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I believe it's a way to check on credit card fraud. If you don't know the zip code of the billing address, then you may be using the card fraudulently, as in stolen or reproduced. I've only run into it at Kmart (Sears) here in The Warm Midwest.
It would be fun to punch in the wrong zip code and see if it accepts it. At Kmart I just hit the cancel button and it goes on to charging normally.
Try the wrong zip and report back. I would really like to know what it does on a $40 gas charge. We once had Shell trying to contact us because our card was being used in Middle Michigan at motel and shops at a large (for then) discount shopping cluster. Since they didn't have a phone number they froze the card. I only discovered that after I was home and tried to fill up at the local Shell station.
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Well, I don't plan to go back to Calif. soon, so I'll not have a chance!
But I was in your neck of the woods on a trip to Indianapolis this past weekend. Paid $2.84 at a BP/truck stop on I-70 west of the Dayton area.
We returned through Cincy using I-74, then State Route 32 -- beautiful, deserted road, this last.
I like the split speed limits in OH and IN for cars vs. trucks. The latter may not go their speed limit, but at least they go slower than the car limit for the most part.
You went by where I live on your trip two times. I live in W. Ohio near I70 and used to live within a block of Route 32 just outside the Eastgate Mall since you said you took 32. The completion of the 4-lane past Batavaia Ford Transmission plant was a payout to local politians years ago is all I can figure. There's not that much need for the road as you saw. If you travel to Indy regularly Rt. 35 makes a nice cut from VA (Charleston W.V.) to Indy.
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It may not be at all stations. I know it is for ARCO. Costco does not charge to use a debit card. What caught my attention was the Spirit gas station showing on their signs 10 cents more for credit. Many stations say cash price. Which I assume means they charge. I know many stores charge extra for using CC in San Diego. Especially the computer parts places. I only use ARCO diesel and Costco for gas so I am guessing on some of them.
ARCO was $3.22 regular $3.03 for diesel this morning.
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Of course, the way around that is to use the ATM card *as* a credit card specifically. Try this the next time you are at Carl's Jr. Push *credit* and watch there be no fee.
Searing hot Casa Grande, about 50 miles south of Phoenix, is sitting at about 40,000 people right now. The motel clerk there was telling us that Casa Grande will have a population of 1.5 million people in only five years and that if you can swing a hammer you are needed in that region, right now. The sandstorms are kind of nasty on your car right after washing, though. I washed the Sportage is Willcox, AZ, at one of those self-wash places, then we went north to Casa Grande and a nasty duststorm brewed around 9:00PM and turned my nicely-cleaned Sportage into a mess with dust. Then it rained to fasten the dust to the little SUV, just to spite us!
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
WHAT-You guys get charged extra for a credit card usage ? What the heck do they want you to do carry a suitcase full of $100 dollar bills ? :surprise:
Rocky
Rocky
BTW $3.14 87, $3.24 89, $3.39 Shell
You mean the whole "government remove the speculators" thing?
I wasn't sure I followed what you were talking about. How do you have a 'market' and eliminate 'speculation'? Speculation about what future conditions MIGHT be is a central fixture on EVERY market on the planet.
Today, the going price in central VA seems to be $2.79 for 87.
Normally, gas is horrendously expensive in Kettleman city, which is about 100 miles from nowhere in the central valley. I've paid $3.89 a gallon there in the past, it's so steep. Usually there's as much as a $1 surcharge there - because there's no gas or food for an hour.
Premium was $3.31
Regular down the street from my work in Pasadena, Ca. is $3.35 Premium was $3.55.
I've written my Congresscritter about it - the math just doesn't add up. We're being gouged, plain and simple.
It is done all the time in stores, restaurants etc. I just used half a gallon of this stuff to get a picture for you all. I filled at Costco earlier today for $3.17 per gallon regular.
1.5 million people, my eye! Where is the water going to come from?
Do you still think your prediction of $2.00 gas and $40 oil is going to come true by this October?
Interesting about Ohio Route 32; I come from the state that invented political corruption: PA!
I'm sure you're aware that the Batavia Ford transmission plant is now slated for closure, and it opened relatively recently -- 1980.
I'm always in search of a good diagonal cut to shorten the trip to Indy -- I've noticed US 35 on the map, but saw that it's only 2 lanes in West Va. Do I risk being tailgated by jacked-up pickups on that lengthy stretch of road? Or slowed down by tractors?
What that station is doing is against CA law.
From that site:
The following states prohibit merchants from adding surcharges to credit card transactions
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida
Kansas
Maine
Massachusetts
New York
Oklahoma
Texas.
Also, VISA and MC prohibit minimum charges for service.
quote:
Visa's and MasterCard's regulations prohibit minimum charge amounts. American Express's regulations do not explicitly prohibit minimum charges, but its policy is to discourage any merchant practices that create a "barrier to acceptance." Amex does prohibit "discrimination" against the Amex card, however, so if a merchant has no minimum charge for Visa and MasterCard, the merchant may not discriminate against Amex by imposing a minimum charge.
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Now, technically, they can offer a "discount" for cash, but in this case, there is no such notice - just price A and price B.
Our prices are subject to change without notice. Please call for current pricing and item availability. Our prices reflect a 3% cash discount (cash, cashier's check, ATM/Debit or money order). VISA and MASTERCARD are accepted but not entitled to discount.
I thought what you have posted is correct. Just so many businesses defy the law. CA is the only state I have encountered this kind of CC treatment.
I think you missed my point.
HOW does one remove the 'speculators' from a market? "Speculation" is the BACKBONE of virtually every market I can think of.
If I decide to buy stock in Dell Computers at price 'x', I am 'speculating' about what the stock will do in the future and buying based on my own set of criteria. Conversely, the seller of stock at price 'x' has decided to sell because he 'speculates' about what the stock will do. There are, by NECESSITY, 'speculators' on both sides of the transaction.
The same holds true on a commodities market. If one is buying/selling futures in pork bellies, orange juice, precious metals, or.......hmmmmm, OIL, there are 'speculators' on both sides of the transaction. That is simply the NATURE of a market.
One might as well lament the fact that 'speculators' at Vegas make the casinos rich, so the government should step in to eliminate 'speculators' from gambling.
Talk about hot down there, though. Eeek!
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As mentioned earlier, the "magic" $3 barrier has been broken and the majority as still driving like there's no tomorrow. Oil producers are loving it. I can't tell you the countless people I see everyday driving like bats out of "w"ell, yet these same people complain about how much it costs to fuel-up. I think to myself "Well, if you slow down as a start, and do some other things you wouldn't use as much fuel." I think that it will take fuel to hit $4.50 ~ $5/gallon for people to wake up and get with the program. Until then, enjoy the +$3 prices. :sick:
To stay on topic, fuel is pretty much stable around here, holding in the $3.13 ~ $3.25 range for regular on my daily suburban route. Add minimum $.25 if in Chi-town, more if directly downtown :surprise:
I'm beating my head against a wall.
I'll try for the last time - and that's it (my head hurts :sick: )
Markets, BY THEIR NATURE, are speculative. If you took "speculators" out of a market, YOU'D HAVE NO MARKET. What MIGHT happen a month from now affects ALL commodities in ALL markets. It affects stock prices, it affects currency exchange rates, it affects EVERYTHING.
Anybody suggesting that the government could somehow eliminate 'speculators' from a market might as well suggest that the government not make it so hot in the summer or cold in the winter to save on energy usage.
Guess where else Sunoco Ultra 94 can be found? CANADA! of course it is extremely expensive $1.165CN per litre or about $3.72 US a gallon!
I thought I was persnickety.
rorr.....I agree that our commodity economy in this country is based on "bid/sell" futures (or speculators). There is, however, more than just anecdotal evidence that the recent rise in fule prices was planned by the BPs, Dutch Petroleum's (Shell), etc of the world.
While there's no doubt that there's been a confluence of world events (middle east unrest, growing world economies, etc) that has allowed speculation to rise, the BPs of the world has done their part in urging the price rise. They've also done their part by standing pat with their refinery capacity to force prices upwards.
When all is said and done, as long as I've been alive, there's been turmoil in oil producing countries that never affected world oil prices in the past as widely as it's being affected, now. The fact that those speculators have bid up prices with little or no supporting reason, and U.S. citizens aquiesence, lets them bid it up even more. They won't stop bidding it up until the citizen's say "enough is enough" and start pressuring our gov't representatives to quit being beholden to Special Oil Interest Groups.
Just a hunch, but I'd say if the money being thrown into campaign coffers by the oil industry were to be declared illegal tomorrow, within 12 months, the price of a gallon of gas would drop by 1/2.
Using history as a teacher, when the gas lines of the '70s first started and the dire predictions of running out of oil within a decade proved to be untrue, the price of oil dropped like a stone. Add to that, one of the few things Jimmy Carter did right, was to fine oil refineries for price gouging (exactly the same as we're seeing now) by artificially creating shortages. Within a year, a bbl of oil went from ~$20 bbl to ~$10 bbl since any obscene profit would have been taken away from the refineries via the fine.
We sure don't see our current pres and congress doing anything like that, do we.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Rocky
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