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Wow... that's weird. Maybe they changed the hub markings for Y2K ESOF trucks. Anyone else with a 2000 w/ESOF have hubs that say "FREE" and "LOCKED"? Or, could have been an assembly mistake at the plant. What happens when the hubs are in the "FREE" position and you engage 4wd?
lewac, I have a V-10, not a PSD. I know someone who has a similar truck, only with the PSD instead of the V-10, and hauls the same kind of camper. With the camper on, he averages about 5mpg better with the PSD than I get with the V-10 (I've got the 4.30 axle ratio).
As far as after market products and warranties, it's my understanding that there are federal laws that prohibit a dealer from denying warranty work unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused the problem. The Gale Banks site has some discussion about the warranty issues related to their aftermarket products.
today i picked up my truck from the dealer. i ordered an f250 sc psd 4x4. it was ordered 9/10 and arrived at the dealer 10/4. like everyone else i checked vopc religiously. on 10/4 it went from being released to the carriers to arriving at the dealer-all on the same day, technology is amazing. enough of the bs, the truck is great. the drive from the dealer to home was about 120 miles. i decided to add the ford diesel additive, right or wrong. i figured i would add it for 1 tank full of fuel. tonight will be the big test-will it fit in the garage, everybody seems to think so. the garage door opening is 84". i will keep you posted on fuel consumption etc. best of luck to you guys still waiting.
today i picked up my truck from the dealer. i ordered an f250 sc psd 4x4. it was ordered 9/10 and arrived at the dealer 10/4. like everyone else i checked vopc religiously. on 10/4 it went from being released to the carriers to arriving at the dealer-all on the same day, technology is amazing. enough of the bs, the truck is great. the drive from the dealer to home was about 120 miles. i decided to add the ford diesel additive, right or wrong. i figured i would add it for 1 tank full of fuel. tonight will be the big test-will it fit in the garage, everybody seems to think so. the garage door opening is 84". i will keep you posted on fuel consumption etc. best of luck to you guys still waiting.
Kermode...we applaud you for receiving your truck. Mine is "locked-in" to be built next week. As stated in an earlier post, I did get the test unit in the garage, but man was it CLOSE!! Might have to adjust the garage door a bit to clear the 84" header across the top. There is ONE annoying thing though, the radio antenna will drag pretty bad. I am going to buy an aftermarket antenna, one made of rubber that is about a foot shorter than stock. WALMART has these back in thier automotive section by the car stereos. I think they are under $10.00 bucks. Others in the group might want to make note on the above statement....
O.k., I spoke with the fleet manager at my Ford dealer. He said, "abs is standard equipment on F250 S.D's xlt and lariats and up (F350 ect.) Ford updated their web site this month on 2000 S.D's. Abs is listed as standard equipment on xlt's and lariats. Everybody sigh here. I feel much better now. Dave86 had me worried for a while, (I lost sleep over it).
sorry about any confusion I may have caused there. we read so many postings that who owns specifically what got lost in the shuffle. somewhere in the past (you go back quite a while) you probably mentioned whether or not you opted for the block heater (which it would seem logical that you did) as the potential for some really cold temperatures certainly exist up there. we're in Florida so kind-of don't have the problem (even though the heater is standard on the psd).
FIRST I WANT TO THANK ALL WHO POST TO THIS LIST, IT HAS BEEN AN INVALUABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. O.K. HERE GOES...F-250 SD V-10 2WD XLT EXT...CONS (NON-MAJOR JUST VENTING,SORRY IF IT SOUNDS PETTY). CUPHOLDERS-GOOD FOR POP CANS ONLY,IF YOU INSIST ON ANYTHING TALLER, HOLD ON TO IT BEFORE YOU TAKE THAT SHARP TURN..TRUST ME ON THIS ONE...COIN HOLDER- GOOD IDEA, BAD DESIGN WORKS GREAT AS A LAUNCH TUBE...CONSOLE-O.K.EVERYONE THAT JUST HAS TO HAVE A PLACE TO STORE THEIR LAP-TOP COMPUTER PLEASE RAISE THEIR HAND. (THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PUT TO MORE PRACTICAL USE).MAKES A GOOD ARM REST THOUGH,(PLACE TO PUT MY COFFEE MUG THAT WON'T FIT IN THE CUPHOLDER HAHA)..THAT LITTLE STORAGE POCKET IN THE DASH--SPEND .25 AND PUT SOME MATERIAL IN IT SO STUFF DOESN'T FLY OUT..LAST-YES THE BACK SEAT COULD BE A LITTLE WIDER UNDER THE LEGS(THEN IF IT WAS TO COMFORTABLE YOU WOULDN'T SPEND $$ ON A CC. NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS...THIS IS ONE B.A.D. LOOKING TRUCK I'VE NEVER OWNED A VEHICLE THAT GOT SO MANY COMPLIMENTS(AND I'VE OWNED SO MANY)..GIVE ME A TICKET RED,WITH LAVERN STAINLESS BOARDS AND MATCHING SNUG-TOP SHELL DARK,(BUT NOT TOO)WINDOW TINT..MATCHING GRAY DASH COVER(THINGS DON'T SLIP) V-10 W/4:30'S WILL PULL ANYTHING YOU DESIRE AND LEAVE POWER TO SPARE.I PULL A 86 23'FOUR-WINNS CUDDY OVER COLO. MTS. INCLUDING 11,313'MONARCH PASS. GET RIGHT AT 10 PULLING THE BOAT AND BEST WAS 15.1 FROM DENVER TO NEB. I CAN'T SAY MORE ABOUT THE SMOOTH RIDE..I LOVE THIS TRUCK SHE'S A KEEPER...
As they say in the newspaper business... I stand by my story (posts #890 & 894 under member name dave86). Four wheel ABS is an option on non-Lariat Super Duty trucks with an under 10,000 lb. GVWR. The cost is $319 invoice/$375 retail. On trucks that don't have 4WABS as standard, rear wheel only ABS is standard. If you don't believe me, try to order a F-250 SD XLT with 4WABS as standard equipment.
Note: early Y2K XLT orders (before 15 July, I believe) were processed with 4WABS as standard equipment, so there are some lucky folks out there who got what is now a $319 option for free.
We'll find out soon enough.. I just ordered a y2k f250 4x2 SC XLT, and the dealer told me that the 4w abs was standard on the XLT.. I plan on calling him again tomorrow to confirm this.. But we'll know for sure when it arrives in a few weeks..
Ok, I'm going to ask this at the risk of appearing technically ignorant. Here goes: Does a higher number axle ratio translate to more power to the driving wheels (faster) during acceleration, ex: 3.73 ratio vs 4.10 or higher ratio? I know that the higher ratio tends to afford worse fuel economy. Thanks for your help on this. I keep remembering from school, that the only dumb question is the one that's not asked, or something like that. :-)
Went to the dealer today and filled out all the paperwork on the truck. My financing check from the internet was running out of time tomorrow, and since the interest rates have gone up a little I wanted to use the check I had. Hopefully the truck will be here this week. I drove by the rail yard on the way to Gator Ford.....A LOT of cars and trucks there!!! Didn't see mine but..... Ken my salesman, was telling me about the fire at the V10 engine plant. I guess the whole plant burned.....He had to call people who ordered trucks with the V10 and tell them it would be an extra 3-4 months wait. From what he said they lost about 3 months of production engines in the fire. I got my order in about 2-3 weeks in time!! Lucky in some ways I guess. I did opt for the 5 year 75000 mile waranty today. It was $1540. I looked at waranty gold on the edmunds page which had a better price.....but I think I was scared about the acceptability factor. Gator Ford does not accept that type of waranty work. Does anyone have a 250 SD and the waranty gold. I guess an older superduty as I don't think a 99 has gone out of waranty for anyone. Oh well.....the wait continues.....
woah! still no truck in hand, huh? don't quite understand how the hell all these trucks can be sitting over in the rail yard since 9/30. it makes no sense whatsoever. we've read other posts whereby a truck comes in on rail one day and out to the customer (via the dealer) on the very next (or even the same) day. one thing is definitely for certain: there's a lot of incompetence lying around somewhere... but what are we to do? it's certainly not the salesperson (once the order is in it's out of their hands 'til' the truck actually arrives). VOPC said delivery around 10/11, right? so like you mentioned sometime this week is close.
we still have no DORA info 10 days after signing the dotted line. hmmnn... looking for it sometime this week as well.
knew that plant fire was going to "bubble" this around. we're concerned now about people switching their v10 order to psd. that'd screw us up because we're still not scheduled & there's no additional wait (in the psd "department") as of now.
we also looked at the extended warranty off Edmund's & the prices there are as you mentioned, substantially better than what the dealers are quoting. and we have the same concerns... acceptability and are these people going to be around for the duration (of whatever warranty chosen)? we're going to wait until delivery to make this decision as there may be a substantial warranty on the psd itself. we'd like to have the entire drivetrain covered for 7 years but that gets pretty expensive. however; our mechanic stated to always purchase the maximum length warranty while the vehicle is new (or nearly so) because ALL vehicles appear to begin going "south" right after the manufacturer's warranty expires (even for things like Lamborgini's!).
I have about 1000 miles on my 2000 FORD 4x4 sd 250 xlt v-10 4.30 ls. supercab. I am averaging 10.5 mpg local driving and 12.8 highway. I plan to be hauling loads up to 15000 lbs in the future using a gooseneck deckover. I'll post miliage when I start towing. S.E.
Thanks for the definition and example. So, based on your definition, would I be correct in assuming that the 3.73 axle would be the slowest off the line in comparison to the 4.10 and 4.30 but yield the best fuel economy of the trio? I'm trying to determine if the 3.73 would suit me fine (not a lot of towing done) or would appreciate the 4.10 better in terms of performance, taking into account a difference in fuel economy.
that is not good news about the V-10 engine plant. Any ideas to when the shortage is to start taking place. Mine is to be built THIS WEEK!!! So far the DORA still says I am scheduled to be built this week. I will be getting an extended warranty with mine. It is an additional 4-years 70,000 miles. I got a level 4, for $1027.00. The dealer originally told me $1250.00, but I was able to haggle down, and even got it in writing!! Checking various prices on the net, comparable warranties are selling for about $900.00. Hope you get your truck!!!! Stane1, thanks for info on gas mileage, your truck is almost identical to what I will hopefully get at the end of the month. Is your automatic? The only difference is I have the 3:73LS. How heavy is your foot?? If you have read some of my other posts, I will be adding some goodies to mine(borla exhaust, air-filter, chip upgrade), so I will report back as to the mileage, performance, etc... What color did you get? Island blue is the color I went with, have yet to actually SEE one, except for the paint chip page at the dealer. Barresa11, I will add my .50-cents worth to your gear dilema. I think what it boils down to, is what do you plan to haul, and where to. If most of your driving is going to be on the interstate, I would go with the 3:73, better highway mileage. If you plan shorter trips, or live in a hilly area, the 4:10 would be better, in addition to the quicker throttle response.(tire smoking, neck snapping, drink spilling...) I don't plan to haul to much, plus her family lives a MINIMUM of 5-hours away to the north, so I opted for the gear with the better highway fuel economy. ...more updates to follow....
Only my opinion so take it for what it's worth. The 4.30 will give you more pulling power off the line and a little less fuel economy. The power to me is more important. I can understand if you drive a lot of miles that the one or two mpg could add up but then a diesel might start making more sense at that point. One thing to remember is if you put oversize tires on that effectively moves your ratio back down ie: your 4.30 is more like a 3.73 and your 3.73 is more like a 3.55 etc. Depends on the tire size obviously. Anyway that's why I'm going 4.30's. Take care
Tom60 I asked the service manager at Ford and he said the Free selector is the same as the auto. I think the only way to find out would be to put the thing on a rack and check to see if the hubs locked or not.
When I first took delivery of my F250 Lariat CC SWB V10 4X4 3:73LS I was disappointed with the performance, but now after 200 miles she sure comes to life and I love it. My wife says that I'm obsessed with the truck and you know what, she is right!
I'm a tech-head by trade - I develop technical training material for 150HP motorcycles that go 170MPH right out of the box. The cylinder heads on the V10 use the technology from the company I work for. This company also makes the engines for the Taurus SHO. I crawled around underneath this beast and I'm happy to see Ford is using new high end technology. What a truck!!!!!!
I'm looking to order a 2000 F-250 SD 4WD V-10 SC LB XLT in the next couple of weeks (plant fire or no, as long as I get the truck by Xmas I'll be happy). My main worry now is the ride height and stiffness of the 4WD. I really don't need a jacked-up, off-road monster but I do need 4WD. So, two questions:
Can you order the a 4WD SD from the factory without the lift blocks installed? Is there some way to attach a rider to the vehicle order for a non-standard build instruction like that? Is there some dept. at the VOPC that I could get my dealer to call for a thumbs up/down on something like this?
Anyone installed an air suspension system in their SD? I've looked at what's available aftermarket, both helper systems and full spring replacements, and the prices aren't too scary. It'd be worth $1000 to me to be able to vary the ride height and for the softer ride. But how do the air-rides perform off-road? 95% of my off-road driving will be no more challenging than your average logging road
BTW, anyone get better highway mileage with a bed cap? If I thought I could get close to 15MPG with the V-10/AT/3.73, a canopy and an easy pedal foot, it'd assuage some of my concerns about ordering the V-10.
And one last really crazy question: anyone got an opinion about the back support of the primo 6-way driver's seat? The reason I'm such a baby about ride quality is that I've got a bad back from playing rugby (and no knee cartiledge, multiple concussions, etc.). A seat with good lumbar support is worth bucks to me.
In reference to the questions in paragraph 2 of your post #935: No, no, and no. Any suspension modifications other than those offered in the normal options packages need to be done after you take delivery of the truck.
I wouldn't worry about mileage with the V-10. Based on the information I've seen on this sight and others, you're only talking a 1 to 2 mpg difference from the V-8, if that. My belief is the extra power provided by the V-10 is well worth that. And, I don't think you'll get 15 mpg with a cap on the V-10; my guess would be somewhere in the 13 to 14 mpg range with the 3.73, AT highway driving. Of course, YMMV. Maybe someone who actually has this setup could let us know from their experience?
Last week I ordered a F250 SD CC 4wd V8 short bed. One option I chose was the camper package which includes among other things heavier front springs, auxiliary rear springs, and a rear stabilizer.
Now I'm beginning to think that the chances of ever putting a big camper on it are slim. I am inclined to keep the suspension upgrade but am afraid the added stiffness will beat the passengers up too much with the truck lightly loaded. Should I drop this package?
Received my '00 F350 CC LB PSD SRW 4x4 Lariat (loaded. dual alts, aux idle, etal). Am extremely happy. This thing is INCREDIBLE!!! A couple of comments for those interested. First, when taking delivery, check the 'eyes' on battery(ies). I have dual batteries and both were dead (died on me at home same day, embarrassing Was not a charge problem, bad cores. Ford came to house and replaced same day. Something to check that I overlooked... The 54e mirrors ARE available and ARE awesome. They are power for mirror movement but the 'telescoping arms' are manual. can push all the way in when not towing, and have 'marks' to pull them out the same on both sides (little hash marks). Additionally, a design improvement from last year is fact that the lower 'blind spot' mirror is adjustable, manually. You can push it up down in out to see sides of vehicle. A definate improvement. Even with my battery glitch, I am extremely satisfied. For those considering diesel, even those with gas, www.ford-diesel.com also has a lot of good information. By the way - Ordered August 24th, shipped Sept 21st, picked up Oct 10 (was out of town) hehe had to get that in, was very lucky! Good Luck All!
Putting a slide-in truck camper on a F-250 would definitely put you over the 8,800 GVWR. However, there are campers that are light enough to work for you or at least keep you close to the GVWR. You figure that if the truck weighs 6,500 pounds and you, your passengers, your gear, your gas, your propane, and the water for your holding tank weigh around 1,300 pounds, that only leaves you about 1,000 pounds for the camper. You can probably pick up a light slide-in that weighs in the 2,000 pound range, so you will still exceed the GVWR by about 1,000 pounds.
If you don't have any toys to tow behind you, slide-in campers are often not the best choice for most people. You can get the best bang for your buck with a conventional tow trailer. Slide-in campers are not cheap. You can get more camper of equal or better quality for the same price or, in most cases, less. Your truck will be rated to tow up to 10,000 pounds, which is the same tow rating as for the 1 ton SRW or dually. A conventional trailer also leaves your bed available to store other things or to put a shell on. Another consideration is a small fifth wheel. Your truck will actually be rated to tow a heavier fifth wheel than a 1 ton because of the additional weight of the 1 ton truck. I've got a slide-in and love it, but I plan to tow snow machines and four wheelers. I've also got a one ton dually.
wab3,
the majority of people I've talked to with the V-10 and 3.73 have been quoting in the 14mpg area on the hwy.
One thing that I am finding is that my quotes of the differences in mpg between the V-10 with 4.30 and the V-10 with the 3.73 might be a little misleading. The figures quoted by Stane 1 for the V-10 with 4.30 appear to be what I have been hearing more often. His figures are about 1mpg better than I am getting. His truck is a 3/4 ton and mine is a 1 ton dually. The dually option, and possibly the 1 ton chassis, might be costing me about 1mpg.
This might mean that the difference between the 4.30 and 3.73 is closer to 1-1.5 mpg, rather than the 2-2.5 less that I have been getting. I am sitting pretty steady at 9.5-10 in a mix of city/hwy and 11.5-12 hwy. Those numbers will not get any better for me with winter approaching, since I contribute to the carbon monoxide in the air by letting the truck warm up and windows defrost for about 10 minutes each morning.
Thanks to everyone for their input on the axle dilemma. I thought that I would go w/4.10 as a good compromise between power & fuel economy. My question is would I be better to just go w/the 4.30, as the fuel economy spread between the 3.73 and 4.30 doesn't leave a lot of room for the 4.10 as a worthwhile compromise. I drive about 8 miles one-way to work (part freeway). I work on one the big hills in Seattle (we have a lot of hills :-)). I plan on going to the mountains (read: Cascades & Olympics) and eventually doing some towing of a pair of Seadoos or small boat. I'd appreciate any input about which axle ratio would fit my needs and what economy to expect roughly. The truck would be v10 3/4 ton supercab shortbed w/auto & 4wd. Thanks (I really feel like a novice here but am learning fast!)
There is no choice between the 4.10 or the 4.30. If you get the diesel or the 5.4L V-8, you have the option of the 4.10 or the 3.73. If you get the V-10, you have the option of the 4.30 or the 3.73.
It's my understanding that the 4.10 didn't work right with the V-10 so they developed the 4.30. My guess is that it has to do with the two extra cylinders, but I'm no auto engineer. The 5.4L and the Ford diesel are both eight cylinder engines.
The 3.73 will easily handle the towing you're talking about. When you tow through the mountains, you'll probably tow more out of OD, but the truck tows fine in third.
If you opt for the 4.30 and you drive an average of 15,000 miles per year, the 4.30 will cost you about $20 more per month for gas, depending on gas prices in your area.
I've seen all the discussion of 6 speed vs auto and I guess it just comes down to personal preference. How are the clutches that come with the manual transmission? Has anyone had any trouble with them? I just sold my 93 Toyota T-100 and I'm getting ready to order my F-350 PSD. (How's that for a jump?) I put 115,000 miles on my Toy and sold it with the original clutch. It seemed to me that as long as I used a low enough gear, I never had any clutch burn. I could even plow snow (in low 4wd) with no problem.
I have pretty much ruled out ever putting a camper on the truck. I'm tempted to keep the camper option package on the truck I ordered but do not wish to do so if the heavier front springs and auxillary rear springs will make the ride too rough. Do you think the heavier springs would noticeably affect the ride?
well, from a purely practical standpoint the 3.73 ratio will work just fine for you. if you opt for the 4.30 (as Brutus mentioned, the 4.10 is not available with the v10); you'll experience a little more power (remember that there's a 13% difference between the 2 ratio's), and a little less mileage (but probably not 13%'s worth as other factors besides ratio come into play)... so basically it's your choice (of course). as aforementioned, I'd opt for the 3.73 as it's the most practical choice for your overall situation. you're not pulling/hauling heavy loads and you're not going to win many races no matter which ratio is chosen. however; I'm a rather "smooth" driver with easy acceleration/deceleration curves (when you tote around a big fiver it doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to do otherwise). your driving style may of course, differ and if so the 4.3 ratio is your only alternate. note, though; there may very well be a BIG delay on vehicles being ordered with v10s regardless of the ratio chosen (that are not yet scheduled for build) because of that engine plant fire (and excursions are doing some "siphoning"). the word is an additional 3 months. that's a real bummer because we've gotten word on other posts that the v8 (your only other practical choice) does not generate enough "umph" for this truck (especially since you're considering the 4.3 ratio to gain additional performance). like the rest, we can only suggest. hope this helps.
Crazyelvis... well, Ken's off today & tomorrow so probably no truck for you & no DORA info for us 'til at least Thursday (tempus fugit, huh?). you're onto 2 months now so hope you get it this week. we're onto 2 weeks from order (Thursday) & need that DORA info (fortunately for both of us your truck is built & ours is the psd (which shouldn't lengthen scheduling)).
the word we have is the truck doesn't even get scheduled until the entire truck is in inventory (in a million pieces of course) so you ought to be "safe" as the engine destined to go into your build has already been "spoken for" at time of scheduled build.
I have a 250 SD V10 on order, and am more than a little concerned about the info re a long delay in production. Does anyone have any more information on the fire? I tracked down the location of two factories involved in the production of V10s (Woodhaven Casting & Windsor Engine,) both in the Detroit area, and checked out the Detroit paper & the Windsor Ontario papers online, and neither had a word about a fire in the past couple of months. Talked to my salesman today, and he was trying to find out what was up, but hasn't called back. Any firm information would be appreciated. In the meantime, you can color me clean, unscheduled & mighty disappointed. . .
thanks for the reassurance on the truck. I checked the dora again tongiht, and still no change. the message states "as of oct. 14th, your unit is scheduled to be built week of oct.11.." Kind of strange, I was "locked-in" last week, then the message changed back to scheduled over the weekend. Right now, I am in week #7 since placing my order. Hopefully your order will get scheduled soon, mine took about 3.5 weeks to get scheduled from placement of order. I talked with dealer today, and he THOUGHT my unit came in, but no such luck. I guess some other guy ordered a Island Blue 4x4 V-10 truck like mine. I have YET to see the new color, so guess who is going to have a look-see at the color tomorrow?? ljutefisk, I wish I could answer your question about ride quality with the camper package, but one of the trucks I did test drive had the Heavy Duty Suspension Package, and it did not ride all that bad. I am kind of wondering how my truck will ride with the snow-plow package. Trucks are trucks, and are designed to actually ride better with some sort of weight in the back end. Of course for the SUPER-DUTY that might end up being about 1.5 tons of something!! Crazyelvis, did you say you were going to look into a tonneau cover? I don't recall from the earlier posts?(they are all starting to run together now) I am thinking of getting one and am now just starting the research on them. Any ideas? How is the weather down yonder???? On the engine plant fire, my dealership does not have any information either. I wonder what is up? ARE THEY with-holding information, clueless about it??....
In reply to Brutus (#926) and CrazyElvis (#925),I discussed extended warranty w/ my local dealer last week. Your engine block may be covered to 100k, but the transmission is not and I've already seen/heard too many horror stories. For $1180 the extended warranty seems like a deal to me, especially if you're towing, off road, etc. on a regular basis.
If I had gotten into the dealer before I passed the 12k mark on my 99 250SD CC PSD, the price would've been $100 less ($1080 - even better bargain). With the recent acquisition of EasyCare by Ford this is almost a no-brainer as you'll get roadside assistance, rental car, etc. in the event of a problem.
I guess it all depends on how, where and why you use your truck but it seems like cheap insurance for an expensive transmission to me!
lewac.....I think Ken is in at 8:30 on Wed. That is what the person answering the phone told me today.....I'll call in the morning and see....It is getting a little rediculous to say the least..in town 13 days now and still not at the dealer....well as of Monday. On the engine plant fire....I was told that the V10's were being built in the plan where the old 351's were built. That would be the Windsor plant I guess.....Always refered to the 351 as a "351 Windsor"....isn't that right. This is what Ken told me when I saw him Monday. Gossamar.....I think I am going to go with the roll top cover from pace edwards http://www.pace-edwards.com along with the bed rug. The only thing concerning me about the bed rug is not having the cleats on the side of the bed wall like I have with my duraliner now. Look at the pace edwards site and you will know what I mean. Oh well......I'll be calling again tomorrow to see if the new baby is in..... P.S.....I was getting really ticked thinking maybe my truck was damanged or something...but on monday when I went to the dealer they didn't have many trucks on the lot......they are stuck with mine I guess.......
Hi all, I've been reading all the posts for the last month... thanks for all the great posts ! I'm now ready to order (and wait for) a SD V-10, CC, 4WD, SB.... I was going to order a 250 with the 3.73ls, but given Brutus' recent post, I'm thinking I may need the 350 with the 4.30ls. Since 80% of my driving will be unloaded, in town or on highway, I'm most concerned about ride quality/stiffness (and a little about mpg), however I will be putting a Lance hardside camper (around 2,400 lbs dry weight) and pulling a 23' ski boat about 20% of the time. I don't mind dropping down to 3rd when towing up hills (biggest for me will be the grapevine just north of L.A.), but I do want to be able to go up the hills at 55+ and I don't want to be "overloaded"... Brutus, others, any comments or suggestions - thanks in advance
FYI on aftermarket exhausts for V10s: I've (and you've probably as well) heard that any aftermarket/performance exhaust don't sound like a truck--some would say it sounds bad.. well, here are the mods so far for my F250 V10 4.3 SC SB 4x4: custom true dual stainless steel 3" cat backs (2 Magnaflow mufflers) w/ 4" polished echo tips and custom header pipes (not headers themselves), Superchip, and Edelbrock throttle body.. and here's how it sounds like: http://members.tripod.com/jimveta/truck/trucksnd.wav (841 KB) due to the fact that the V10 always has cylinder(s) firing (i've been told) you can't get the intervals to create the lower frequencies for a more truck like big-block sound.. instead you get a viper'ish/sports car type sound (or as someone else put it, a V6 on steroids)
before your final decision on the bed cover, look at http://www.calconcepts.com and look at the roll-n-lock covers. I've seen these and they are quality. You can install them yourself. They also sell other items including the bed rug. Hope your truck arrives soon.
Truck still not in wed. morning!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
curriegw.....thanks for the info......But....the prices on that web site are kinda high...plus I would have to install.......I can get the roll top cover installed for $699 and the bed rug for $309. ($799 and $319 for the roll and lock and the bed rug on the calconcepts web site) but thanks for the info anyway. The roll and lock and the roll top cover look pretty much the same from what I can tell. Now I just have to get this darn truck to the dealer so I can pick it up. 14 days at the yard so far....GOING INSAAAAAAAAAANE!!!!!!!
This is my first post, and have been reading for months now. Ordered a SD V-10, 4wd, LB XLT, with 5spd on 8/18. Got a build date of 10/25, and delivery of 11/15. I will believe it when I am looking at the dealer disappear in it's rearview mirror. I live in an area in Montana where the well water is extremely deep, and if you can hit water it can be unpotable, or won't flow enough. So therefore, I haul water in a poly tank in the back of my 82 F250, so this new truck will be the new work horse. Got the camper package with it, and trailer tow group. It's pushing the paylod capacity but the 82 has handled it fine. The biggest reason I wrote is that I have been reading/hearing about people developing a knocking noise or miss in the V-10. It seems to happen coming off idle, or when they lay the wood to it, say during a passing situation. Ford is even replacing one guy's motor. It has occurred in 99' and 00' motors. Anyone heard about this or experienced this? I would like to know, cause if it's going to have a problem, trust me, it will happen to me.
No doubt, you have to go with the 1 ton. You'll still be overweight without the duallys, but the truck will handle it. You will almost certainly need airbags to keep the truck level. I've heard good things about the air-lift brand. Camping World sells them (www.campingworld.com). I may even get a pair with my duallys. They will really help stabilize your ride under the load. I think you can get a pair for about $350 installed. Another thing you might consider are Rancho 9000 adjustable shocks (www.rancho.cc).
If you want to get a lot of info on slide-in campers, airbags, shocks, etc, the Happy Campers site is really good (www.happycampers.net). Go into the chat area and you can do an index search by key words, such as "airbags". There is a guy named Brad who has a pickup with airbags and Ranchos and totes a Lance. He has nothing but good things to say about his whole setup.
Remember that the advertised dry weight of the camper does not include options. The options on my camper added 1,000 pounds. The thermal pane windows that help give my camper a -40 rating added a good chunk of that weight, but the AC, microwave and generator weigh about 100+ pounds each. The awning weighs about 50 pounds. It just all adds up. I forget the weight of water, gas and propane, but I'm pretty sure they are in the 6-8 pound range per gallon.
Like I said, the one ton with that camper is a necessity. When you've got toys to tow, a truck camper is the only way to go. You've gone top of the line with your Lance. I did a lot of research before I bought my camper, and had it narrowed down to Lance or Bigfoot. The 44" headroom in the queen cabover bed area, the basement storage, the fiberglass one seam design, and the subzero temp rating were the clinchers. It's nice to sit up in bed without bumping my head and I like being able to put my fishing pole and waders in the basement storage outside of the camper. Lance was definitely a close second for me.
shook1,
I've only heard of one guy so far who had a knocking sound with his V-10. My V-10 threw a rocker arm at 9,300 miles and was replaced by Ford with a new engine. Mine was a fluke problem that almost certainly occured during at the factory. I've put another 14,000 on this new engine and it has run flawlessly. Although the Ford V-10 was new to the pickups in the 99 model, it's not new to Ford. They've been running it in the Econoline vans for a couple years and in the RVs.
thanks for the info on the exhaust item, I will visit the site when I get home to my computer. The schools computers dont have that sound option. I am interested in the additional performance you have received with your add-ons, whether it be tire-smoking performance, gas-mileage, or grin factor! If you have read some of my earlier posts, I will be adding a Borla cat-back system, Jet-chip upgrade, and K/N filter. If you don't mind me asking, how much was the edelbrock manifold, and did you install this yourself??? Crazyelvis, do we need to send some tylenol with codene to keep things in check???
Crazyelvis, I had better luck with getting my truck. It was built about a week after yours I believe. It was released Oct 4 and the dealer had it Oct 7. I was on vacation and just picked it up yesterday. I really like it. Did not buy ext. warranty, undercoating, paint sealant, or ID etched in glass to help recover stolen vehicle. This is where the dealers make their money.
My desk has been shaking from listening to your exhaust sound. Cool. Have you noticed a performance increase ? Have you make improvements in steps where you can determine what has given you the most performance increase for your money?
Speaking of performance articles, I found an independent review of the Banks Stinger and Power Pak systems. The test vehicle was a Dodge 12V Cummins, but similar results can likely be expected with the Ford. The Stinger systems cost about $500-$600. The full Power Pak is closer to $1,500. I'm guessing that installation is probably in the $400-$500 range.
I haven't seen any figures on the V-10, but for the 460, Banks advertises increases of 36 hp and 50 lb-ft of torque with the Stinger and 68hp and 85 lb-ft with the full Power Pak. The Stinger appears to be a combo of ram air and cat back exhaust.
By the way, we had our first day of snow here in Anchorage today. It didn't stick, but it's almost time to dust off that ESOF knob on the dash.
Speaking of performance articles, I found an independent review of the Banks Stinger and Power Pak systems. The test vehicle was a Dodge 12V Cummins, but similar results can likely be expected with the Ford. The Stinger systems cost about $500-$600. The full Power Pak is closer to $1,500. I'm guessing that installation is probably in the $400-$500 range.
I haven't seen any figures on the V-10, but for the 460, Banks advertises increases of 36 hp and 50 lb-ft of torque with the Stinger and 68hp and 85 lb-ft with the full Power Pak. The Stinger appears to be a combo of ram air and cat back exhaust.
By the way, we had our first day of snow here in Anchorage today. It didn't stick, but it's almost time to dust off that ESOF knob on the dash.
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Dave
As far as after market products and warranties, it's my understanding that there are federal laws that prohibit a dealer from denying warranty work unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused the problem. The Gale Banks site has some discussion about the warranty issues related to their aftermarket products.
www.galebanks.com
enough of the bs, the truck is great. the drive from the dealer to home was about 120 miles. i decided to add the ford diesel additive, right or wrong. i figured i would add it for 1 tank full of fuel. tonight will be the big test-will it fit in the garage, everybody seems to think so. the garage door opening is 84". i will keep you posted on fuel consumption etc. best of luck to you guys still waiting.
enough of the bs, the truck is great. the drive from the dealer to home was about 120 miles. i decided to add the ford diesel additive, right or wrong. i figured i would add it for 1 tank full of fuel. tonight will be the big test-will it fit in the garage, everybody seems to think so. the garage door opening is 84". i will keep you posted on fuel consumption etc. best of luck to you guys still waiting.
O.K. HERE GOES...F-250 SD V-10 2WD XLT EXT...CONS (NON-MAJOR JUST VENTING,SORRY IF IT SOUNDS PETTY). CUPHOLDERS-GOOD FOR POP CANS ONLY,IF YOU INSIST ON ANYTHING TALLER, HOLD ON TO IT BEFORE YOU TAKE THAT SHARP TURN..TRUST ME ON THIS ONE...COIN HOLDER- GOOD IDEA, BAD DESIGN WORKS GREAT AS A LAUNCH TUBE...CONSOLE-O.K.EVERYONE THAT JUST HAS TO HAVE A PLACE TO STORE THEIR LAP-TOP COMPUTER PLEASE RAISE THEIR HAND. (THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PUT TO MORE PRACTICAL USE).MAKES A GOOD ARM REST THOUGH,(PLACE TO PUT MY COFFEE MUG THAT WON'T FIT IN THE CUPHOLDER HAHA)..THAT LITTLE STORAGE POCKET IN THE DASH--SPEND .25 AND PUT SOME MATERIAL IN IT SO STUFF DOESN'T FLY OUT..LAST-YES THE BACK SEAT COULD BE A LITTLE WIDER UNDER THE LEGS(THEN IF IT WAS TO COMFORTABLE YOU WOULDN'T SPEND $$ ON A CC. NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS...THIS IS ONE B.A.D. LOOKING TRUCK I'VE NEVER OWNED A VEHICLE THAT GOT SO MANY COMPLIMENTS(AND I'VE OWNED SO MANY)..GIVE ME A TICKET RED,WITH LAVERN STAINLESS BOARDS AND MATCHING SNUG-TOP SHELL DARK,(BUT NOT TOO)WINDOW TINT..MATCHING GRAY DASH COVER(THINGS DON'T SLIP) V-10 W/4:30'S WILL PULL ANYTHING YOU DESIRE AND LEAVE POWER TO SPARE.I PULL A 86 23'FOUR-WINNS CUDDY OVER COLO. MTS. INCLUDING 11,313'MONARCH PASS. GET RIGHT AT 10 PULLING THE BOAT AND BEST WAS 15.1 FROM DENVER TO NEB. I CAN'T SAY MORE ABOUT THE SMOOTH RIDE..I LOVE THIS TRUCK SHE'S A KEEPER...
Note: early Y2K XLT orders (before 15 July, I believe) were processed with 4WABS as standard equipment, so there are some lucky folks out there who got what is now a $319 option for free.
Roger
Ken my salesman, was telling me about the fire at the V10 engine plant. I guess the whole plant burned.....He had to call people who ordered trucks with the V10 and tell them it would be an extra 3-4 months wait. From what he said they lost about 3 months of production engines in the fire. I got my order in about 2-3 weeks in time!! Lucky in some ways I guess. I did opt for the 5 year 75000 mile waranty today. It was $1540. I looked at waranty gold on the edmunds page which had a better price.....but I think I was scared about the acceptability factor. Gator Ford does not accept that type of waranty work. Does anyone have a 250 SD and the waranty gold. I guess an older superduty as I don't think a 99 has gone out of waranty for anyone. Oh well.....the wait continues.....
we still have no DORA info 10 days after signing the dotted line. hmmnn... looking for it sometime this week as well.
knew that plant fire was going to "bubble" this around. we're concerned now about people switching their v10 order to psd. that'd screw us up because we're still not scheduled & there's no additional wait (in the psd "department") as of now.
we also looked at the extended warranty off Edmund's & the prices there are as you mentioned, substantially better than what the dealers are quoting. and we have the same concerns... acceptability and are these people going to be around for the duration (of whatever warranty chosen)? we're going to wait until delivery to make this decision as there may be a substantial warranty on the psd itself. we'd like to have the entire drivetrain covered for 7 years but that gets pretty expensive. however; our mechanic stated to always purchase the maximum length warranty while the vehicle is new (or nearly so) because ALL vehicles appear to begin going "south" right after the manufacturer's warranty expires (even for things like Lamborgini's!).
I will be getting an extended warranty with mine. It is an additional 4-years 70,000 miles. I got a level 4, for $1027.00. The dealer originally told me $1250.00, but I was able to haggle down, and even got it in writing!! Checking various prices on the net, comparable warranties are selling for about $900.00. Hope you get your truck!!!!
Stane1, thanks for info on gas mileage, your truck is almost identical to what I will hopefully get at the end of the month. Is your automatic? The only difference is I have the 3:73LS. How heavy is your foot?? If you have read some of my other posts, I will be adding some goodies to mine(borla exhaust, air-filter, chip upgrade), so I will report back as to the mileage, performance, etc... What color did you get? Island blue is the color I went with, have yet to actually SEE one, except for the paint chip page at the dealer.
Barresa11, I will add my .50-cents worth to your gear dilema. I think what it boils down to, is what do you plan to haul, and where to. If most of your driving is going to be on the interstate, I would go with the 3:73, better highway mileage. If you plan shorter trips, or live in a hilly area, the 4:10 would be better, in addition to the quicker throttle response.(tire smoking, neck snapping, drink spilling...) I don't plan to haul to much, plus her family lives a MINIMUM of 5-hours away to the north, so I opted for the gear with the better highway fuel economy.
...more updates to follow....
Take care
When I first took delivery of my F250 Lariat CC SWB V10 4X4 3:73LS I was disappointed with the performance, but now after 200 miles she sure comes to life and I love it. My wife says that I'm obsessed with the truck and you know what, she is right!
I'm a tech-head by trade - I develop technical training material for 150HP motorcycles that go 170MPH right out of the box. The cylinder heads on the V10 use the technology from the company I work for. This company also makes the engines for the Taurus SHO. I crawled around underneath this beast and I'm happy to see Ford is using new high end technology. What a truck!!!!!!
Can you order the a 4WD SD from the factory without the lift blocks installed? Is there some way to attach a rider to the vehicle order for a non-standard build instruction like that? Is there some dept. at the VOPC that I could get my dealer to call for a thumbs up/down on something like this?
Anyone installed an air suspension system in their SD? I've looked at what's available aftermarket, both helper systems and full spring replacements, and the prices aren't too scary. It'd be worth $1000 to me to be able to vary the ride height and for the softer ride. But how do the air-rides perform off-road? 95% of my off-road driving will be no more challenging than your average logging road
BTW, anyone get better highway mileage with a bed cap? If I thought I could get close to 15MPG with the V-10/AT/3.73, a canopy and an easy pedal foot, it'd assuage some of my concerns about ordering the V-10.
And one last really crazy question: anyone got an opinion about the back support of the primo 6-way driver's seat? The reason I'm such a baby about ride quality is that I've got a bad back from playing rugby (and no knee cartiledge, multiple concussions, etc.). A seat with good lumbar support is worth bucks to me.
I wouldn't worry about mileage with the V-10. Based on the information I've seen on this sight and others, you're only talking a 1 to 2 mpg difference from the V-8, if that. My belief is the extra power provided by the V-10 is well worth that. And, I don't think you'll get 15 mpg with a cap on the V-10; my guess would be somewhere in the 13 to 14 mpg range with the 3.73, AT highway driving. Of course, YMMV. Maybe someone who actually has this setup could let us know from their experience?
Dave
One option I chose was the camper package which includes among other things heavier front springs, auxiliary rear springs, and a rear stabilizer.
Now I'm beginning to think that the chances of ever putting a big camper on it are slim. I am inclined to keep the suspension upgrade but am afraid the added stiffness will beat the passengers up too much with the truck lightly loaded. Should I drop this package?
Anyone have any thoughts or experiences on this?
Putting a slide-in truck camper on a F-250 would definitely put you over the 8,800 GVWR. However, there are campers that are light enough to work for you or at least keep you close to the GVWR. You figure that if the truck weighs 6,500 pounds and you, your passengers, your gear, your gas, your propane, and the water for your holding tank weigh around 1,300 pounds, that only leaves you about 1,000 pounds for the camper. You can probably pick up a light slide-in that weighs in the 2,000 pound range, so you will still exceed the GVWR by about 1,000 pounds.
If you don't have any toys to tow behind you, slide-in campers are often not the best choice for most people. You can get the best bang for your buck with a conventional tow trailer. Slide-in campers are not cheap. You can get more camper of equal or better quality for the same price or, in most cases, less. Your truck will be rated to tow up to 10,000 pounds, which is the same tow rating as for the 1 ton SRW or dually. A conventional trailer also leaves your bed available to store other things or to put a shell on. Another consideration is a small fifth wheel. Your truck will actually be rated to tow a heavier fifth wheel than a 1 ton because of the additional weight of the 1 ton truck. I've got a slide-in and love it, but I plan to tow snow machines and four wheelers. I've also got a one ton dually.
wab3,
the majority of people I've talked to with the V-10 and 3.73 have been quoting in the 14mpg area on the hwy.
One thing that I am finding is that my quotes of the differences in mpg between the V-10 with 4.30 and the V-10 with the 3.73 might be a little misleading. The figures quoted by Stane 1 for the V-10 with 4.30 appear to be what I have been hearing more often. His figures are about 1mpg better than I am getting. His truck is a 3/4 ton and mine is a 1 ton dually. The dually option, and possibly the 1 ton chassis, might be costing me about 1mpg.
This might mean that the difference between the 4.30 and 3.73 is closer to 1-1.5 mpg, rather than the 2-2.5 less that I have been getting. I am sitting pretty steady at 9.5-10 in a mix of city/hwy and 11.5-12 hwy. Those numbers will not get any better for me with winter approaching, since I contribute to the carbon monoxide in the air by letting the truck warm up and windows defrost for about 10 minutes each morning.
It's my understanding that the 4.10 didn't work right with the V-10 so they developed the 4.30. My guess is that it has to do with the two extra cylinders, but I'm no auto engineer. The 5.4L and the Ford diesel are both eight cylinder engines.
The 3.73 will easily handle the towing you're talking about. When you tow through the mountains, you'll probably tow more out of OD, but the truck tows fine in third.
If you opt for the 4.30 and you drive an average of 15,000 miles per year, the 4.30 will cost you about $20 more per month for gas, depending on gas prices in your area.
I have pretty much ruled out ever putting a camper on the truck. I'm tempted to keep the camper option package on the truck I ordered but do not wish to do so if the heavier front springs and auxillary rear springs will make the ride too rough. Do you think the heavier springs would noticeably affect the ride?
Crazyelvis... well, Ken's off today & tomorrow so probably no truck for you & no DORA info for us 'til at least Thursday (tempus fugit, huh?). you're onto 2 months now so hope you get it this week. we're onto 2 weeks from order (Thursday) & need that DORA info (fortunately for both of us your truck is built & ours is the psd (which shouldn't lengthen scheduling)).
Any firm information would be appreciated. In the meantime, you can color me clean, unscheduled & mighty disappointed. . .
ljutefisk, I wish I could answer your question about ride quality with the camper package, but one of the trucks I did test drive had the Heavy Duty Suspension Package, and it did not ride all that bad. I am kind of wondering how my truck will ride with the snow-plow package. Trucks are trucks, and are designed to actually ride better with some sort of weight in the back end. Of course for the SUPER-DUTY that might end up being about 1.5 tons of something!!
Crazyelvis, did you say you were going to look into a tonneau cover? I don't recall from the earlier posts?(they are all starting to run together now) I am thinking of getting one and am now just starting the research on them. Any ideas? How is the weather down yonder????
On the engine plant fire, my dealership does not have any information either. I wonder what is up? ARE THEY with-holding information, clueless about it??....
If I had gotten into the dealer before I passed the 12k mark on my 99 250SD CC PSD, the price would've been $100 less ($1080 - even better bargain). With the recent acquisition of EasyCare by Ford this is almost a no-brainer as you'll get roadside assistance, rental car, etc. in the event of a problem.
I guess it all depends on how, where and why you use your truck but it seems like cheap insurance for an expensive transmission to me!
On the engine plant fire....I was told that the V10's were being built in the plan where the old 351's were built. That would be the Windsor plant I guess.....Always refered to the 351 as a "351 Windsor"....isn't that right. This is what Ken told me when I saw him Monday.
Gossamar.....I think I am going to go with the roll top cover from pace edwards
http://www.pace-edwards.com
along with the bed rug. The only thing concerning me about the bed rug is not having the cleats on the side of the bed wall like I have with my duraliner now. Look at the pace edwards site and you will know what I mean.
Oh well......I'll be calling again tomorrow to see if the new baby is in.....
P.S.....I was getting really ticked thinking maybe my truck was damanged or something...but on monday when I went to the dealer they didn't have many trucks on the lot......they are stuck with mine I guess.......
I've (and you've probably as well) heard that
any aftermarket/performance exhaust don't sound
like a truck--some would say it sounds bad..
well, here are the mods so far for my F250 V10
4.3 SC SB 4x4: custom true dual stainless steel 3"
cat backs (2 Magnaflow mufflers) w/ 4" polished
echo tips and custom header pipes (not headers
themselves), Superchip, and Edelbrock throttle
body.. and here's how it sounds like:
http://members.tripod.com/jimveta/truck/trucksnd.wav (841 KB)
due to the fact that the V10 always has cylinder(s) firing (i've been told) you can't get
the intervals to create the lower frequencies for
a more truck like big-block sound.. instead you
get a viper'ish/sports car type sound (or as
someone else put it, a V6 on steroids)
before your final decision on the bed cover, look at http://www.calconcepts.com and look at the roll-n-lock covers. I've seen these and they are quality. You can install them yourself. They also sell other items including the bed rug. Hope your truck arrives soon.
curriegw.....thanks for the info......But....the prices on that web site are kinda high...plus I would have to install.......I can get the roll top cover installed for $699 and the bed rug for $309.
($799 and $319 for the roll and lock and the bed rug on the calconcepts web site) but thanks for the info anyway. The roll and lock and the roll top cover look pretty much the same from what I can tell.
Now I just have to get this darn truck to the dealer so I can pick it up. 14 days at the yard so far....GOING INSAAAAAAAAAANE!!!!!!!
The biggest reason I wrote is that I have been reading/hearing about people developing a knocking noise or miss in the V-10. It seems to happen coming off idle, or when they lay the wood to it, say during a passing situation. Ford is even replacing one guy's motor. It has occurred in 99' and 00' motors. Anyone heard about this or experienced this? I would like to know, cause if it's going to have a problem, trust me, it will happen to me.
No doubt, you have to go with the 1 ton. You'll still be overweight without the duallys, but the truck will handle it. You will almost certainly need airbags to keep the truck level. I've heard good things about the air-lift brand. Camping World sells them (www.campingworld.com). I may even get a pair with my duallys. They will really help stabilize your ride under the load. I think you can get a pair for about $350 installed. Another thing you might consider are Rancho 9000 adjustable shocks (www.rancho.cc).
If you want to get a lot of info on slide-in campers, airbags, shocks, etc, the Happy Campers site is really good (www.happycampers.net). Go into the chat area and you can do an index search by key words, such as "airbags". There is a guy named Brad who has a pickup with airbags and Ranchos and totes a Lance. He has nothing but good things to say about his whole setup.
Remember that the advertised dry weight of the camper does not include options. The options on my camper added 1,000 pounds. The thermal pane windows that help give my camper a -40 rating added a good chunk of that weight, but the AC, microwave and generator weigh about 100+ pounds each. The awning weighs about 50 pounds. It just all adds up. I forget the weight of water, gas and propane, but I'm pretty sure they are in the 6-8 pound range per gallon.
Like I said, the one ton with that camper is a necessity. When you've got toys to tow, a truck camper is the only way to go. You've gone top of the line with your Lance. I did a lot of research before I bought my camper, and had it narrowed down to Lance or Bigfoot. The 44" headroom in the queen cabover bed area, the basement storage, the fiberglass one seam design, and the subzero temp rating were the clinchers. It's nice to sit up in bed without bumping my head and I like being able to put my fishing pole and waders in the basement storage outside of the camper. Lance was definitely a close second for me.
shook1,
I've only heard of one guy so far who had a knocking sound with his V-10. My V-10 threw a rocker arm at 9,300 miles and was replaced by Ford with a new engine. Mine was a fluke problem that almost certainly occured during at the factory. I've put another 14,000 on this new engine and it has run flawlessly. Although the Ford V-10 was new to the pickups in the 99 model, it's not new to Ford. They've been running it in the Econoline vans for a couple years and in the RVs.
manifold, and did you install this yourself???
Crazyelvis, do we need to send some tylenol with codene to keep things in check???
I haven't seen any figures on the V-10, but for the 460, Banks advertises increases of 36 hp and 50 lb-ft of torque with the Stinger and 68hp and 85 lb-ft with the full Power Pak. The Stinger appears to be a combo of ram air and cat back exhaust.
By the way, we had our first day of snow here in Anchorage today. It didn't stick, but it's almost time to dust off that ESOF knob on the dash.
The article was at:
http://rversonline.org/ArtBanksQ%26A.html
I haven't seen any figures on the V-10, but for the 460, Banks advertises increases of 36 hp and 50 lb-ft of torque with the Stinger and 68hp and 85 lb-ft with the full Power Pak. The Stinger appears to be a combo of ram air and cat back exhaust.
By the way, we had our first day of snow here in Anchorage today. It didn't stick, but it's almost time to dust off that ESOF knob on the dash.
The article was at:
http://rversonline.org/ArtBanksQ%26A.html