I have seen regular unleaded today all the way from Costco at $3.12 to Valero regular for $3.51. All self serve. I don't think there is a station that offers full service in my area of the county.
...actually fell four cents. Sunoco Regular is now $2.91, Plus is $3.01, "premium?"91 is $3.06, and "ultra?"93 is $3.11. Octane booster is still $4.19 a bottle.
You really ought to lay off that octane booster -- could be doing your cars more harm than good!
Here's what the 2007 Dodge Caliber owner's manual says:
The use of fuel additives which are now being sold as octane enhancers is not recommended. Most of these products contain high concentrations of methanol. Fuel system damage or vehicle performance problems resulting form the use of such fuels or additives is not the responsibility of the manufacturer.
Earlier it says, CAUTION! DO NOT use gasolines containing Methanol. Use of these blends may result in starting and driveability problems and may damage critical fuel system components.
And, in regard to using higher than recommended octane, Your vehicle is designed to meet all emission regulations and provide excellent fuel economy when using high quality regular unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87. The use of premium gasoline is not recommended. The use of premium gasoline will provide no benefit over high quality regular gasolines, and in some circumstances, may result in poorer performance.
So, please check your owner's manual. I'm confident the GM engineers who designed your cars know more about what's best for your car than the oil companies who have been brainwashing us for decades that higher octane is always "better."
here in the high desert of Pocatello, ID, have risen to the occasion and are not far off from the rest of y'all. We're staring at $2.79/gal for 87 no-lead and have had that price for a week or so.
I recall us enjoying prices around $2.31/gal a month-and-a-half or so ago here.
Kroger gasoline: $2.379 minus $.15 using Kroger card from purchases of $100 month before $2.259 minus rebate on credit card at 5% $2.139 approx.
If only this would last.
Suburban area near Dayton Ohio
Oh the lines were like the 70s lines (thanks to Carter). And on my second trip with the other car I saw the expected fight between two drivers when one cut in front of another where two different lines had formed to go to the same pump station!
up in the Laurel/Odenton/Millersville area of Maryland, I saw 87 octane for around $2.959-2.999 per gallon. It's still holding at around $3.059 in my neighborhood, though.
If you've seen me post this earlier, I apologize, but you'll probably take some solace in knowing there's a weird full-serve Exxon in my neighborhood (Riverdale, The Bronx) that's charging $3.99/gallon for diesel.
That's not a typo. I repeat -- three dollars and ninety-nine cents for one gallon of diesel fuel. It's been that way for at least 6 weeks.
What's worse is that people seem to be buying it at that price. Additionally, they charge $3.4X for 87 while a BP literally next door charges $3.2X, and yet the Exxon is always a-swarm with customers.
"here in the high desert of Pocatello, ID, have risen to the occasion and are not far off from the rest of y'all. We're staring at $2.79/gal for 87 no-lead and have had that price for a week or so.
I recall us enjoying prices around $2.31/gal a month-and-a-half or so ago here."
Man . . . if a place started selling regular at 2.79 here, they'd need to call out a few cops to direct traffic. At $2.31, people would be filling up wheelbarrows, garbage cans, and empty soda bottles.
We're stuck at $3.19-$3.26 for regular. I did see a couple of BPs up in Westchester that were down to $3.15 over the weekend. Sheesh.
...Sunoco Regular is now $2.89, Plus is $2.99, and "ultra?"93 is $3.09. No octane booster this week. I'm driving the 1988 Park Ave and she seems to be happy on that slop. I guess your sense of taste goes in your old age too.
as long as that car doesn't start having valve clatter under hard acceleration, you should be fine on a lower-octane fuel.
I put 93 octane in my pickup this last time, but only because prices got to the point that 89 was closer in price to 93 than 87. I think the price was $3.059/3.159/3.239. I usually fill up when the gas gauge needle gets to the half-way mark, so at the next fill-up, I'm going to put in 87, which will give it a mix of around 90.
Just pick up a few jugs of toluene at Home Depot. In any case, I seriously doubt that an '88 Park Avenue is running high enough compression for an octane booster to do anything.
...with octane booster. Would be curious as to what it would do, but as bumpy said, it most likely will do nothing but leave me $4.19 poorer. It would most likely impossible and/or cost-prohibitive, but I wonder what a 1988 Buick Park Ave would be like with a Northstar? The car appears smaller and is most likely lighter than my girlfriend's LaCrosse.
It would most likely impossible and/or cost-prohibitive, but I wonder what a 1988 Buick Park Ave would be like with a Northstar? The car appears smaller and is most likely lighter than my girlfriend's LaCrosse.
I've seen Ford 351s in Focuses and 426 Hemis in PT Cruisers, and one of my favorites was a 440 big block in a little mid-70's Dodge Colt 2-door hardtop, so compared to those, I'm sure a Northstar in an '88 Park Ave would be relatively simple!
Whie the Park weighs less than a LaCrosse, as is, by the time you beefed it up and accounted for the heavier V-8 engine, I'm sure it would end up weighing more. And the C- and H-body seemed to have a fairly big engine bay, so I'm sure it could be done. After all, they got the 4.1/4.5/4.9 under the hood, and while that was a pushrod engine with a fairly small displacement, IIRC the engine block and heads were actually pretty big.
That car should have been designed originally to run on 87 octane, but sometimes as cars get older, even if they're low mileage and well-maintained, the combustion chambers and valves can get a bit carboned up, and you need to go to a higher octane to keep them from clattering.
Here at home (central VA), prices are now $2.69 for 87. Farther south in VA, I saw it as low as $2.65.
In NC, it's higher -- in the $2.79+ range (must be higher state taxes).
In Charleston, it can be had for $2.60, and not too far north of the city, there were Sunoco and Citgo stations across the highway from each other that were selling 87 on Thursday for only $2.48!
Still not as low as Dayton obviously, but close!
Don't you guys read my posts about octane boosters and their worthlessness?
Rocky, your higher altitude is why 86 octane can be used -- the air is less dense, and so cylinder pressures are lower. The end result is that detonation (pinging) is less likely to occur.
Rocky, your higher altitude is why 86 octane can be used -- the air is less dense, and so cylinder pressures are lower. The end result is that detonation (pinging) is less likely to occur.
I still don't like the fact that in other states where the altitude is higher they have atleast 87, 89, 93 octane levels. I think it's a poor excuse for them to get away with giving the customer as lemko calls it "SLOP" at the same prices. We have 86, 88, 90 octane levels at the majority of gas stations. There are a few stations (mainly Phillips 66) where you can find 91' octane. Dumas has a few thank-god.
Neways gas dropped about 3 cents to $2.81 for 86' slop
As you recall, Rocky, I promised to let you know when price of 93 is more than $0.20 difference than 87. Now in DE 93 Octane has a difference of $0.25 compared to 87 Octane which suggest drivers of luxury/performance cars are get used to the high price of gas and demand more 93 instead of mid/low Octane gas, 87 $2.94, 89 $3.04, 93 $3.19 at Mobil.
In December, when I traveled cross country from Los Angeles to Virginia, octanes were even lower in the high-altitude areas of Nevada, Utah, and Colorado: 85 for regular, 87 or 88 for midgrade, and I believe 91 for premium.
It went UP ten cents to $2.99 from Saturday to Sunday!!! Good thing I filled up the Brougham with the glorious 94 Ultra the lucky people of Harrisburg still have!!!
LOL, lemko. I know how you and I could make money. We could buy some 94' Ultra in harrisburg and sell it down here in West Texas at $5.00 a gallon. These cars down here wouldn't know what do or how to run without there usual slop !!! I guess it would be like getting a Vitamin injection for us ?
Rocky
P.S. Dumas gas is $2.79-$2.83. Amarillo has it as low as $2.61 at one particular station
Compton, KY is the lowest price in country at $2.12
Compton, KY is the lowest price in country at $2.12
Who said gas would never get below $2.50 again. You just need a big gas tank and a hankerin' to visit Kentucky.
San Diego has gone below $3 at many stations. If we don't have any more knee jerk market reactions I think it will be at or below $2.50 across the country by Labor Day.
Nope he can't leave. :mad: It was suppose to be July 1st but they are keeping him for awhile since his trainee is going back to GM. I'll try to talk to him today and see if he knows anything more and I'll post it.
Prices at the Sunoco at Rhawn and Veree in NE Philly:
Regular = $3.01 Plus = $3.06 "premium?"91 = $3.11 - Yeah, a premium for slop. "ultra?"93 = $3.21
Saw "The Outlaw" octane booster at Home Depot for only $2.38! Trouble is, to use this stuff, you have to leave the tank run nearly empty before using it. I don't feel like having to shell out $64 all at once to fill up my Seville. It doesn't hurt as bad when it's in smaller increments, though it does feel like death by a thousand cuts.
Are you thinking that a higher octance level will "clean" you injectors? Or were you kidding?
I'd use Chevron's Techron fuel system or injector cleaner to do that job if I wanted. I do it occasionally and it does make a difference, even in my 03 3800. Follow directions on the can. It's not mousemilk like many over-the-counter injector cleaners.
Is that any brand of fuel injector cleaner or a particular brand. I imagine the Chevron Techron is the gasoline you use. I put a bottle of that injector cleaner in my 1988 Park Ave when I did an oil change two weeks ago. Car always ran fine.
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2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Here's what the 2007 Dodge Caliber owner's manual says:
The use of fuel additives which are now being sold as octane enhancers is not recommended. Most of these products contain high concentrations of methanol. Fuel system damage or vehicle performance problems resulting form the use of such fuels or additives is not the responsibility of the manufacturer.
Earlier it says, CAUTION! DO NOT use gasolines containing Methanol. Use of these blends may result in starting and driveability problems and may damage critical fuel system components.
And, in regard to using higher than recommended octane, Your vehicle is designed to meet all emission regulations and provide excellent fuel economy when using high quality regular unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87. The use of premium gasoline is not recommended. The use of premium gasoline will provide no benefit over high quality regular gasolines, and in some circumstances, may result in poorer performance.
So, please check your owner's manual. I'm confident the GM engineers who designed your cars know more about what's best for your car than the oil companies who have been brainwashing us for decades that higher octane is always "better."
87 - $2.859
89 - $2.959
91 - $3.029
93 - $3.059
diesel - $2.799
28.5 gallons of D, $79.75
kcram - Pickups Host
I recall us enjoying prices around $2.31/gal a month-and-a-half or so ago here.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
minus $.15 using Kroger card from purchases of $100 month before
$2.259
minus rebate on credit card at 5%
$2.139 approx.
If only this would last.
Suburban area near Dayton Ohio
Oh the lines were like the 70s lines (thanks to Carter). And on my second trip with the other car I saw the expected fight between two drivers when one cut in front of another where two different lines had formed to go to the same pump station!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
If you've seen me post this earlier, I apologize, but you'll probably take some solace in knowing there's a weird full-serve Exxon in my neighborhood (Riverdale, The Bronx) that's charging $3.99/gallon for diesel.
That's not a typo. I repeat -- three dollars and ninety-nine cents for one gallon of diesel fuel. It's been that way for at least 6 weeks.
What's worse is that people seem to be buying it at that price. Additionally, they charge $3.4X for 87 while a BP literally next door charges $3.2X, and yet the Exxon is always a-swarm with customers.
I recall us enjoying prices around $2.31/gal a month-and-a-half or so ago here."
Man . . . if a place started selling regular at 2.79 here, they'd need to call out a few cops to direct traffic. At $2.31, people would be filling up wheelbarrows, garbage cans, and empty soda bottles.
We're stuck at $3.19-$3.26 for regular. I did see a couple of BPs up in Westchester that were down to $3.15 over the weekend. Sheesh.
I put 93 octane in my pickup this last time, but only because prices got to the point that 89 was closer in price to 93 than 87. I think the price was $3.059/3.159/3.239. I usually fill up when the gas gauge needle gets to the half-way mark, so at the next fill-up, I'm going to put in 87, which will give it a mix of around 90.
Just pick up a few jugs of toluene at Home Depot.
Rocky
To be honest it's been a few days since I baught gas but I'm pretty sure it's $2.84+ here in Dumas.
Rocky
I've seen Ford 351s in Focuses and 426 Hemis in PT Cruisers, and one of my favorites was a 440 big block in a little mid-70's Dodge Colt 2-door hardtop, so compared to those, I'm sure a Northstar in an '88 Park Ave would be relatively simple!
Whie the Park weighs less than a LaCrosse, as is, by the time you beefed it up and accounted for the heavier V-8 engine, I'm sure it would end up weighing more. And the C- and H-body seemed to have a fairly big engine bay, so I'm sure it could be done. After all, they got the 4.1/4.5/4.9 under the hood, and while that was a pushrod engine with a fairly small displacement, IIRC the engine block and heads were actually pretty big.
That car should have been designed originally to run on 87 octane, but sometimes as cars get older, even if they're low mileage and well-maintained, the combustion chambers and valves can get a bit carboned up, and you need to go to a higher octane to keep them from clattering.
Sure can it's called natural gas. :P
Rocky
P.S.
I'll ask momma what gas prices are when she gets back.
In NC, it's higher -- in the $2.79+ range (must be higher state taxes).
In Charleston, it can be had for $2.60, and not too far north of the city, there were Sunoco and Citgo stations across the highway from each other that were selling 87 on Thursday for only $2.48!
Still not as low as Dayton obviously, but close!
Don't you guys read my posts about octane boosters and their worthlessness?
Rocky, your higher altitude is why 86 octane can be used -- the air is less dense, and so cylinder pressures are lower. The end result is that detonation (pinging) is less likely to occur.
I still don't like the fact that in other states where the altitude is higher they have atleast 87, 89, 93 octane levels. I think it's a poor excuse for them to get away with giving the customer as lemko calls it "SLOP" at the same prices. We have 86, 88, 90 octane levels at the majority of gas stations. There are a few stations
(mainly Phillips 66) where you can find 91' octane. Dumas has a few thank-god.
Neways gas dropped about 3 cents to $2.81 for 86' slop
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky
87 - $2.859
89 - $2.959
91 - $3.029
93 - $3.059
diesel - $2.759, down 4 cents
25 gallons of D came to just (he said with sarcasm dripping all over the keyboard) $69.
kcram - Pickups Host
I don't use enough to really care, but it's made a lot of people here happy.
Rocky
P.S. Dumas gas is $2.79-$2.83. Amarillo has it as low as $2.61 at one particular station
Compton, KY is the lowest price in country at $2.12
Highest is KAILUA KONA, HI at $4.04
National average is $2.83
Who said gas would never get below $2.50 again. You just need a big gas tank and a hankerin' to visit Kentucky.
San Diego has gone below $3 at many stations. If we don't have any more knee jerk market reactions I think it will be at or below $2.50 across the country by Labor Day.
Rocky
Here are my postings from Monday & today for 87 octane:
Monday:
Meijers: $2.99 (home)
BP: $2.98 (work)
Shell: $3.00 (work)
Gas City: $3.05 (near home)
Speedway: $3.05 (near home)
Today:
Meijers: $3.05
BP: $3.15
Shell: $3.19
Gas City: $3.19
Speedway: $3.17
And these are the western burbs. In the city it's higher, downtown, fuggedabouit.
:sick:
How you been? You dad's last day is coming up soon right?
Rocky
Gas here in Dumas is $2.89 for slop !
Rocky
P.S. Doing good U ?
Regular = $3.01
Plus = $3.06
"premium?"91 = $3.11 - Yeah, a premium for slop.
"ultra?"93 = $3.21
Saw "The Outlaw" octane booster at Home Depot for only $2.38! Trouble is, to use this stuff, you have to leave the tank run nearly empty before using it. I don't feel like having to shell out $64 all at once to fill up my Seville. It doesn't hurt as bad when it's in smaller increments, though it does feel like death by a thousand cuts.
Rocky
Rocky
I'd use Chevron's Techron fuel system or injector cleaner to do that job if I wanted. I do it occasionally and it does make a difference, even in my 03 3800. Follow directions on the can. It's not mousemilk like many over-the-counter injector cleaners.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,