbing steep mountains or something simmilar. 95% of the time, you don't even get more than half the rated HP out of most engines driving around town.

    For instance - a GM with the 4 speed automatic - maximum torque and HP is developed at about 80-90mph in third gear the gearing is so silly high. Honda and Toyota's 5-speed automatics are simmilar, though third gear for them is actually useable to pass on the highway. (Can't do that with a Buick - 2nd gear tops out at 60mph.)

    But in older cars, the difference is apparent within a few blocks. That's how we know - that and the official HP tests. Toyota and Honda - notice how the HP ratings dropped from a few years ago by 15-20HP or so? Nothing changed - just the test has to now be run in running form, with A/C installed, the lowest rated fuel it can use, regular oil, and so on. Of course, it's not hard to figure out what gimmicks they must have been resorting to over the last two decades by turning that around.

    *Note - if your compression is a bit low from age, higher octane tends to help as well, since the car will tend to detonate the fuel later than it should on 87. - which is another reason most classic cars do better on the premium stuff.
  • waiwai Member Posts: 325
    I can tell from the way my car pass other cars on I95. This is especially powerful when I shift from 2 to 3 and to 4th gears.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Down 6 cents today to $2.79
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    no change from last week

    Last week's report

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Amazing, a drop here! My local Chevron is down to 3.13/3.23/3.35 (?) but I notice no drops at any other stations. Odd. Must be some really localized legitimate and ethical market forces at work.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    You need extra power to pass on 8-lane I-95?

    It's not like you're trying to pass on a 2-lane road where the last sign you saw said "next passing zone 20 miles."

    Here in central VA today, 3 stations in a row had $2.74 for 87: BP, Kangaroo, and Chevron. So, why buy Kangaroo when you can get Chevron (with Techron, and a "Top Tier Gasoline") for the same price?
  • waiwai Member Posts: 325
    In Delaware, part of I95 is only 2 lanes each direction, you have to have lots of power to pass those slow cars driving at the fast lane while there is another car on the right lane keeping the same speed. I think you only drive at the legal limit.
  • cticti Member Posts: 131
    $2.52 on the military base here - Fort Gordon.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    So how do you pass in that situation -- go around on the shoulder? :P

    When I drive on I-95 in Delaware, I'm usually going from VA to NYC, so most of that is 8 lanes, including the bridge to NJ.

    Your silly state charges $3.00 to cross the bridge southbound and another $3.00 a few miles later, with no discount for EZ Pass, for a total of 20 or so miles at most within Delaware. Meanwhile on the NJ Turnpike, my last trip cost $3.20 northbound and $4.95 southbound, and that was for nearly the entire length to NYC!

    Speaking of silly, the speed limit in DE is 55 mph; I go between 60-65 in the far right lane, and it's like being in the Indy 500.

    Back to gas prices in central VA, Hess is still holding at $2.75 for 87, 1 cent above the 3 stations I mentioned yesterday.
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    The solution is well.. don't pass on the right. In some states and all of Europe and Canada, it's illegal as well.

    Flash your lights at them - one or the other will move or adjust their speed a bit in reaction.
  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    plekto, flashing your lights is illegal in many states.
    i believe that left-turn-signal is a legal-in-50-states way to try to rent a clue to left-lane-bandits. legal but not necessarily effective, of course.
    hey, this is supposed to be about gas prices:
    3.15 -> 3.21 range for 91+ octane in southern NH.
  • waiwai Member Posts: 325
    Give some pressure to the left lane slow car and/or make a right turn signal light to alert the car in front and the car at your right that you want to pass them.
    The part of I95 you out of state vehicles use is only 1/3 of the whole I95 which has mostly three lanes not four lanes each direction.
    Delaware only charge a toll when you entering the southern state line or exiting out. which is very fair considering you guys create so much pressure/conjestion on the road especially during the summer season.
    The Del Memorial Bridge you are crossing is connecting Delaware to New Jersy and the toll collected mostly will go to NJ. You can avoid paying this toll by passing through the northern part of DE and entering PA and charge by New Jersey through Comm Barry Bridge. I is at least fifteen miles from the toll at De state line to Del Memorial bridge, and not a few miles.
    I agree that 55mph is silly thats why no DE vehicles will obey this limit. For you guys driving at 60mph even at the right lane will always be tailgated by De instate vehicles.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Let's keep the stuff about on the road strangeness in the Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories) discussion and keep this one for gas price chatter.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    on Saturday for a car show, and saw gas for as cheap as ~$2.759 per gallon for 87. I rode with a buddy of mine, who has a '78 Mark V with a 460-4bbl. We started off with a full tank, and when we got back to his place, the cute little early attempt at a trip computer the car has said 5 miles to empty! :surprise:
  • mikhailmikhail Member Posts: 3
    Lucky for us Hawaii people, the price has gone down four cents from $3.65. It still isn't enough though. It is becoming a very sad era as today marks the day that I have seen two more big-money racers being sold on the side of the highway.
  • turboshadowturboshadow Member Posts: 338
    Gas went up from 2.579 to 2.659 in Columbia SC. I didn't hear any explanations as to why on the news.

    Maybe it is because the Power Tour is in town today...
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    the local Citgo was down a bit to $2.979 for 87. Had been holding at $3.019 for the longest time. The Shell is around $3.039, down a touch from $3.049. Glenn Dale/Seabrook, MD
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Costco regular $3.19 Premium $3.39 been there for a couple weeks. A few ARCO stations at that price. One Independent is at $3.17. May stay there all summer.
  • analyzerlxanalyzerlx Member Posts: 23
    The prices rose from approx. $2.50/gal to about $2.70/gal after lunch yesterday. Three hours later the price jumped another 4 cents to $2.74/gal? I can understand the idea of supply-and-demand, but increasing so quickly and staying there is crazy! I don't understand how people can rationalize oil companies making such huge profits all the while they are charging ever more increasing prices at the pumps? Maybe those people have stock in the oil companies and think the average American wouldn't notice and well, would pay anyways, which is true. Just 6 years ago the price of regular unleaded here cost anywhere from $0.80/gal to $0.99/gal? What's the deal with that? And with the editor of Motor Trend comparing the pay of workers in the '80s with the pay of workers today and what they pay for gas respectively, it still doesn't excuse the fact that the average minimum wage earner hasn't seen such huge increases in wage! So tell me, are we to ignore all the people in the fringe of poverty? I guess so, because all I hear is the fact that supply-and-demand is running the show and the economy is good, there are a ton of jobs (tons of minimum wage jobs) and at $5.15 an hour these folk are spending a larger portion of their earnings at the pump, instead of the dinner table. Oh yeah, look at the prices of food at the grocery store and you'll be shocked- how does the average minimum wage earner live? Simple, very meagerly and many times with government assistance.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It looks to me like owning a car will be a luxury that someone on minimum wage will not be able to afford. I don't know how they could afford a car when gas was a buck a gallon. Higher oil prices have impacted many areas other than just gas at the pump. We are now experiencing a little bit of what folks in the EU and many other parts of the World have experienced for years.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Down another 2 cents today to $2.77, with one station down to $2.75

    Down in the Lancaster, PA area I'm seeing $2.59
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...after holding steady for three weeks, Sunoco Regular is back up from $2.89 to $2.93. Plus is $3.03, "premium?"91 is $3.10, and "ultra?"93 is $3.13.

    Let the Gouge Begin!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I filled up my '85 Silverado at the local Citgo. Paid $3.119 per gallon for 89 octane. As for my fuel economy, it's hard to tell whether putting my Dart's air cleaner top on it, which makes it breathe better, has really helped much or not. According to the odometer, I got about 12.8 mpg this time around, up from 11.2 with the stock air cleaner top. And I still think the odometer reads about 5% slow, so adjusting for that my mileage would be about 13.4 mpg on this tank and 11.8 on the other. So it looks like I'm seeing about a 13-14% increase in fuel economy. My driving really didn't change much on this tank versus the other. Still mostly stop-and-go, very short trip driving. It'll be interesting to see if it still averages out to be that much of an improvement over the long run. It just seems incredible to me that fiddling around with the air cleaner top can make that much of a difference! If it really did, wouldn't the auto makers have figured it out eons ago? :confuse:
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Ouch. Our gas is climbing back up there lemko. $2.80's When is it going to end. We better hope New Orleans doesn't get hit again otherwise you'll be buying 84 octane using a $ 4.19 a bottle 104 octane booster because it's cheaper. :sick:

    Rocky
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    84 Octane? Shoot, I'd save money as I could get it free! Instead of going to the restroom and using the urinal, I'd simply walk out to the parking lot and open the filler cap!
  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    "Instead of going to the restroom and using the urinal, I'd simply walk out to the parking lot and open the filler cap!"

    You know, a shot of penicillen would take care of that burning sensation when you urinate. Besides, how much beer would you have to consume to fill the tank on your Buick?
    :P
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    So would this be kinda like that "water injection" that was a passing fad in the 70's? :surprise:
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I think you'll just have to see over the long term if the Dart air filter really makes any difference. I kind of doubt it.

    You're right, if it were that simple, the automakers would have nailed it years ago. They struggle right now for every tenth of an mpg for CAFE purposes.

    I can't believe the snake-oil peddlers are still trying to palm off those stick-on magnets for your fuel line that are supposed to "polarize" the fuel molecules, claiming more efficient combustion. Motor Trend was advertising them back in 1974!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    An even older scam that still persists are the "gasoline pills." This scam originated in the 1920s or 1930s. I can't believe there are rubes who still fall for it.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    They were talkinjg about those gas pills the other night on coast to coast and one of the scientists in alternative fuels said it's a big hoax. Anyways urinal water here in Dumas is $2.87 for 86'. :sick:

    Rocky
  • turboshadowturboshadow Member Posts: 338
    So would this be kinda like that "water injection" that was a passing fad in the 70's?

    Could be...or could be the urea injection that was going to save the diesels from the 2207 emissions standards. :surprise:
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    :sick:

    Rocky
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    Gas is down to $3.20, wuhoo!
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    What a deal :surprise:

    Rocky
  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    prices are creeping upwards in new england.
    as a green measure i have been trying to drive closer to 70 than to 80 and have set my vehicle's "overspeed indicator" to 85 mph.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Prices went up 2 cents across the board at the local Sunoco. Regular is now $2.95, Plus is $3.05, "premium?"91 is $3.10, and "ultra?"93 is $3.15. Octane booster is holding steady at $4.19 a bottle.

    I heard that the price of crude fell with the death of that Al Qaeda guy. I have yet to see any effect. I hope that guy is in the Muslim version of hell where he gets his 72 virgins and they're all Rosie O'Donnell!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    We all know the least little excuse and the prices go up 30 cents here and the media passes on the excuse from the faxes from the petroleum insistute... "The price of gas went up 28 cents locally because Iran refused to allow their cars be driven into the nuclear reactors at the request of the UN."

    When something good happens, crude goes down, but the gas prices are held up and week later the average pricing is down $.03.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Now that's funny!!! And no Listerine.
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    my usual Sunoco in Palisades Park NJ... gas up 4 cents on all grades, diesel unchanged for about 3 weeks now.

    87 - $2.599
    89 - $2.999
    91 - $3.059
    93 - $3.099
    diesel - $2.799

    25 gallons of D, another 70 bucks...

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    regular price above should be $2.899
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Heh... that probably caused a stampede for a little bit! :P

    Still hanging steady at $2.75 here
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I filled the PU at Costco yesterday. Price $3.129. ARCO stations still at $3.18 the rest are higher.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Gas is anywhere from $2.85-$2.88 for regualr here :mad:

    Rocky
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