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Jeep Liberty Diesel

libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
I'm not due to the smell and noise of diesel.


  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    I really think you should take this over to the Jeep Liberty forum. Thanks!

    tidester, host
  • jlp8885jlp8885 Posts: 13
    today's diesels- common rail or even the old versions (vw's tdi) are still exponentially better than 70's and 80's diesels
    because of the liberty's high weight, it won't get the 50mpg of the american jettas and golf tdis or even the 100+ mpg of the european vw polo or toyota yaris (close to the american echo) but it will be much better than the 15mpg the liberty currently gets
    if the liberty could get 30-35mpg, I would be very interested as that takes the gas mileage penatly of buying an suv out
  • I suspect it may get the Benz E300D power-plant which is a great engine.
    The Cummins engine used in the RAM trucks would literaly break the Liberty under its weight!
    Are there other options?
    In Englands the Dodge Caravan comes with a turbo-diesel.....
    Did you see the VW Touareg (The Porsche CAyenne's "seperated at birth" twin) will have a 2.5 liter turbo-diesel in addition to the big 5 liter V-10 TDI in Europe.
    That's the ultimate SUV, but pricing is halfway to the Porsche from the Liberty price.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    It may be the co-op in Volga. That is where he lives. He is always bragging how much less he pays for diesel than I do in CA. It would be good to see if he is making up stories. I wonder what the advantage would be to mixing only 2% biodiesel. Seems like extra work for little gain. In your case it is a loss. We only have one station in San Diego that sells B20 and it is a long drive. I am afraid to void the warranty. We have the best diesel available right around the corner. I have only used BP ECD-1 since it was new. All diesel will be to that standard next year hopefully.
  • docralphodocralpho Posts: 50
    I'd like to see this forum continue as this engine option is rather unique and the topic gets lost in the Liberty forum. I have seen 2 engine options which may come-- a 2.5 liter and a 2.8 liter engine, one built by Mercedes and another by, I believe, an Italian firm. The Europeans and Aussies apparently already have the diesel versions--in fact they may be being built in Toledo. I have heard about 20 miles per gallon in city driving. The newer diesels are much better as to emissions. The Euro diesel gas has much less sulfur in it due to better refining techniques used. Thus the odor is further reduced. The diesels have very large torque, less hoesepower; they may be turbo charged. I hope persons with further knowledge will post here on this topic. The diesels may hit the USA for the 2004 model year.
  • cb70cb70 Posts: 226
    Right now I am looking at an Element but a diesel Liberty would draw my attention.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    According to Dieter Zetsche of Daimler Chrysler.
    The Liberty will get a 2.8L common rail turbodiesel produced by Daimler Chrysler AG's VM Motori subsidiary in Italy. It will be a newer version than the 2.5l diesel now used in the Liberty's European model, called the Cherokee. Zetsche says the diesel Liberty will be 30% more fuel-efficient. A manual or automatic transmission will be available and the SUV will be offered in both 2 and 4 wheel drive, but I'm not sure which version of automatic transmission will be used?
  • diegob1diegob1 Posts: 10
    greetings, as I have a Diesel Liberty 4x4 I thought I would write in... I have a 2.5 diesel 5 spd manual. The Turbo lag is enormous, but otherwise it's a fine car. I get 11,5 lt/100km (town only) and 9,2 lt/100km (highway @ 120km/hr) at an average speed of 80Km/hr I got 8,8 lt/100km.
    There is also a 2.8 - 5 speed automatic available.
    Both engines are identical & have intercooled turbo's. They are manufactured in Italy (Cento) by VM. This company is owned by Detroit Diesel, henceforth their appereance in Jeeps. The engines are very advanced with common rail injection & have a high torque (343Nm & 360Nm ). They are robost & require services every 20 000 Km.
    I hope this helps...
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    Thanks Diego every little bit helps. I don't know what the US Jeep dealers will require yet. Actually they don't know themselves as they don't have anything on the 2.8 diesel that we will be getting this summer.
  • hhhhhmmm...
    Using my Macverter... that comes out to about 20 to 27 miles per gallon.
    I guess that's better than the 15 to 20mpg they get now!
    The guy at the car show said September.
  • deuskiddeuskid Posts: 20
    I am strongly considering the Jetta TDI but am also considering the Liberty [gee, I wish there was something between the 2 sizes]. I like the idea of the continous rail technology but am wondering about the rest of the Liberty?

    Is the 'non-engine' parts of the Liberty quality?

    Just which engine [who makes it and where] will be in the 04 diesel Liberty?

  • renolibertyrenoliberty Posts: 12
    You do know that only about 5000 diesel Liberties are supposed to be available the first year it is offered or at least that was the word some months ago.
  • ekkoh99ekkoh99 Posts: 17
  • colorado1974colorado1974 Posts: 177
    DCX has stated that ten thousand will be sold here as test mules to see if America will accept them.
  • renolibertyrenoliberty Posts: 12
    "The Chrysler group on Monday, Nov. 25, said it would proceed with a 5,000-unit run of Liberty diesels after concluding that gasoline-electric hybrid technology is too expensive. There are 3,309 Chrysler-Jeep dealers in the United States and Canada, according to the automaker."
                              -- Autoweek, Dec. 02, 2002

    Not quite two per dealer! Shouldn't be easy to get one. So is there new info on the production run since then?
  • colorado1974colorado1974 Posts: 177
    My dealership contact at Chrysler stated that after receiving enormous positive feedback after the first public announcement, they bumped that figure to 10,000 units. I know I already have 10 people waiting in line ready to put a deposit down.
  • natescapenatescape Posts: 176
    Wait until the end of the year when VW will bring back the Passat TDI (and wagon) with the new 134 HP, 247 lbs of torque TDI!
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,241
    I might consider one. I'm really not a fan of the liberty and would much rather have a diesel in my Cherokee, but life goes on.

    I have no worries about a diesel vehicle. My VW TDI is fantastic and enjoy it much better than any gas economy car. Performance and economy are much better, plus it's rather substantial in weight/feel.

    No doubt an SUV with a diesel will be in demand. Some folks might be scared away by the diesel just because they don't know any better. My Jetta is more quiet on the highway than most gas cars.
  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    Is it 2004 or 2005 for the release of the diesel?

    Has there been any word on the towing capability?

    I do want one.

    Still a happy camper.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,241
    Last I read they were saying Sept. of 2003 which would make it a 2004 model. They're on the streets being tested here plus have been going to Europe in this configuration for quite awhile. Shouldn't be any snags with putting them on the streets here.

    I imagine the specs/capacities will be close to the Liberty that they sell in Europe with the 2.8L CRD. The only thing that seems surprising to me is the towing capacity. They rate it at 3500kg which is about 7700#. I can't imagine them specing it to tow that much weight here just because of the chassis size. I would guess they'll limit it to 5,000# just like the V6 but it would likely pull the weight much better than the V6. It has 266lb-ft of torque at 1800rpms which is vastly better than the 3.7L. Top speed 108mph (i'm guessing governed) and 0-60 in 12.6 seconds with the automatic. Anyone that knows diesel can tell you that 0-60 time doesn't mean beans unless you just happen to be dragging from 0-60. At most real-world speeds I'd expect the diesel to feel quicker than the V6, particularly in hilly areas.

    Ecomomy in Europe is around 27mpg combined cycle which are typically high compared to US city/hwy averages. My guess is it will average 25mpg with a 21mpg city and 30mpg highway.
  • kyjeepsterkyjeepster Posts: 11
    7700 lbs towing capacity. Not while I am driving. It is bad enough to have a 3000# 28' pontoon behind a Cherokee.

    I am looking forward to the diesel Liberty and this will probably be the factor to move from my 1992 Cherokee Laredo to the Liberty. I love everthing about the Cherokee but the 16 mpg gas mileage. My 4 banger Wrangler does better with closer to 20 mpg (with stock gears, 3" lift, 32" tires, dead wait of offroad armor and winch) but it is too small for the family or cargo carrying. I just wonder if the aftermarket will be ready for the Liberty with propane injection and NOX for the 2.8L TD.

    2.8L. Scary. That was the worst gasoline engine used in a Jeep.
  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    Any new articles out there on the diesel?

    At this stage not knowing much about the diesel Liberty, I intend to buy one in the second year of production. So far it sounds like it will fit the bill for me. Towing, mileage, carrying the dogs, I think it is what I need.

    Will keep my Wrangler, but sure wish I got the 20mpg that KYJEEPSTER gets. I get 15mpg on a really good day. I got 11mpg on a 240 mile trip driving into the wind.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,241
    I doubt they'll be any real snags considering the liberty has been out for awhile, and this same vehicle has been sold in Europe already. It's not really a new vehicle, just never sold here. The only problem I see is with dealers servicing and it's doubtful that will get better over just one year. VW has been selling the TDI here since '97 and most dealers are lacking in knowledge. Although most are generally lacking regardless of diesel vs gas. I would think hooking-up with a good Jeep shop that has competant mechanics would be my main concern. A diesel isn't that difficult to work on, but some things are different and might confuse the average dealer jockey.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    According to Chrysler the Jeep Liberty Diesel will be a 2005, and will not be out until after Jeep has stoped making the 2004 Libertys. D/C, in my opinion, is crazy to wait until 2005. They could get the jump on everyone else and have a SUV of size to be a family vehicle that gets very good mileage. Just think, they would have a SUV that would average what a Honda Accord gets now. Europe is begining to work on exhausts to trap the particales coming from the diesels. After the oil companys remove 85% of the sulfur from our fuels here we will begin to have vehicles almost as good as the Europeans.
  • Even at 30% increase in fuel milage, I doubt it will offset the added cost. I would be very careful about buying something no chrysler mechanic has ever seen before. It may take a few years before they are comfortable working on them.I would hate to be the guy who's car they trained on. I'm in the appliance repair business and we see it all the time. Trying to figure out a new product which even the factory support people are not familiar with causes endless head aches for everybody. Other than that, I think its a great idea.
  • Not everybody looks at the added cost and bases their purchase solely on that. There are other factors here... lot's of torque, possibly a longer lasting engine, possibly the ability to use biodiesel. If the price of fuel shoots up then won't you be glad you have 30% more mpg?
    Diesel technology isn't exactly rocket science... the technicians will have manuals to refer to.
    The cost of having a diesel or a hybrid might not always offset the added cost, at least not right away, but some people want to start a revolution and maybe do the right thing for the environment.
    If nobody gives it a chance, then the auto manufacturers will use it as an excuse to drop it and then we will be perpetually stuck with old technology gas guzzlers.
    Kudos to companies like Toyota for introducing the Prius at a loss just to get the idea rolling. Once these vehicles become mainstream, the production costs will lower and they will become profitable.
    Unfortunately most companies don't see it that way and will end up jumping on the bandwagon later on when they finally realize they should get with it.
  • Unless DaimlerChrysler gets with the program on their Jeep Liberty Turbo Diesel, I will have to go with the new VW Touareg V10 Turbo Diesel next year. I don't get it...the Liberty (Cherokee for the rest of the world) has been on the market for a while now and all DaimlerChrysler has to say to me is..."The Jeeep Liberty is still a "concept" vehicle here in the US". How can it be a "concept" vehicle here if it's sold everywhere else?
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,241
    I don't know if that Toureg TDI is a sure bet next year either. I've been hearing gumblings about that, along with some serious teething issues with the gasser Touregs already on the streets. I love VW/Audi but even I avoid new models for a couple years.
  • DC has told thier dealer body that as soon as the last 2004 Liberty rolls off the assembly line next June, the diesel Liberty with the freshened look will start to ship to dealers.

    What DC is setting in place with this new diesel is a dealer body that can repair it, parts stockpiles in thier distribution centers, repair manuals in US english, contracts with suppliers for more engine blocks and other production parts, an allocation system to put them where they will be the most wanted, emissions systems that will allow the Liberty to meet the tough NE and CA emissions standards and so much more.

    Distributing something new take more time than a year or so, that is why they have postponed unitil the 2005 model year.
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