We are all to blame. We are acting as if we are blinded as to what is going on.
As I have suggested in the past, lets all pick a day across America when we will not buy fuel. Buy it the day before or the day after. This will show the oil companies and stock market, etc that we the people do have the power to control what we will pay for fuel.
Imagine how much interest they would all loose if for one day nobody bought any fuel. If we could and should do this each and every week until they listen to us and lower the price to a respectable profit. I personally do not believe that we should be paying more than $1.50 per gallon.
Unfortunately I do not believe that my suggestion will be taken seriously and there will be those who are thinking 180% deferent than I am and will post that we are not being ripped off. We are being ripped off at the gas pump and everyone who isn't a part of the profit knows it and will admit to it.
In Southern California we are paying over $282.00 as of 02-28-07 for Regular 87 Octane and another $.10 more for each additional 2 grades higher. Imagine if you would all of the truckers that are paying over $3.00 a gallon for Diesel fuel. If they did what I’m suggesting it would in 1 day take so much out of the economy that the market would come close to crashing. I don’t want that to happen, as I do own stocks, but I would like as most everyone else does to see the price at the pump at $1.50 per gallon or less.
This could happen if you just believe it would! :mad:
Here in the Greater Toronto Area, a couple days ago regular gas was $1.10Cdn/L
That equates to 3.7854118 liters in a gallon, and 3.78x$1.1 = $4.15/Gallon. Don't know the exchange rate, but we'll assume it's 85c Cdn per US dollar. Which is still $3.55 US dollars per gallon.
Diesel is almost as expensive as premium, and half the gas stations I've seen so far are dry/have limits.
"In Southern California we are paying over $282.00 as of 02-28-07 for Regular 87 Octane" Over two hundred and eighty bucks for a gallon of gas? And we though Europe had it bad!
Time for Mr. Fusion!
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These schemes to not BUY any gas on a particular day would have absolutely ZERO effect. The gas companies wouldn't give a rip whether or not we all pledged to not BUY any gas on a particular day because we would still be BURNING gas on that day.
For example, let's assume that we all decided, each and every last individual, that NO ONE would buy gas on Monday, April 1. Guess what happens: MORE folks would buy gas on Sunday, March 31 or on Tuesday, April 2 than would normally happen.
The oil companies don't care about WHEN we buy, so long as we still consume the same amount of gas.
Went to pick up a kid from an afterschool program. On the way there, the sign was at $2.45 (just went up yesterday), and 20 minutes later on the way back it was at $2.49
Not sure about the exact fuel tax, but we have pie charts on the pumps which, if I recall, said around 35% goes to taxes, last time I read one.
There are shortages here, as at an Esso refinery in Ontario, there was a fire/accident which has essentially rendered the plant useless until further notice.
Most stations are closed, due to dry pumps, and any station that still has gas tells the customer to only take 10L, 20L etc. Premium is pretty much all you can buy now for the most part.
There's actually quite a storm hitting right now, the worst thus far this winter. I just watched the news, and on some streets in Toronto, where there are slight grades in the roads, cars are getting stuck and sliding back down the streets. A typical drive down a city street that would take 15 minutes has now turned into over 2 hours; it's so icy and snowy. In the background of the news broadcast, they showed 6-7 cars 'abandoned' ,with 1.5ft of snow around them, on the street due to empty gas tanks.
Not sure about price control specifics, but I'm sure we have some sort of legistlation to prevent price gouging.
in the back of my mind, your post affirms my instinct to have an suv and multiple vehicles. for me, it seems to one of those 'comfort' things. i can't really explain it, other than i started driving in the early 70's. one of our offices in minnesota closed early today. i hope the storm passes without bad consequences.
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Please think about what I wrote before giving anymore comments.
To say that it wouldn't work because more people would purchase fuel the day before or day after and would drive on the day when no fuel is to be bought would defeat the purpose is totally and completely incorrect.
Remember what I posted! It's not the amount of fuel consumed or the amount purchased, etc. It is the interest on the amount that they would loose for that day, millions upon millions of dollars in interest.
I know it would work as it has been done in the past, when the price for fuel first started going up to $2.00 a gallon. I've seen it in person and televised. People holding signs, the news broadcasting the event ahead of time to let the people know, etc. It does work, it has worked and it will work.
It's people who don't want to believe that they can do anything to stop this monopoly of the price we pay for fuel and are hard headed that keep the prices going up instead of down.
If anyone has a better idea or even has an idea that is practical then post it. Don't be afraid to post a message on how we can stop the price of fuel from going up and get it to go down.
We can't just get it to "go down." Demand is up with China and India flocking to the automobile, and we're gradually running out of oil.
We were warned over 30 years ago about this, and precious little was done. Now, we're up against the proverbial wall.
The only short-term viable answer in my view is to drive less by carpooling if possible, or to walk/bike or take public transportation if available or possible. Otherwise, I think the medium-term future lies in more widespread availability of gas or diesel hybrid electric cars, hopefully using lithium-ion batteries. Fuel cells or hydrogen-powered cars: pipe dream or never gonna happen, take your pick. Ethanol from corn: boondoggle.
I've got a range of prices for 87 grade... we go from $2.499 all the way to $2.699 (just depends on where you are at the time). One of the unions in the hospital are going to try and ask for $0.05 per mile for gas charge based on how far they live from the hospital when there contract comes due in June. I'm staying away from that tussle.
Unfortunately I do not believe that my suggestion will be taken seriously
You've got that right.
You're previous posts indicate that you use about 4x as much gas as the average motorist in this country. Now you're suggesting that we all need to cut back. If I thought you were joking with this suggestion I could appreciate it. I'll tell you what. When you get your consumption down to around 600 gallons a year, which is US average, then maybe you can suggest that other cut back. Until then it sounds like you want everyone else to use less so you can continue to cheaply burn as much as you want. Oh yeah, I forgot. You've lived in CA for 100's of years. Was there some promise given to you that long term CA residents should always have cheap gas.
Remember what I posted! It's not the amount of fuel consumed or the amount purchased, etc. It is the interest on the amount that they would loose for that day, millions upon millions of dollars in interest.
Wait a minute. Your the same person that was so outraged when you though Exxon/Mobil made $85 million last year, slightly off. Now your stating that people delaying their gas purchases a day will cost them million and millions. Are you sure you should be driving?
been running around telling everyone to conserve while he dosn't. Flying, driving, using electricity in his houses, but yet telling everyone else to conserve! If the price of oil goes up more I can't wait to hear more of his solutions...
As for local gas prices $2.34 is cheapest but $2.459 is the nominal price around the area after having had an exaggerated jump to $2.599 for a day or so.
I don't understand why Gore gets dumped on so much. How much energy is used during Cheney's hunting trips?
What about the armada of SUVs that accompanies "W" wherever he goes? His helicopter for trips to Camp David?
What was the electric bill for Trent Lott's house in MS before it was destroyed by Katrina? You know, the one W said he'd like to spend time on the porch again once it was rebuilt?
For that matter, how much energy is being consumed in that little war going on 4 years now?
A so-called "friend" of mine from my college years is going around the country comparing Gore and people who want to take action against global warming with European authorities in the 1600s who went after alleged witches for collaborating with Satan for "weather cooking" during the Little Ice Age.
Now I figure his houses are fair game, but I remember the fiasco when he was at Cannes and all the bloggers on the right were complaining that Al and his entourage had stretch limos and SUVs take them from the hotel to the ceremony afew blocks away - until the video showed up of them walking the whole way.
HIs houses are also offices but, as I said, are still fair game.
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>What about the armada of SUVs that accompanies "W" wherever he goes? His helicopter for trips to Camp David?
He's the President. He doesn't go around lecturing about conservation as if he's a scientist with the last word on global warming as though it's man made rather than a natural phenomenon. Gore's like Streisand.
This is way off topic. I'm swerving back into the local Marathon driveway. Prices from $2.349 to $2.559.
Has there been another hurricane due to global warming causing the prices to rise? We had those dire predictions last summer of lots of Category 6 hurricanes hitting the coast due to global warming; but they didn't happen!!!
...and get away from what's going to turn into political stuff.
Persoanally, I just wish the futures traders would stop the all or nothing reactions to every bit of "information". Some meteorologist says that computer models predict we COULD have a more hurricanes and they run away with their "logic". More hurricanes... they'll MIGHT hit the gulf... oil production COULD be affected... therefore the price MUST rise.
And I'm not letting us off the hook too
People who decide to rush out and top off today are really doing nothing but helping to create an artificial spike in demand. Kind of self-defeating.
Bottom line, panic isn't good anywhere along this line!
"It's not the amount of fuel consumed or the amount purchased, etc. It is the interest on the amount that they would loose for that day, millions upon millions of dollars in interest."
Reality check: the gasoline that everyone DOESN'T buy on day 'x' was already sold by the oil companies/refineries days (weeks?) earlier to local distributors who then sold it to the local service station owner where it's been sitting in his underground tank.
The oil companies ALREADY HAVE their money. So whether or not you and 250million other Americans don't buy gasoline on day 'x' makes no difference. Because over the course of that week and that month, YOU (and 250 million other Americans) are still consuming the same amount of fuel.
The ONLY WAY to have an impact is to BURN LESS FUEL over the long run.
"Please think about what I wrote before giving anymore comments."
The prices here will drop by 10 cents tomorrow Saturday after price-gouging for several days. Four weeks ago who'd thunk we'd be feeling better at paying $2.29 for fuel because it had been up to $2.599. At that time good pricing was $2.15. .grin.
The lowest here still is $2.349 on Friday morning. I've been checking gasprices.com for lower prices so I can buzz by and fill up 6 of my cylinders...later today.
Never say die. Now is the time to buy that big SUV you always wanted. Buy a hybrid when gas prices are low. You and most Americans get it backwards.
Quite frankly I am more concerned about the price of water than I am gas. It costs me more a month to keep my trees alive than it does to drive my 4 vehicles. And I am doing it so you all can expel more CO2. I am sure my citrus orchard take in more CO2 than I produce.
Just in case you forgot, many of the darlings of the current Global Warming cult were declaring about 30 years ago that we were all going to freeze due to Nuclear Winter caused by using nuclear energy.
"...we were all going to freeze due to Nuclear Winter caused by using nuclear energy."
Actually, I think the Nuclear Winter scenario was to be the aftermath of a full-scale exchange of nuclear weapons, not the result of the use of nuclear energy for power production.
I'd say Chernobyl was probably the final nail in nuclear energy's coffin. They say the trees glow in the dark around the former site of Chernobyl. There's a whole abandoned ghost city around the plant.
in bulk with free Tragically Hip CD's included. Put TTH's 'Yer Favourites' CD in each Aveo sold to Iranians.
One for all and all for one.
Ghastly will never drop below $2.00/gal for 87 no-lead. The Spurs will win the NBA title before ghastly drops below $2.00/gal again. That translates to never for you non-sportites.
Ghastly was $2.49/gal for 87 no-lead yesterday at the downtown Chevron in dusty Willcox, AZ.
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Lemko: I read about how widespread the radio dosage was. That catastrophy was massive in its spread of the cloud. I certainly hope it never happens again.
All: I recall from the earlier environmental push (70s 80s?) folks the dire warnings of glaciers overwhelming the northern 2/3s of the globe again due to human activity. Later the green folk changed their message to warming. Both without definite scientific bases. They are totally uncertain of how the dynamics actually work just as they're uncertan if petroleum resources are being generated today or if there was a finite period for formation of petroleum resources.
It doesn't make any difference but 6393 was in response to 6389. Conservation starts with airlines for business and other folks cutting back the gallonage they consume--I'd bet the load factor for flights out of Dayton International is 60% if that much. We could save lots of resources by cutting back on empty airplanes flying. Trucking is another overconsumer to be made more economical.
Gas prices of $2.349 are spreading. I predict I can fill up tomorrow at $2.299.
93 octane: $ 2.65/gallon almost everywhere. Gas went up by 25 cents a gallon in the last month or so. I guess we had a few killer spring hurricanes here in Florida - we just have not heard about them yet.
"Has there been another hurricane due to global warming causing the prices to rise? We had those dire predictions last summer of lots of Category 6 hurricanes hitting the coast due to global warming; but they didn't happen!!!"
1. There is no such thing as a category 6 hurricane.
2. Once the El Nino formed in the Pacific, long before the hurricane season was in its critical months, the prediction went to lower than normal. Those dire predictions were in the spring before the El Nino formed. The dire predictions of 2005 were right on the money.
On the nuclear power thing, indeed Three Mile Island killed the domestic nuclear power expansion. When they have a situation where they can't say for a day or two whether they have the handle on teh thing and you are in the path of the wind that comes from there it is a bit concerning. I knew folks who had their suitcases packed and ready to evacuate. I wasn't one of them but they were certainly there.
I live within 10 miles of the oldest operating public nuclear plant in the country. They were due to build another one next door but immediately killed the plans when Three Mile Island happened. This was the same company that owned Three Mile Island. Actually, our plant was scheduled to decommission at least seven years ago but they keep renewing it - even when the company missed a deadline to ask for a renewal the feds sent them a reminder and an extension!
BTW, once they figure out where to put the waste I have no problem with nuclear. Every form on energy has its plusses and minuses.
Oh, as to the big question of the day, $2.29 Sunoco 87 octane.
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Just thought I'd cheer you folks up a little. Current price for Unleaded in my area of United Kingdom equates to $6.27 per (US) gallon. Pretty much same elesewhere. ULS Diesel is slightly more expensive, (maybe +4%). You can see why we have a large, and increasing, diesel car population.
Out of the $6.27 how much is taxes? I'll have to check here for local, federal taxes that are included in the $2.459 nominal pricing for gasoline, but the taxes imposed by some regions makes the price artificially high.
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As I have suggested in the past, lets all pick a day across America when we will not buy fuel. Buy it the day before or the day after. This will show the oil companies and stock market, etc that we the people do have the power to control what we will pay for fuel.
Imagine how much interest they would all loose if for one day nobody bought any fuel. If we could and should do this each and every week until they listen to us and lower the price to a respectable profit. I personally do not believe that we should be paying more than $1.50 per gallon.
Unfortunately I do not believe that my suggestion will be taken seriously and there will be those who are thinking 180% deferent than I am and will post that we are not being ripped off. We are being ripped off at the gas pump and everyone who isn't a part of the profit knows it and will admit to it.
In Southern California we are paying over $282.00 as of 02-28-07 for Regular 87 Octane and another $.10 more for each additional 2 grades higher. Imagine if you would all of the truckers that are paying over $3.00 a gallon for Diesel fuel. If they did what I’m suggesting it would in 1 day take so much out of the economy that the market would come close to crashing. I don’t want that to happen, as I do own stocks, but I would like as most everyone else does to see the price at the pump at $1.50 per gallon or less.
This could happen if you just believe it would! :mad:
Because whether or not you buy fuel on Tuesday but skip Wednesday and then buy on Thursday, you are still not cutting your consumption.
The only way to get a REAL message would be to pledge to NOT USE AN FUEL for a day.
THAT would have an effect.
But try getting 300 million people to agree on it.... :sick:
That equates to 3.7854118 liters in a gallon, and 3.78x$1.1 = $4.15/Gallon. Don't know the exchange rate, but we'll assume it's 85c Cdn per US dollar. Which is still $3.55 US dollars per gallon.
Diesel is almost as expensive as premium, and half the gas stations I've seen so far are dry/have limits.
-Ryan
Time for Mr. Fusion!
These schemes to not BUY any gas on a particular day would have absolutely ZERO effect. The gas companies wouldn't give a rip whether or not we all pledged to not BUY any gas on a particular day because we would still be BURNING gas on that day.
For example, let's assume that we all decided, each and every last individual, that NO ONE would buy gas on Monday, April 1. Guess what happens: MORE folks would buy gas on Sunday, March 31 or on Tuesday, April 2 than would normally happen.
The oil companies don't care about WHEN we buy, so long as we still consume the same amount of gas.
And why would there be indications of a gas shortage (stations are dry/have limits)?
Are there price controls on fuel in Canada?
Thats up from 2.19 about two weeks ago.
Very tricky :surprise:
There are shortages here, as at an Esso refinery in Ontario, there was a fire/accident which has essentially rendered the plant useless until further notice.
Most stations are closed, due to dry pumps, and any station that still has gas tells the customer to only take 10L, 20L etc. Premium is pretty much all you can buy now for the most part.
There's actually quite a storm hitting right now, the worst thus far this winter. I just watched the news, and on some streets in Toronto, where there are slight grades in the roads, cars are getting stuck and sliding back down the streets. A typical drive down a city street that would take 15 minutes has now turned into over 2 hours; it's so icy and snowy. In the background of the news broadcast, they showed 6-7 cars 'abandoned' ,with 1.5ft of snow around them, on the street due to empty gas tanks.
Not sure about price control specifics, but I'm sure we have some sort of legistlation to prevent price gouging.
one of our offices in minnesota closed early today.
i hope the storm passes without bad consequences.
Please think about what I wrote before giving anymore comments.
To say that it wouldn't work because more people would purchase fuel the day before or day after and would drive on the day when no fuel is to be bought would defeat the purpose is totally and completely incorrect.
Remember what I posted! It's not the amount of fuel consumed or the amount purchased, etc. It is the interest on the amount that they would loose for that day, millions upon millions of dollars in interest.
I know it would work as it has been done in the past, when the price for fuel first started going up to $2.00 a gallon. I've seen it in person and televised. People holding signs, the news broadcasting the event ahead of time to let the people know, etc. It does work, it has worked and it will work.
It's people who don't want to believe that they can do anything to stop this monopoly of the price we pay for fuel and are hard headed that keep the prices going up instead of down.
If anyone has a better idea or even has an idea that is practical then post it. Don't be afraid to post a message on how we can stop the price of fuel from going up and get it to go down.
We were warned over 30 years ago about this, and precious little was done. Now, we're up against the proverbial wall.
The only short-term viable answer in my view is to drive less by carpooling if possible, or to walk/bike or take public transportation if available or possible. Otherwise, I think the medium-term future lies in more widespread availability of gas or diesel hybrid electric cars, hopefully using lithium-ion batteries. Fuel cells or hydrogen-powered cars: pipe dream or never gonna happen, take your pick. Ethanol from corn: boondoggle.
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You've got that right.
You're previous posts indicate that you use about 4x as much gas as the average motorist in this country. Now you're suggesting that we all need to cut back. If I thought you were joking with this suggestion I could appreciate it. I'll tell you what. When you get your consumption down to around 600 gallons a year, which is US average, then maybe you can suggest that other cut back. Until then it sounds like you want everyone else to use less so you can continue to cheaply burn as much as you want. Oh yeah, I forgot. You've lived in CA for 100's of years. Was there some promise given to you that long term CA residents should always have cheap gas.
Wait a minute. Your the same person that was so outraged when you though Exxon/Mobil made $85 million last year, slightly off. Now your stating that people delaying their gas purchases a day will cost them million and millions. Are you sure you should be driving?
As for local gas prices $2.34 is cheapest but $2.459 is the nominal price around the area after having had an exaggerated jump to $2.599 for a day or so.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
What about the armada of SUVs that accompanies "W" wherever he goes? His helicopter for trips to Camp David?
What was the electric bill for Trent Lott's house in MS before it was destroyed by Katrina? You know, the one W said he'd like to spend time on the porch again once it was rebuilt?
For that matter, how much energy is being consumed in that little war going on 4 years now?
A so-called "friend" of mine from my college years is going around the country comparing Gore and people who want to take action against global warming with European authorities in the 1600s who went after alleged witches for collaborating with Satan for "weather cooking" during the Little Ice Age.
HIs houses are also offices but, as I said, are still fair game.
Because Cheney doesn't lecture on the subject if fuel conservation.
(I could not vote for Al Gore after I reviewed his tax returns ... VP salary, $100 in charitable contributions.)
He's the President. He doesn't go around lecturing about conservation as if he's a scientist with the last word on global warming as though it's man made rather than a natural phenomenon. Gore's like Streisand.
This is way off topic. I'm swerving back into the local Marathon driveway. Prices from $2.349 to $2.559.
Has there been another hurricane due to global warming causing the prices to rise? We had those dire predictions last summer of lots of Category 6 hurricanes hitting the coast due to global warming; but they didn't happen!!!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But that's better than the $2.49 at the Citgo across the road, the $2.49 at the Shell across from work and the $2.55 at a Speedway!
Persoanally, I just wish the futures traders would stop the all or nothing reactions to every bit of "information". Some meteorologist says that computer models predict we COULD have a more hurricanes and they run away with their "logic". More hurricanes... they'll MIGHT hit the gulf... oil production COULD be affected... therefore the price MUST rise.
And I'm not letting us off the hook too
People who decide to rush out and top off today are really doing nothing but helping to create an artificial spike in demand. Kind of self-defeating.
Bottom line, panic isn't good anywhere along this line!
Up, Up, and AWAY go gas prices and budgets !!!!
(this ballooning of prices will sell more hybrids)
Looks like March '07 is going to be a repeat of March '06 with the rapid rise in prices.
Post 6393 started the latest political veer...just sayin.'
Reality check: the gasoline that everyone DOESN'T buy on day 'x' was already sold by the oil companies/refineries days (weeks?) earlier to local distributors who then sold it to the local service station owner where it's been sitting in his underground tank.
The oil companies ALREADY HAVE their money. So whether or not you and 250million other Americans don't buy gasoline on day 'x' makes no difference. Because over the course of that week and that month, YOU (and 250 million other Americans) are still consuming the same amount of fuel.
The ONLY WAY to have an impact is to BURN LESS FUEL over the long run.
"Please think about what I wrote before giving anymore comments."
Ditto.
Sometimes it's like looking into the back seat of the car on a long road trip... :P
I'm not concerned with who started it...LOL
I figure everyone here is saavy enough to respond to a gentle nudge back towards the topic
Now, how 'bout them gas prices? (Glad I have 12 cylinders -- spread among 3 vehicles.)
The lowest here still is $2.349 on Friday morning. I've been checking gasprices.com for lower prices so I can buzz by and fill up 6 of my cylinders...later today.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I can handle $2.50 or so, but I don't like $40+ fillups for a midsize car (when prices are $3.00+ per gallon).
BTW, the rental car is supposed to be a Pontiac G6 "or equivalent," so it'll be interesting to compare the driving experience to my Camrys.
Quite frankly I am more concerned about the price of water than I am gas. It costs me more a month to keep my trees alive than it does to drive my 4 vehicles. And I am doing it so you all can expel more CO2. I am sure my citrus orchard take in more CO2 than I produce.
Just in case you forgot, many of the darlings of the current Global Warming cult were declaring about 30 years ago that we were all going to freeze due to Nuclear Winter caused by using nuclear energy.
Actually, I think the Nuclear Winter scenario was to be the aftermath of a full-scale exchange of nuclear weapons, not the result of the use of nuclear energy for power production.
Which is why Iran must be stopped somehow, hopefully through diplomacy.
With respect to water, it was not a good idea to have so many people move to desert areas of the country (e.g., Las Vegas and Phoenix).
We have plenty of water from the Blue Ridge Mountains in central VA.
:confuse:
Nuclear winter scenarios involve the detonation of 1000's of nuclear devices. Exploding one or two (or even a dozen) wouldn't do it.
Yep, Iran should be stopped; but I don't think concerns over 'nuclear winter' should be the reason.
And now, back to our regularly scheduled program.....
To be precise, you need to insert the words: "Hysteria over...." at the beginning of that sentence....
One for all and all for one.
Ghastly will never drop below $2.00/gal for 87 no-lead. The Spurs will win the NBA title before ghastly drops below $2.00/gal again. That translates to never for you non-sportites.
Ghastly was $2.49/gal for 87 no-lead yesterday at the downtown Chevron in dusty Willcox, AZ.
"Speedin' along like a bullet from a gun it's a 3-day ride--gonna make it in one." - Lonesome Dave Peverett/Rod Price, Foghat
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2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
All: I recall from the earlier environmental push (70s 80s?) folks the dire warnings of glaciers overwhelming the northern 2/3s of the globe again due to human activity. Later the green folk changed their message to warming. Both without definite scientific bases. They are totally uncertain of how the dynamics actually work just as they're uncertan if petroleum resources are being generated today or if there was a finite period for formation of petroleum resources.
It doesn't make any difference but 6393 was in response to 6389. Conservation starts with airlines for business and other folks cutting back the gallonage they consume--I'd bet the load factor for flights out of Dayton International is 60% if that much. We could save lots of resources by cutting back on empty airplanes flying. Trucking is another overconsumer to be made more economical.
Gas prices of $2.349 are spreading. I predict I can fill up tomorrow at $2.299.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
1. There is no such thing as a category 6 hurricane.
2. Once the El Nino formed in the Pacific, long before the hurricane season was in its critical months, the prediction went to lower than normal. Those dire predictions were in the spring before the El Nino formed. The dire predictions of 2005 were right on the money.
On the nuclear power thing, indeed Three Mile Island killed the domestic nuclear power expansion. When they have a situation where they can't say for a day or two whether they have the handle on teh thing and you are in the path of the wind that comes from there it is a bit concerning. I knew folks who had their suitcases packed and ready to evacuate. I wasn't one of them but they were certainly there.
I live within 10 miles of the oldest operating public nuclear plant in the country. They were due to build another one next door but immediately killed the plans when Three Mile Island happened. This was the same company that owned Three Mile Island. Actually, our plant was scheduled to decommission at least seven years ago but they keep renewing it - even when the company missed a deadline to ask for a renewal the feds sent them a reminder and an extension!
BTW, once they figure out where to put the waste I have no problem with nuclear. Every form on energy has its plusses and minuses.
Oh, as to the big question of the day, $2.29 Sunoco 87 octane.
87 - $2.279 - up 14 cents
89 - $2.379 - up 14 cents
91 - $2.439 - up 14 cents
93 - $2.479 - up 14 cents
diesel - $2.439 - up 11 cents
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Smile, you're still getting it cheap !!
Today, I topped up at the Exxon nearest my house for $2.29 for 87 (central VA). The going price now at most places is $2.35.
We're flying to Las Vegas next weekend, so all 3 of our vehicles should now be set for at least a couple of weeks.
Wonder what the prices will be out west?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,