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Milage isn't fabulous as hoped but it's better at its' worst than my ford straight 6 at it's best and the Jeep's a lot more fun to drive. I notice the fuel gauge moves very slowly when full but it takes a fast dive when you get below a quarter tank.
Had a friend with an Olds diesel which he pulled out and replaced with a gas engine.
Good luck with yours.
The cetane is 42 and should be posted on the pumps. Amerada Hess Diesel is winterized from November through March. We meet the 10th percentile operability for all marketing regions as outlined by ASTM Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils (American Society for Testing and Materials D975). This is the same standard approved for use by agencies of the Department of Defense. We achieve the operability target by blending our Diesel with Kerosene to a specific cloud point for each operating region. This is a tried and true method, lowering the cloud point of the combined product enough to operate at reduced temperatures.
ADDITIONAL PROTECTION AGAINST ABNORMAL COLD WEATHER
1-Check your vehicle manual for cold weather recommendations.
2-Keep the Diesel from clouding by adding additional Kerosene. A “rule of thumb”, for every 7% Kerosene, the Diesel cloud point will drop two (2) degF
Sorry about that, I was trying to "multi-task" and got distracted. That's what happens when you get old!
I checked my mileage after the first fill up and found I was averaging just under 23 MPG. All the driving was in town (not stop & go city driving). Not a lot of hills in this part of TX, so it was pretty much flat-land driving. So far, I'm a pretty happy camper about this little rig.
No problem Harry.
er, Barry. :shades:
Not too shabby for the first tank. Now go cruise over to Lost Maples for the fall colors and try it in the hills.
Steve, Host
No one has been able to reproduce CR's mpg with the Liberty.
Would you believe me if I told you I obtained 49 mpg in Liberty CRD? I would not believe it either, and I don't believe that CR actually obtained 11 mpg, they either made an error, had a mechanical problem, or someone is lying.
"If the vehicle is exposed to extreme cold........use climatized No. 2 diesel fuel or delute the No.2 diesel fuel with 50% No. 1 diesel fuel. This will provide better protection from fuel gelling or wax-plugging of fuel filters."
What is No. 1 diesel fuel?.......Is it Karosene?
> error, had a mechanical problem, or someone is lying.
Or one of their test drivers was a moron. In the CR article (Aug 05 issue, page 56, col 2), they say, "The five-speed automatic shifts smoothly, but keeps the engine at high revs." Huh? Mine doesn't. The only thing that keeps the engine at high revs is when the idiot driving has his/her foot pushing the accelerator to the floor. That's why they got 11 mpg.
In their defense, they did say the mileage ranged from 11 to 26, and to expect an average of 18. If they had thrown out the obviously bad 11 mpg data point, their average might have been about what the rest of us have seen - in my case, 20 (lowest) to 27 (highest).
Regular Unleaded: $2.42/gal Diesel: $3.65/gal
I bought this CRD barely a month ago and diesel is up over $1/gallon since then and my entire life I've never seen prices this far apart from each other. This is way more than the "here comes winter heating oil demand" excuse. What is going on???
I also live in NH (Salem).
Do you use Bio-Diesel.....If so, where do you get it?
_Sebastian
It usually goes up 5-10¢ when they start blending it but this is riduculous.
As to the 55 speed limit, it may work on the east coast where distances are short, here I can drive 300+ miles between major cities and it takes forever at those speeds. The mileage is better, but you fall asleep getting there.
Montana was great with the "reasonable and prudent" rule they had for a while. You could drive 80-85 and nobody would look at you twice.
I don't why the refineries aren't accepting diesel or home heating oil.
Steve, Host
FWIW, they're also a Biodiesel station. The pumps say B2 but the attendant last weekend told me they're currently blending at B10.">
I like my Jeep, but if a vote ever comes along for mass transit, i.e. trains and buses, it will get my ballot. I'm getting sick of being robbed by oil companies. I guess it's unAmerican to feel that way, but I wouldn't mind a bit being able to snooze off on the way to work.
There is a huge grain harvest in the Midwest requiring additional diesel for grain trucks and locomotives to haul the grain to market.
There is the heating oil problem that has already been mentioned. That alone would have temporarily only added 20 to 30 cents to the price of diesel.
Trucks are running around the clock to the hurricane damaged areas hauling construction supplies and equipment - a temporary situation.
Higher gasoline prices have cut the demand for gasoline by around 10% at the same time that it is necessary to process more crude into diesel. Processing more diesel fuel produces more gasoline at the same time demand is off a little pushing the price of gasoline down. A ton of gas guzzling SUV are sitting on used car lots traded in on more fuel efficient cars and most people are driving less and slowing down. This trend will continue as gasoline prices again start to rise.
Too much fear is factored into the markets. When fear enters the decision making process panic buying occurs and this phenomenon has already started to abate. Many diesel retailers bought when the price was very high both in current prices and futures contracts.
Given the fuel mileage that most of us are getting with our CRDs we are not much worse off than if we were still running our gas burners. In my case I am still running cheaper at $3.25 for diesel than $2.50 for gasoline (29 mpg vs. 17mpg).
8 of the major refineries in the gulf that were shut down are up and running. 3 are back up to full output and 5 are back to about half speed over the past week.
Before any of this hit the fan the supply curve for world crude was almost vertical resulting in dramatic price changes pursuant to increases in demand.
This one you are not going to like. At our current fuel demand growth which may have abated a little for the US (but not for China), we were and maybe still are headed for $3.70 to $4.00 a gallon for regular unleaded gasoline by early 2007. Diesel fuel will be hovering around that number depending on relative demand for the product.
The cure for $3.50 per gallon diesel is $3.50 per gallon diesel. The US is the Saudi Arabia of coal. We have over 30% of the world’s known coal reserves. At 3 to 4 dollars per gallon for diesel it becomes economically viable to process coal into diesel. There are a number of plants currently being built. And, the process produces low sulfur diesel.
We should see cheaper diesel around most of the US before next spring. Gasoline prices will again start to rise as the two products prices converge. If you can, drive 65 on cruise and kick’em into neutral when you slow down for stops and idle out of gear. Better days are coming for diesel and worse days are coming for gasoline.
http://www.turboformance.co.za/racorspin1.htm
Could someone check this as well?
Diesel $3.659/gal - holding steady.
Gasoline $2.389/gal - dropped again overnight.
At $1.27/gal difference I think I'm past the tipping point of the better efficiency of the diesel versus the gasoline hogs at 35% greater cost for diesel. I still love my CRD - I just wish I had waited one more month to buy it. I got employee pricing plus $1000 cash back for financing with Chrysler. Now the deals are $2000 cash back or $1500 bonus cash PLUS 0.0% financing! Ouch! My only "x-factor" was my trade-in would have depreciated more in another month so I may not have saved much at all.
If anyone wants a nicely equipped CRD with a good selection to choose from, search the jeep website for zip code 46901 when doing a dealer search. The first dealership name that comes up still has 7 CRD models in stock for the 2005 model year. Mine was number 8 over a month ago. I think all 8 were sitting there for several months before my purchase so there are some really good deals waiting to be had.
link:http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp
It has lots of good links that explain fuel prices, etc. -
So far the higher cost of diesel has not changed how I feel about my CRD - the torque this engine delivers is worth the extra price -
Do not be disheartened. Once all the refineries are back on line and the worst of the winter is over, prices for diesel will drop. How much I do not know.
You can read the whole thing here but you will either need to join or get one of their nifty "site passes" which is covered if you just look at an ad. Love those ads.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/10/11/diesel/
Here's a snippet:
Beginning next year, American refiners must comply with the biggest change in federal motor-fuel regulations since leaded gasoline was banned three decades ago.
.....By next June, refiners will have to reduce the amount of sulfur in their diesel from 500 ppm to 15 ppm.
Refiners are busy trying to figure out how to comply with the rules. In May, Colonial Pipeline, a major shipper that carries refined products from the Gulf Coast to the East Coast, said that it would not accept any ULSD for shipment that contains more than 8 ppm sulfur. Colonial's mandate is the result of tests showing that each time ULSD gets moved from one shipper to another, the sulfur content increases. That stands to reason: the same pipes and tanks that will carry ULSD will also carry jet fuel and heating oil, which may contain up to 3,000 ppm of sulfur.
One refinery official who works at a big plant on the Houston Ship Channel, who requested anonymity because he is not authorized to talk to the media, said that in order to deliver diesel to the pipelines at 8 ppm, the diesel leaving his refinery would have to contain -- at most -- 6 ppm of sulfur. Going from 500 ppm down to 6 ppm is a reduction of about 99 percent, and getting all that sulfur out is expensive. It requires additional hydrotreaters, which require refiners to make huge quantities of hydrogen. And making that hydrogen also requires additional equipment.
:surprise:
Having a reliable source of light, sweet crude (or maybe some of the so-called "synthetic crude" from the Orinoco basin) to start with would be a plus too, no?
Man, I'd like to see some of this come to fruition. A modified Fischer-Tropsch process to turn dirt into clean fuel for my vehicle. The money stays here and does not pay for Al Quieda. It provides jobs here for miners and workers in the new plants. It provides spinoffs that create even more jobs. It boosts the US economy to the levels of the pre Bush years. It would be energy without a war in the Middle East.
And I could still take my Jeep out in the woods.
27.9 mpg on my latest trip according to the EVIC, 25.6 mpg according to miles traveled vs. gallons pumped. Tank is full of B20 right now.
Using PowerService diesel additive 8 ozs per tank. Paying $8.88 per 96 oz container. White bottle in winter and the silver bottle diesel kleen in warmer months. Rotella T 5W40 Synthetic oil for $14 gallon from Walmart. PureOne by Purolator oil filter $8.36 from Advance.
Planning to add the factory skid plates and tow hooks very soon.
Agreed ! That was really part of the point in reply. Don't plant thistle seeds unless you want to grow thistles.
Let us know how the PowerService additive works. I just picked up 240 gallons worth of Stanadyne All Season Diesel Fuel Conditioner for $18.64 after sales tax. It's so concentrate I wonder how much it can benefit lubricity, though.
Any thoughts?
As far as PowerService, my CRD runs smoother, quieter and there is less smoke. MPG? I don't know as the CRD is still in break-in and I plan to use PS all the time. On my VW TDI I tested the PS and the immediate benifit was smoother engine, less noise, less smoke, and the mpg increased by 1 mpg in city and 2 mpg on highway when I took the time to test it.
Reason I use PowerService is that it is readily available, economical, and it has been proven to offer improvements in cetane, lubricity, and smoke reduction. Both also have anti-microbial properties so no need to add a separate biocide if you are storing fuel for any length of time. The white bottle has anti-gel for the winter.
Added mpg is a side effect that I'm not going to complain about.
I first heard about it in the 80's with the early 6.2L GM and the Ford and Cummins diesels. Farmers were able to obtain an extra 50-75K miles out of injector pumps when using PowerService. Being from the midwest one of things I learned is that if a product did not work, farmers were not going to pay for it.
Diesels have evolved, addtitives have evolved, and diesel fuel has not. I'm using an additve for different reasons in the current engines.
With the common rail engines and unit injector engines a higher cetane and higher lubricity fuel is required for optimum performance and longevity, so I spend a small amount on an additive.
I use no additives at all in gasoline engines I own except for fuel stabilizer if the gas will be stored.
I get a laugh or two when I hear people say "if the additive were needed the manufacturer of the vehicle would put the requirement in the owners manual or it would already be in the diesel fuel from the refinery".
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