99silverado vibration problem

rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
edited March 2014 in Chevrolet
Purchased 5.3,ext-cab, z71 that developed what
seemed to be a drive train vibration at speeds over
45 mph. After trying to fix problem, GM took truck
back. Other trucks on the lot have same problem.
Am trying to find out how large this problem is, or
is it restricted to a certain lot of trucks.
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  • tungletungle Member Posts: 56
    Take a look at topic #624 (trans vibration)
    to see if that's the same problem you had.
    Also please tell us more of your problem if
    you know further info.

    THanks,
    Tung
  • butchkbutchk Member Posts: 7
    I have a 2wd 5.3 ext.cab Silverado.My vibration
    seems to occur after accelerating from a stop
    right after it shifts into 2nd gear(around 15mph)
    and starts to smooth out after 25mph.Makes you want to gun it a bit just to get past the vibes.
    I thought it may be anything from a bad U-joint,
    to Goodyear tires,transmission,Etc.Maybe I'll
    just take some kind of Yoga class so I can just
    smile when it happens.
  • rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
    This problem fits one of the #624 scenarios. I too am aware of the GM response of a possible fix in mid-may. Normally they can handle their problems through the warranty program, but they may have a costly trans. problem on their hands in this case.Thanks for the reference. rkh
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    rkh,
    What GM response did you get concerning a possible fix in mid-may?

    I doubt a costly transmission problem is likely since thousands of 4L-60E transmissions have been in service before the introduction of '99 Silverado/Sierra. If anything, it's going to be one of those powertrain control module proms getting re-flashed with up-dated codes. Or they will tell us it's normal if it doesn't have an adverse effect on durability.

    They never really fixed those rattling exhaust heat shields on the pre-'99's. We don't have that problem so they gave us a new one.
  • rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
    I hope your right with an updated code fix as my present truck is on its last legs. The GM bulletin, issued the last of March, stated that they were aware of the vibration and noise problem, and might have a solution by mid May. The vagueness and length of time for a possible calibration or code fix seemed strange to me. Also, it's not often that a dealer takes back a vehicle. Thanks for your response and info.
  • RichRich Member Posts: 128
    quad500,
    It is POSSIBLE that a code change in the transmission could solve the problem. Maybe the engine and transmission work well for emissions but have this shudder problem. It sounds like too high a gear ratio for engine RPM at the moment.

    Just a thought to all of you who have the problem. What is your rear axle ratio? Is there one ratio in common?

    Rich
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    There is a software update to the powertrain control module PROM. The software update has a part number, that the dealer will install with the Tech-II plugged into the programming port on your truck. The part number 16264304 is a transmission calibration. The description reads as follows:

    "new calibration to correct harsh 1-2 upshift and driveline growl. may affect fuel economy."

    What you can infer is that the "driveline growl" is naturally occurring resonant energy. The fix is to delay the torque converter lock-up. The penalty for doing this is a decrease in fuel economy from running the higher rpms to get beyond the frequency where the noise is centered.

    Probably no harm whatsoever with the noise, unless it is severe. My '99 Silverado was afflicted with this too, but with 7000 miles on the odometer, the growl has all but disappeared on it's own. I'm not sure what has changed, but I've been driving on the same stretch of road where I most noticed it before, and I can't seem to discern it now, or if I can, it is very slight or inconsistent.

    So after some thinking, I've decided in my case, the risk from changing the transmission calibration isn't worth the certainty of harming fuel economy, so I'm skipping the change for now. But if you don't want to, you can visit
    http://calid.gm.com/vci/
    , enter your VIN number, and find out if the transmission calibration update is available for your specific truck.
  • RichRich Member Posts: 128
    quad500,
    Do you think that the programming change would really affect your mileage much more than a couple of tenths?
    Rich
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    No, I don't believe so Rich.
  • rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
    to date! The vehicles on this lot with this problem are still sitting on the side with their service #'s hanging off the mirrors. In due respect, quadrunne500 may be hung up on this service update. In addition, the March
    GM bulletin stated that any attempt to correct the problem before a GM response would void the vehicle warranty.
  • gojonesgojones Member Posts: 15
    Had my Silverado (5.3L; 3.42; extended cab; short
    bed; 2wd) for one month today. Have vibration on
    takeoff and also occassionally at crusing speed.
    Took it in to have tires balanced and vibration
    checked. Called me later and gave me a case number
    for GM. Said GM engineers are working on a solution for changing angle of driveshaft. Does this sound logical. Will go along. Really like truck.
    Said no hard driving and truck will be OK.
  • rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
    Gojones, thanks for the info, this is what I,ve been looking for. Good Luck on your fix, and thanks again for the info. rkh
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    I have a Sierra SLE 1500, 2dr, 2wd, 5.3 auto, 3:42 long bed. It had a born on week of 5-3-99. My question is this. Does this vibration occur in either model or both (reg. cab, ext. cab) in either the 2wd or 4wd trucks, and does it occur in either the 3:42 or 3:73 or both? The reason I'm asking is that I had a vibration at ~ 63 MPH and was really severe at 68-70 MPH. So far it seems to be tire imbalance. The truck only has 800 miles on it, and I haven't noticed anything unusual in the transmission shifting so far.
  • rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
    knobby, The trucks involved at this dealers lot were the 4.8, 5.3, ext.cabs with auto track. Haven't heard of any other models being involved. Good Luck with getting your problem corrected.
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    To: rkh

    So, I'm assuming from your posting that I have nothing to worry about since I have a regular cab 2wd truck and not a 4wd extended cab. Am I correct?
  • rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
    Knobby- am only saying that I am aware of it on some of the silverado's I mentioned.
  • chevy4mechevy4me Member Posts: 203
    My truck has been to the dealer for the shudder at take off and low speed and the engine is not the problem.The driveline is whats being looked at next. Does anyone have information about this?
    My truck is an 1500 extended cab 2wd 5.3l with 3.42 rear
  • rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
    It is starting to look like GM has a drive line problem. Regardless of the number of threads on this site about the causes for this problem, I am still waiting for one that actually tells about the correction of the problem. Good Luck on getting the problem resolved, and if it is, please post it.
  • gojonesgojones Member Posts: 15
    I am having the vibration problem at cruising speed. Both the Dealer and GM say they are working on the problem. Dealer says its a driveline problem (angle of driveshaft). 5.3L and 3.42 rear end, 2wd, ext cab. No fix in sight yet. Am getting worried about them bailing out on us.
  • chevy4mechevy4me Member Posts: 203
    I was told that its a driveline problem also . Angle of the driveshaft and U-joint causing it.I was told GM is working on a fix. Mine is 5.3 3.42 rear.
  • tungletungle Member Posts: 56
    I had the flash updated today on my Sierra '99.
    The trans vibration at 40-42 mph is gone or least
    I cannot notice it any more; the rmp seems to be
    boosted 200 rpm compared to before the fix.

    The throttle response is much better in my opinion. The acceleration is smoother and somehow I feel the truck delivers more power than before.

    However, the engine still pings. I hope with more
    miles, the run-time parameters will be gradually
    updated and the ping will go away.

    Had the wheel balance checked by another dealer
    (the 4th time!). This dealer said I had 2 bad tires, and they ordered 2 new for me. They'll let
    me know when the tires come in.

    Bottom line, the software updates seems to be
    great to have!

    Tung
  • dmp1dmp1 Member Posts: 3
    I have a 99 extended cab 4 wheel drive 2500 with 3.73 gears. I just got the news from the service dept. that they duplicated the vibration and have to call GM for a response. I was first told by the same service dept. that the noise was a self test conducted by the braking system and was normal. I had only experienced the vibration at take off after the truck had sat or was cold. I never experienced it while driving only upon intial take off. The service man states that he thinks it my be related to the exhaust. I glad I read this column and pursued them to check the noise again. I keep you updated if they get a fix.
  • dmp1dmp1 Member Posts: 3
    Well the service man stated that he contacted GM and that they say the fix is a new exhaust. So a new exhaust from the catalytic converter all the way back. When it comes in hopefully my problem will be solved.
  • sphinx27sphinx27 Member Posts: 1
    These vibration threads blow my mind. I've had my truck since November 98, (ordered it in August) it has 11,000 miles on it now, I've had it in the city, on the highway, off-road, I've driven it on long and short trips, I've had it up to 100 mph, I have NEVER run across a vibration yet.
    I have my option list on my homepage:
    http://www.neonramp.com/~dbleess/dean/truck/truck.htm
    It's quiet at cruise, if I stomp on it for one reason or another, then all I hear is the music of a growling V-8.
  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    No vibration, done most the same only up to 95 mph. I have a 1500 4x4 long bed reg cab manual tranny.

    Are all the vibration problems on the ext cab short bed auto's?
  • rkhrkh Member Posts: 11
    Your right, just purchased a reg. 4x4 that came of the line in June, and to date have been unable to find any problems. Am relieved that gm took back the ext. cab that started this column. Am also glad to see that some corrections to the original problem are starting to show up.
  • g8trg8tr Member Posts: 77
    My reg. cab SL 4.8L auto does not have any vibration problems at all. I pull a boat, drive city and highway (occasionally) and I don't have a problem with vibration. I wouldn't mind some larger tires but these Generals will have to do for now.
  • namvetnamvet Member Posts: 1
    I have a 1998 GMC crew cab, 4X4, dually, w/diesel. Truck has experienced vibration/steering problems since I bought it in October. Dealership replaced 4 tires, 2 wheels and sent it to every tire/alingment shop in town. It was in the shop 5 times before I made the first payment. I filed lemon law on the vehicle in November. For their "final" repair attempt they replaced both rear drums and axles, and the rear drive shaft. Still didn't solve the problem. After an extensive process they have decided to buy back the truck. During all of this no one mentioned/attempted doing anything with the front end or transmission. If you are having trouble with your truck make sure you keep good records in case you have to try the lemon law.
  • butchkbutchk Member Posts: 7
    I called the Chevy customer service number to
    complain about the vibration/shudder I feel upon
    acceleration from a stop. Starts to clear at about
    35mph.The customer service rep said GM's techs are aware of this and are trying to come up with a fix.Also it seems this particular problem is with the 2wd trucks.The 4 wd's seem to have a different
    problem which occurs at speeds above 40mph.
  • chevy4mechevy4me Member Posts: 203
    My dealer has driveline shims on order to try and fix the vibration.They looked at engine and transmission and they are working right. Seems to be driveline angle and the torque at take off causing the vibration.
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    Ever since I purchased my 99 SLE 2wd long bed (May 14), I have been to the dealer three times trying to correct a serious rear end shimmy that occurs on either side of 65 MPH (62 to 68). Everything below 60 is fine and everything above 70 (with a little bit of vibration) is acceptable. When I cruise in this 65 MPH speed range I will get a bad shimmy from the rear (driver and passenger seat and outside drivers mirror shakes) as if one or both tires are seriously out of balance, heavy spotted tires, or bent rims. The dealer has replaced the drive shaft, shimmed to rear of the transmission to correct the pinion angle and rebalanced the tires. All this to no apparent avail. I have been told that the rims are not bent and run true and that the four General tires have no lateral or radial run out and none took more than 1 1/2 ounces of weight. I have taken the truck to several independent tire dealers in the area and they haven't done any better at correcting the problem. I even changed to tires to Michelin LTX M/S. They made an improvement in the ride from the front, but are unable to do anything for the rear (it still shakes, shimmies and vibrates the mirrors and seats). If ANYONE has an answer on how to correct this, PLEASE post the solution on how it was corrected, so that, I may print it out and take it to the dealer to see if they can do something about it. I have seen some postings on other GMC/Silverado boards that mention that GM may have found the problem with the rear springs/frame changing the rear pinion angle, I hope this is what is causing the problem and that they will have a fix for it soon. I would hate it apply the lemon law on this, 'cause I really enjoy this otherwise great truck, I would hate to give it up over this unless this cannot be fixed.
  • gojonesgojones Member Posts: 15
    Have ext cab, 5.3L, 2wd, limited slip, 255 tires, sb, stiff suspension. Get harsh shimmy or vibration at 65 thru 70. Is milder above 70 but still noticeable. Driver and passenger seats shake visibly. Dealer says GM is probably going to replace rear springs (softer) and maybe shim rear end in order to change the angle of the rear drive shaft. Said they have way too stiff springs on rear. Problem is angle of rear drive shaft. (2 part drive shaft with bearing separating the two) Front drive shaft does not vibrate.
  • coondogcoondog Member Posts: 7
    i have a standard cab longbed,5.3 342 rear end firm ride suspension . it rode bad from day one and vibrates the passenger seat. dealer changed to softer shocks, ride improved, but vibration is still bad as ever. had 255 generals changed to michelins softer ride, vibration still bad as ever. service rep called GM said they were aware of problem and working on it. i have owned 6 new chevy pickups since 1986,and never had a problem that was'nt fixed ,but i sure am sick of this one
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    I forgot to mention in my posting is that my truck is a regular cab SLE with Z82, Z85, 3:42 locker, 255R70-16 on aluminum rims (they are starting to show marks on the edges from all the wheel weights that have been changed). One thing I might try, is to throw some sand bags in the bed (may be 500 lbs or more) to see if this will make a difference in the ride by preloading the suspension. This may change the pinion angle and hopefully stop the shimmy. It's worth a try anyway.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I have a reg cab, long bed, Z82, Z71, 4.10 locker, P265 Wilderness A/T on aluminum rims, and have no vibration at any speeds.

    I wonder if it has to do with the combination of 255R70-16 and 3.42 axle?

    Or could it be a driveshaft out of balance?

    Good luck, and keep us posted!
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    Quadrunner500,

    In reponse. Been there, done that. The dealer replaced the drive shaft from one that they had in stock. Could be that this one may be out-of-balance also. Will have set up an appointment with them any have them recheck it. Both the Generals and Michelins didn't solve the problem. From reading posting on other Edmunds topics and other GM Silverado/Sierra message boards, I'm not the only one with this problem. Just hope that GM finds a solution soon. Later.
  • gojonesgojones Member Posts: 15
    Talked to GM customer rep today. No comment on vibration problem except to cut me short and finish the "vibration" word in my sentence. GM is now treating this problem as a "Natural Occurrence". She said there is not an estimated time for any fix. I got the distinct impression that this is not now a priority. Have been led to believe in the past that they are working diligently on a fix. Filed a complaint today with the State's Attorney Generals Consumer Affairs office hoping to get a 3rd party record of my problem. Not sure whats next. Any ideas. Been trying to work with the dealer but when they are prohibited from working on it by GM not much they can do, nor me except keep complaining.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Everyone in this topic reporting a vibration/shimmy has the 3.42 gears.

    If it's a "natural occurrence," I wonder if changing to a different gear ratio could help?
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    I don't know why one particular gear ratio would have a problem over the others. GM has used this gear set for years. There could very well be a resonant frequency being set up somewhere else in the vehicle causing this. I just hope GM doesn't stonewall this.
  • g8trg8tr Member Posts: 77
    Just got back from a 1500 mile trip. I've also got the vibration at around 68-72 mph. Anything above or below this range is fine. I have a SL, 4.8L, 3.42. I have around 5200 miles on the truck so far. From what I have been reading it seems like I'm in for a long fight over this one. I will print this page to show my dealer and let them know that this is a serious problem and that I'm not alone on this one. I'll keep you posted.
  • gojonesgojones Member Posts: 15
    Most lemon laws prorate based on a denominator of 100,000 miles and a numerator of the mileage you first document the problem with the dealer. Make sure you are on record with the dealer as soon as possible. Hopefully GM will get it fixed but I'm afraid their not aggressively looking into this. Lastest word is a natural occurrence. Can't believe this attitude will prevail but document everything just in case. Also complete the Consumer Complaint form at the NHTSB web site. Give all relevant information.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    At 70 mph, all the various frequencies produced interact as wavelengths travel through the cab. Some cancel out, others get amplified, due to constructive/destructive interference. The frequency of these amplified wavelengths occurs at some multiple of the source that created it. Thus, it's referred to as a harmonic.

    So far, I believe everyone reporting this problem has the 3.42 gear. One said he had a 3.73, but his dealer later diagnosed his problem as a noisy exhaust system. Not saying there is anything wrong with the 3.42 or any individual system, but when they interact together in combination, you get the vibration.

    I know it doesn't count for much, but my prediction is that the first owner to solve this problem will be the one who gets his dealer to change the gear, and recalibrate the speedometer.

    That theory may not be popular, but due to the vibration getting amplified to its maximum, in most cases near 70 mph, this is consistent.

    The drive shaft afterall, runs right underneath the cab and is supported by the frame. It gets input from the engine and transmission. It transmits output through axles and wheels to the ground. It's all connected, so to speak.

    Changing the speed that it rotates at 70 mph will move its component into a different, less offensive frequency range.

    If I'm wrong, then you should be able to make the vibration go away at 70 mph by shifting the transmission into a different gear (3). But if you change gears this way, and the vibration remains, it is because at 70 mph, the driveshaft always turns the same rpm, no matter what transmission gear you have selected.

    I hope I'm wrong, but then you all have exhausted the other possibilities, tires, balance, etc.
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    Quadrunner500,

    I agree with with what you say. The only thing that I can think of that would counteract the resonant or harmonic frequency, would be to have some sort of a counterbalance or floating counterweight placed somewhere in the drive line. However, I personally do not think GM will do this (to costly and complex). As an A&P Mechanic, I have worked on Teledyne Continental engines. Years ago, (because of the nature of a pancake 6 cylinder engine) they had a problem with an uneven firing order impulse setting up a 5th order frequency which was breaking crankshafts in their 6 cylinder engines at 100/150 hours. To solve the problem, they came up with a floating counterweight on the crankshaft cheek of the #5 connecting rod journal. This dampens out the vibration by displacing the shock to the floating counterweight and thus absorbing it. When you shut the engine off, they sure makes a clacking sound when during the last few revolutions they come to rest. Later.
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    Quadrunner500,

    I forgot to mention in my last post, that I did try what you had said about the transmission gear selection not changing a thing. About a week ago I had the transmission in third gear (by accident) and the shimmy remained the same, shifted to overdrive same thing, so I guess you are right on this one.

    As a follow up. One of the guys I work who has the same shimmy problem with his 99 Silverado. He took his back to the dealer the for the umpteenth time for the shimmy. The dealer he bought his truck from now has a new type of electronic tire machine that can simulate loads and speeds to measure lateral and radial run out (like running a your vehicle on a set of rollers). By preloading and rotating a tire at various speeds they found one of his General tires had a lateral run out and shimmied when it was under load at 68 mph, even though it had been balanced with no apparent runout (the other three were within spec). The whole process he said took almost four hours to complete for all his tires. He now has a replacement tire on order and it should be here in a few days. If this has indeed cured his shinny, I may just take my GMC to his Chevy dealer (45 miles away) and have mine checked (if they'll do it). If this did or didn't cure the shimmy, I'll post it. It would be nice to for once drive a truck that didn't shake at highway speeds.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    10-4. I hope you are right about the tire shimmy. And I would love to see a machine like that.
  • pjb0422pjb0422 Member Posts: 43
    I wonder why the dealer didn't use the spare tire to see if the shimmy would quit. Maybe your friend could put the spare on in place of the bad one and give it a try.
  • tungletungle Member Posts: 56
    I had same vibration problems and have been at
    the dealer 3 times. They are ordering 2 new tires
    for me and hope that might fix the problem.

    I was thinking about using the spare tire, but my truck had all 4 wheels out of balance when I got it! I had no faith that the spare tire might be well balanced. Besides, I'm not sure which of the tires was the problemed one.

    Just a thought.
    Tung
  • scrawscraw Member Posts: 28
    Most problems with the 99 chevy pick 1/2 ton only is the rack and pinion preload,,,, I am a chevy tech and have tested this thought and found it takes the shimmy out of driving and make the truck feel better on the road.... There is a minor problem with the tires but depending on the date the vehicle was built, the tires have been redesigned and most have been replaced...I you have a shimmy at highway speeds call your local chevy dealership and tell them to call tech assit and get the specs for this job... I really works
  • knobbyknobby Member Posts: 60
    To Quadrunner500,

    I got the straight scoop on that tire balancer for you. I call my friends Chevy dealer and talked to the service manager to find out about it. It does exist. He told me that it is a Hunter GSP9700 Road Force Measurement System. He also told me it rotates the tire at a slow speed (not at a high speed as previous been lead to believe). That may explain way it took almost 4 hours to do 4 tires. The cost is $10,000 to $12,000 depending on options and other equipment. Here is the link: www.hunter.com/pub/product/balancer/4159T/4159t.htm I hope this helps. Later.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Great link to that Hunter balancer! I want to find someone in this area that has one. Maybe a call to Hunter can get a referral.
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