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This is not good news for a company that's up FOR SALE.
Farout
tidester, host
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The automaker was also recalling 149,605 Jeep Liberty SUVs from the 2006-2007 model years to fix the heating-ventilation-air conditioning blower motor. Chrysler had received a dozen reports of fires from Liberty owners.
In the Liberty recall, Gates said the blower motors could fail if the air conditioning is being used on high during hot weather.
Drivers who smell an odor such as overheated plastic should keep their blower motor below the highest setting until they bring their vehicle in for service, Chrysler said. Liberty owners are expected to receive notices about the recall in May.
Farout
I want to make a comment about Amsoil lubricants. I am not an Amsoil dealer but have used their products for years successfully. I feel you get what you pay for when you buy their products and there ares so few things today for which I can say that. Their oils have very low vaporization rates, thus the minimal goo/crud in the intake system and else where in the engine. Yes, you pay more for Amsoil, but you get what you pay for.
What will DCX do with your CRD, probably look at it, analyze it, probably fix it and sell it at auction. I am only guessing here.
Those things combined this last trip I got 35.8mpg over 2 and a half tanks this week going up into the moutains with a ski rack, 3 sets of skis and one snow board on top, at times I would drop down to 27 going up step 6% inclines with the cruise set at 75, then back down I frequently push into neutral which dramatically increases mileage on the way down. The coolest thing about this engine is that when going up step inclines all the gas engines slow down 3-5 mph with the curise set and I dont lose but maybe .5 mph.
When I take a trip to Kansas City, flat ground I can get closer to 38 as long as I can find a good wind blocker going 80, otherwise I stay around 33-34mpg on the way there, coming back to Colorado is into the wind which is crossways from the plains of Kansas and uphill all the way where I drop down to 26-28mpg for the trip back.
If I do any in town driving more than 100 miles on that tank my mileage drops down to 25 or 26 for that tank.
Hope that helps.
I would search LostKJs.com under the CRD Liberty forum for elephant hose to get pictures and more info. Otherwise when I get time I will post some pix up on this forum.
Have you had the F37 done? Have you tried testing your mpg without the additives? With the better diesel you might get some better. Do you use Bio fuel?
farout
farout
We have come to the conclusion that we will pay up to a certian amount per mile and no more, in the buy back. If we can't agree, it goes back into the shop until things are fixed. We are to find out this week what DCX will offer.
We do have a plan B, but that is a last ditch effort and that would be an additional cost for us up front.
What we expect is Tottaly reasonable, and we do have the support of the General Manager of the dealership, and the Service manager, which should work in our favor.
Farout
I have only used the aditives once I got the module, so I really dont know the difference, and I always treat the fuel before a long trip. I have one coming up next weekend, I will go without treatment the first leg and check mileage. I think it will be around 1mpg less, will let you know.
One other thing you may need to know, since their policy is so fague they have no way of actually enforcing you out of warranty on any repair since we can do oil changes on our own and dont have to prove by paperwork. 1 year ago a Toyota owner took their car in with a blown engine, they had 25k miles total and the dealer refused to fix the engine saying they had no records of changing the oil and they were out of warranty. So the owner grabbed an attorney on contingent and won, because of that all Toyota owners who had that engine (like me was awarded a new engine) my Toyota Sienna received a Brand spankin new engine at 55k miles because of some guy in Iowa who didnt change his oil.
Sure they will try to bully you into believeing you need to make these repairs. I just try to be responsible for my equipment, for example every other oil change I take my used oil in for analysis and check for metal particulates and oil breakdown. This tells me how often I need to change my oil, with my driving habits and what type of oil I need to use. For example If I go an extra 1k miles over my plan you can see a bigger percentage in the amount of metal shavings since its no longer protecting the metal as it once did. Metal shavings are normal, but you have to find the right spot for your driving habits. I typically change my oil right at 12k miles, not because it follows the schedule, but because its what works with my oil usage. On that schedule I use 0w40 mobile one fully synthetic with an engine additive called MT-10, why not Amsoil, because its easier to drive 1 mile down the street and grab several quarts Mobile one and I have no data that suggests I should use anything different.
Would I suggest doing things against the dealer or manual, Hell No, just do your best to maintain it. In your case I would dump that piece of junk in a heart beat and make them get you another one that doesnt have so many problems.
Thanks for listening, Mike
btw, I highly recommend bumping the PSI in your tires closer to max, entrance ramps and tight turns for me are now solid no more sloppy turning for me. Feels allot safer.
http://lubricationspecialist.com/front/shop.aspx?catid=3&parentid=0
4" Air box intake Mod:
http://liberty.eurekaboy.com/airboxmod.htm
WHY EGRs get dirty so fast:
http://liberty.eurekaboy.com/crdintake.htm
Elephant Hose MOD:
http://liberty.eurekaboy.com/elephanthosemod.jpg
More Pictures here http://www.one-ring.net/jeep/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=ProVent-instal- - l
Make your CRD a Hybrid using Hydrogen to increase your mileage and power bumps your mileage from 30 to 45mpg:
http://hydranox5000.com/
http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/?gclid=CO3RmKKA7ooCFQlaPgodYBOMpQ/
URL for the New Jeep Trailhawk that may hit be for sale mid to late 2008:
My buddy went to this car show and was told this vehicle will likely in some form be available for sale in 2008, minus the IPOD fancy stuff. Here are the details he got off the display board at the show:
Jeep Trailhawk 3.0 liter v6 Mercedes Bluetec Diesel
estimated 35mpg city and up to 45 highway, 190 horse power 370 ft pounds torque and 7000# towing.
http://videos.howstuffworks.com/2007-naias-jeep-trailhawk-video.htm
If it is a concern, have the MIL reset and it will start all over again.
I'm concerned about getting the other recalls done too, as my CRD is running fine, but DCX sent me another letter "reminding" me and stating that failure to do so would be considered a failure to perform proper maintenance and could void that part of the warranty. Unreal! They look for any way possible not to have to pay for what they screwed up in the first place. It's kind of sad, too....DCX makes a few vehicles that I really like, but I'm scared to buy another one after reading everyone's posts on this forum.
Twocycle2
Twocycle2
The GM diesels used in the 80's had primitive and robust features compared to the engine of the CRD.
I had the chance to see our engine completely disassembled on a workbench: it's cute and meticulously assembled, just like a motorcycle engine; you can't stick a finger in there because of the density of moving parts.
The original EU models had two flexible oil hoses running along the side of the engine. After a few hours of beating, the feed hose (the one that has pressure inside) could slip out of it's crimped threaded fitting, making oil pressure drop immediately.
I would encourage anyone with repeated problems to keep calling the 1-800-992-1997 Customer Care people. The system does work!
Now we have to make our choice of a vehicle. I like the Jeep Patriot 4x4, my wife likes the Jeep Compass 4x4. The both have the same interior it's just the body thats the main difference. We have less than two weeks to tell them which.
Farout
Do you know the cost of maintenance for the Compass or the Patriot? You will probably be surprised.
Geneva auto-show announcement:
Peugeot 4007 and Citroen C-Crosser also use the Mitsubishi chassis with their 2.2L common rail that delivers the same torque ours does. So this chassis should be made to meet european quality standards. Base price 30,000 Euros. Good intro for the Compass :shades:
I took the CRD to a local mechanic to do it's 30k mile service. The mechanic discovered that the heater connector was spewing fuel and that the tip of the connector had been burnt. He stopped work and gave me a call because it's a warranty issue. He said he tried to prime the system and that's when he discovered that is was spewing fuel. I guess he was checking it's integrity. He buttoned the thing back up and gave me the new fuel filter that he was going the replace to old one with.
So, I called the dealer. The dealer tells me that they will not fix the problem under warranty because I didn't have them do the work. Their claim is that my mechanic caused the problem and therefore it's not covered. Of course they said I could call DCX customer service, but they will tell me the same thing. However, I know that this is a known issue. Many folks here have reported the same thing. It may help me fight DCX if I had a list of folks that have experienced the same problem. I suspect that I'm going to have a fight on my hands and it might be helpful if I could provide a list of folks that are experiencing the same issue. This might be able to serve as proof that my mechanic did not cause this problem and that there is a problem with this part.
If memory serves, I recall some have reported this issue to the NHTSA. If so where do I find the complaints that have been register on this issue? This information might also help in proving it's a known issue and wasn't something caused by my mechanic.
Boy has this been a night to remember....
I hadn't got more than a block away from my mechanic's shop and the CRD stopped running right there in the middle of the road (heavy traffic too - joy!). Unfortunately, I had to coordinate a ride from a friend and the shop had long since closed by the time I got there to pick up the CRD. Anyway, I was stopped waiting for the light to change - so I didn't have any momentum to pull if off the road. Nobody would help to give me a push. I had to call the police to give me an assist. Then it took the tow truck and hour and 45 minutes to get to me. The tow truck guy hopped into vehicle and turned the key to put in neutral. He left the key on and within a minute smoke was rolling out from under the hood. I thought the thing was going to catch on fire. I jump in the vehicle, turned off the key, popped the hood, and pull the heater plug off (which was where all the smoke was coming from).
Boy I’m PO'ed… especially with my dealer’s response....
When it came time to buy, I was deciding between a F-150 and the CRD. Today I wish I went with the F-150.
Just a tidbit here - four different auto journalists in the Detroit area newspapers all gave the Compass "2 thumbs down." Everything from fit and finish, to ride comfort, to controls layout. You may want to test drive them both - and more than just around the block.
- S
Meaning that you should not tell the dealer what you do to the CRD. How could you tell them that you had a mechanic doing some work to it , knowing how the dealers are. Take it to another dealer and do not say anything, perhaps you can get away with it. Good lock....
Nescosmo
Relevant sections of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act:
Section 2302. Rules governing contents of warranties
(c) Prohibition on conditions for written or implied warranty; waiver by Commission No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if -
(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and
(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefor.
Section 2304. Federal minimum standards for warranties
(c) Waiver of standards
The performance of the duties under subsection (a) of this section shall not be required of the warrantor if he can show that the defect, malfunction, or failure of any warranted consumer product to conform with a written warranty, was caused by damage (not resulting from defect or malfunction) while in the possession of the consumer, or unreasonable use (including failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance).
It appears that in order for DCX to legally deny coverage, they have to show, or prove, that the mechanic caused damage (not resulting from defect or malfunction) to the part. I think they would have a hard time proving such a case, especially since the connector is burnt. The burnt connector proves that this didn't just occur while the mechanic was performing routine maintanence.
In the meantime most automobile manufacturers chose brass to cut down expenses in the light of the average life expectation of a vehicle. One of my headlight connectors burnt because of this cheap material, and I can imagine we will all have a potential problem with the fuel heater connection fused at 10Amp.
What is so odd at the four large dealerships within 150 miles from us, all the service managers say these vehicles are very trouble free. If others have issues with the CVT transmission shifting, it is different, but so was our CRD shifting into 5th Lockup at 63mph. We drive at the speed limit and get passed a lot. Maybe after all the time and miles we spent trying to get the "Green Beast" running right
makes these vehicle seem great, at this time anyway. As far as the ride it's sure a lot more comfortable than the liberty. The comparisons are just not equal. WE both read the Car & Driver report and two others. The parriot should be the same as the Compass but the "first drives don't reflect that at all.
If there was a fit and rough edges on the interior problems, the ones we have seem have corrected the problems.
We still have not decided on a Patriot or the Compass, but we know the colors we want. Either the Khaki, or the Jeep Green, either one looks real nice to us. The Patriot is $1,000. if equally equiped, wonder why?
farout
I change oil at about 5K miles whether it needs it or not. I use Amsoil products including their oil filters. They have a new line of them that are made with microfiber media and they are quite substantial.
I have been using Amsoil oil in the engine for about 10K miles and did not clean the hoses prior to switching over so I will look this fall to see what gives.
Good luck with getting your issues resolved. Would be nice if you could get your CRD fixed properly. At least the dealer is offering some support but what you need is a tech with some perseverance and more than two brain cells to rub together. The problems you are having with it are so bizzare. I cannot imagine Star being that stupid or stumped. It is simply beyond me that they cannot fix your CRD.
Farout,
Either the Patriot or the Compass has a true 4x4 system available.....I forget which, but that may account for price difference. Both offer 4wd, but one of them offers an upgrade (I think it's the Patriot, if I'm not mistaken) that is a more serious off-road 4x4 system....might be worth asking the dealer about it, especially if you will be using it in rough terrain.
Twocycle2
If I has stayed much longer in the dealerships waiting room, I would have to notified Social Security of a change of address. I listened to so many salesman speal I could have stepped in at any point and taken over for him. In fact I think I could close better than some of these guys. I know for sure after reading all the booklets on the DCX vehicles I could have subed for the parts guy! And thats just not cool for a customer to be able to fill in for these many positions. (especially with no pay) I just am not going to do it!
farout
farout
The new 2.9-liter V-6 diesel engine (184 nkW/250 hp), which was unveiled by GM at the Geneva Motor Show on March 6, features state-of-the-art injection and combustion technology for low emissions and high performance.
Possible for US Market?
Farout,
Sorry to here about all of your problems with your CRD. Ours were only made days apart, early June 2005. My dealer only sold (4) and (1) white was purchased back by DCX for unsolved problems. My dealer has been very supportive in fixing mine as it has needed repairs/recalls.
I just got the rear diff. oil (75W-140 synethic) changed $93., plus the regular 5000 mile service setting me back $193.+. Mobil 1 0W-40 only. I have over 38,000 on mine and it just got 25.6 MPG by fill and refill method normal only to 24.4 MPG.
zoomy
After driving the Patriot and the Compass, and comparing what each come standard with, we have chosen the Compass. The Patroit drives the same and has the same stuff undernieth but the bodys are very different. It comes down more to what a person likes. We like the Light Khaki with the Pebble Beige interior. My wife says it has to have a Power Sunroof. So besides this we are going over dealers inventory seeing whats out there, so we can tell the IFG when they call to say lets do it now, we can say here is what we want and here is one we like. At least that's how we have been told it works something like it anyway.
farout
The ideal way to help would be to have access to the data of a professional OBD code reader, the equivalent to a memory dump file. I doubt the list of problems alone can be sufficient to produce a reliable diagnostic. A simulation must be done for understanding what's going wrong.
We have pretty much accepted the fact the "Green Beast" needs to be tamed by someone smarted than we can find any where near here, so has DCX.
Diesel fuel here is not at $2.70 a gallon, up from $2.33 three weeks ago. From what you have said these prices would seem like dirt cheap to you, right?
Farout
Our diesel is now 1.12 Euro per liter, approx 5.46 USD/Gal.
I had a long chat with the head mechanics at my dealership when I took the truck in for ball joint recall (which was a non-issue by the way). He told me clearly to stay away from power chips that will destroy the torque converter. Apparently we have the same model but I have a bit less torque at the low end and this makes a huge difference. Concerning the hesitations of the shifting pattern when the torque converter is OK, he clearly pointed towards the EGR system. So all goes well from this side of the pond.
Which symptom calls for a fuel gauge exchange? Could you describe how your gauge behaves? If you have a look at this thing you will find it quite simple. It's surprising to read that people can exchange the same part so many times :surprise:
Back to the list. Providing a list of issues will help to walk you through what needs to be checked. Most good techs have three things: A good laptop computer, digital multi-meter and good work ethic. And code just gives a place were to start looking!
Fuel gauge is never even close to accurate. The gauge can say 1/4 and it can be empty. I can fill it up and it sticks at 3/4 full. We had it say 1/2 and it has taken 6 gal. The gauge is a constant game the "Green Beast" plays on us. They have replaced 4 sending units in the tank. The front windows leak air so much so that if you light a match and bring it in the curved top area it will blow out the match! door deals have been replaced twice. Service manager says he has done everything, and to adjust the doors anymore will not line up with the body. After the F-37 recall the fuel mpg droped from 21.6 and 24.6mpg to less than 20 mpg on open road, and between 60 and up when we try to get into a passing gear it has no power, just barely gets much speed up. Several sensors have been replaced as well the PCM. Passengers seat belt has gone bad twice. Inner cooler hose was replaced, EGR flow valve replaced, ball joints recalled, and 5 reflash's were done by recall. There has been a total of 25 trips to the dealer and this represents 2,400 miles and more than 100 hours at the dealer waiting for work to be done.
The things we like are the Rear Cargo Organizer, the five speed trans, the color Deep Beryl Green, the Chrome Front Grill we had put in. We have done some more things to it that fit our needs. BUT we are sick and tired of constantly having these problems. This AM my wife left our house with 3/8 of a tank, she drove 25 miles and it was showing at the empty light and at the empty peg that makes the gauge stop from going down anymore. We are retired and I have some serious medical problems, and we depend upon a dependable vehicle as we live pretty far out in the Ozarks. At present we take our 96 Dodge Neon with 193,000+ miles on it, The Neon has been well taken care of from the day we drove it home from the new car dealer. That sure says a lot right there. Any suggestions?
Farout
There is a very good dealership in Sullivan MO. West Bros. They have a great service dept. I don,t know how far they are from you but their technicians think on their feet and don't need a code to work on something.
You could disconnect your EGR valve and see if this stops the bucking motion, it will throw a code but should still be drivable. You fixed the cruise control problem the first time by replacing the PCM, could there be a bad connector on the wiring harness that has resurfaced? My guess would be bad wiring harness problems are the root of many of your problems.
Someone here about 8 months ago had there wiring harness fall down onto the muffler or driveshft and it melted the insulation and started doing some weird things. So the early builds such as yours may be suffering from these kind of things.