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As for the Cruise Control I would wait until the first issue is resolved. It may be the cause of the cruise control problems. One note here for general knowledge. On some ABS systems if a condition such as Vehicle speed doesn't match the wheel speeds the Cruise control will drop out. This is a safety issue and is also why you shouldn't use cruise control in rain or bad road conditions. I don't order any vehicles with cruise because of some bad experiences with accidents while using cruise control on company vehicles.
I hope this helps. Let me know what you find with air in your fuel. This is where you must start. It either has the problem or not. No well maybes.
# P0190 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit
# P0191 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Performance
# P0194 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Intermittent
On top of that, the engine should sometimes stall while idling and be difficult to start just after stalling.
Concerning the fuel tank level sender, if there was an intermittent problem of short duration such as an electrical connection problem, I guess this code should appear:
# P0656 Fuel Level Output Circuit Malfunction
We have to keep in mind the ECU repeats a routine and by comparing recent changes (also called events) it can trigger a set of alarms. A simple test would be to disconnect the pressure sensor while spinning the engine at high revs and connecting the sensor while the inertia of the engine keeps it turning. Would the engine stop? I don't know, but if it does stop, this would mean it's not the pressure sensor that's causing the shudder. Do you understand what I mean?
My 2005 Jeep CRD is still in disrepair. I did get to talk to 'those in charge' and picked out a replacement. We are waiting for final approval.-they said 3-5 days. Has anyone out there actually received a replacement vehicle? If so, how long did it actually take, from beginning to end of the talking. :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :sick: :sick: Hamchamp in NC
It should replaced the fuel filter and go to another station. Maybe that is the problem. Also they should replaced the electrical hornes or check the plugs that goes to each modules to see if they are properly inserted.
Nescosmo.
I've made many tests where air was trapped in compressed water and noticed that air 'disappears' well below 100 atmospheres.
I was involved in building the high pressure rinsing system described here:
http://epaper.kek.jp/p95/ARTICLES/RPB/RPB09.PDF
Farout
As I mentioned last week, I finally took mine in for the 2 computer reprograms and the ball joints....the only differece I notice is that the transmission (which had been working fine) now seems more "confused", bumping in and out of gears more than it used to....considering how delicate this transmission seems to be, I can't think that this is a good thing, but I guess time will tell. It's kind of sad....as much as I like driving it, I feel more comfortable taking my wife's Sonata on long trips for fear that something will happen to the CRD and NOBODY will have any clue how to fix it wherever it breaks down.
Twocycle2
Farout
Nescosmo.
When you have a 'stream of air bubbles' arriving to the high pressure pump, you create a cavitating condition.
When you inject too much air into the combustion chamber, assuming no alarms were triggered, your Lambda sensor will send you the NOx warning.
I got rid of my shudder problem the day I removed my EGR valve.
farout
I have used Cooper tires for several years,there are ok, but ware out faster than others I have used. I have 25,000 on the Wrangler Silent Armor tires, they have been quiet, and smooth, and ware is good. BUT< they are a high dollare tire and I am not sure if the extra money you pay for them really pans out. The Compass has the GoodYear all terrian tires on it, but I sorta expect these to be a fair to middlen tire, anyone know how they are?
farout
We have faxed all the things ISG wanted, and ISG sent all the paper work to the dealer. The dealer felt we could finish it up next week, the Jeep Compass is a 150 miles away and the dealers have worked with each other several times before. We got have our own financing, but IGS or DCX is the one paying off the loan on the CRD. I sure hope it does not take much longer with this. How are you doing without a vehicle for 10 to 30 days? In our case ISG pays off City Financial Auto, and that's who is financing the Compass as well. ISG has transferred our Chrysler Service Contract to the Compass. The warranty has 70,000 miles left so that what DCX has agreed to extend our Max Care $0 ded. 70,000 or 5 year to the Compass. We can have the Tax and plates as well. I was really amazed at how DCX resolved the problems. We are wondering if the dealer which we bought our CRD from, and is handling all this paper work, if he will charge us his $75. DOC fee? It might be the case as we are not using Chrysler Financial.
We were given the option to order exactally what we wanted but even with being put next in line at the factory it would take 8 to 10 week, and that just was not for us. The Compass has had about $300. increase from when they first started making them.
Farout
We had a 02 Dakota quad Cab, and drove it for almost 94,000 miles. Only problem was Ball Joints, 4 times they were replaced under warranty. The Dakota got between 16 to 28 mpg, it was a 4x4 as well with the 4.7 V-8, it was an outstanding engine, and it had adequate power, I was glad we did not get the 3.7 V-6 that was offered as it would have been rather underpowered.
Farout
I hope you mean synthetic oils. Be clear. There was good agreement in this forum that a synthetic oil brings resistence to problems related to coking of oil on hot turbo-charger bearings.
I called Customer Care at 800-992-1997; they investigated, including a call to my dealer. After about 30 minutes, they concluded that there is no Buy Back after expiration of 3 yr/36K mile warrantee (7/70 doesn't count), and referred me to my manual's complaint procedures and my state attorney general.
Anyone thinking of Buy Back, be aware of 3/36! That's apparently the DCX line in the sand...
H2ODog
farout
I opened the hood and pulled off the engine cover and what did I find? The hose had popped off of the tube where it attached to the intake manifold. I promptly checked the other clamps and they were in good order. I cleaned the hose of oil, the clamp of oil and it took several attempts to make sure the hose stayed put. I have put a screw driver in the CRD just in case this happens again. I will call the dealer in the A.M. and order up new parts. If they say no, then I will try an old tried and true friend, Indian Head Gasket Shellac. That should do the trick. I just need to be careful that none of that stuff gets onto the exposed butterfly valve.
To those of you with bucking issues, power loss, or misbehaving trans, check out those hose connections and make sure they are snug.
You're braver than I am! I would have attempted to fix the problem on the spot or have the CRD towed. Things can go from bad to extreme in very short order.
tidester, host
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You're always welcome!
tidester, host
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DCX is involved, however, it appears that there is always another issue, and this isn't resolved yet.*60 days and 60 nights* Hamchamps'wife.
I stopped at the dealer yesterday on the way home from work as the same hose had popped off again from the flange on the intake manifold. I spoke with the diesel tech and he stated that the hoses are becoming problematic as they age. They become porous and spongy with time and exposure to heat and the oil vapors and thus must be replaced from time to time. I made an appointment to have them replaced (both) this coming Thursday. If anyone is curious, they are around $100 each! When I made the appointment, the service writer told me that they are seeing more turbo failures too. They are not sure if it is a design issue or a bad materials issue. I will be keeping the old hoses and will try to have some custom made from braided stainless steel to take care of the hose issue once and for all.
Today I cleaned the business end of the hose that keeps popping off along with the metal flange on the intake manifold. I applied some "Aviation Form-a-Gasket cement" on both the inside of the hose and around the flange, let them setup for three minutes, and then reassembled. the whole thing. Testing comes later today or tomorrow.
DCX bought ours back, and we are to pick up our Jeep Compass 4x4 on april 2, this Monday. I will say they have been really very nice in resolving our problem with the CRD. I am sure we are in the minority with such problems. We are retired and this was a real nightmare, but DCX is making things right.
Good luck.
farout
My purpose of posting this correspondence to to share my experiences thus far with my 05 CRD and the response I received (or not received) from DC. Maybe it will help and maybe it won;t but I know I will feel better. I welcome your comments
CRDNOT
January 2, 2007
DaimlerChrysler Corporation
Re: Customer Satisfaction Notification F37
Dear DaimlerChrysler:
It is obvious by the content of your recall notice F37 that the torque converter situation is not the problem but is a symptom of the real problem. Your desire to reprogram the engine and transmission control modules to reduce the torque is an obvious admission of your failure to properly engineer a match between the 2.8L turbo diesel and your transmission. Your recall notice appears to have been written by your Marketing and Accounting departments as opposed to Engineering as you have not identified the problem with the transmission.
My decision to purchase the CRD was driven by the need for the published 5000lb towing capacity and the power/fuel economy and longevity of a diesel engine. Reducing the power of the engine I purchased as a solution to your mismatching the driveline is totally unacceptable. In effect, through tampering with the computer settings you will actually change the product I purchased after the fact. I will not give you permission to change my product.
If DaimlerChrysler is truly interested in customer satisfaction you will take the following steps relative to repairs on my vehicle.
1. You do not have my permission to change the engine I purchased through tampering with the engine management system.
2. The torque converter and transmission is to be replaced in its entirety as a unit shipped from DaimlerChrysler. Your recall notice suggests that the transmission may be damaged which would require an additional hour of service repair time. It is clear that this will be left entirely to the discretion of a service technician who has been allocated 1 hour to complete repairs on transmission damage. If I now have proof that my confidence in DaimlerChrysler to correctly engineer this vehicle was misplaced, I certainly will not trust “bench work” for a quick fix on my transmission. You have offered and I have purchased a vehicle with a driveline capable of lasting 300-400,000 miles. Yet your transmission now must be replaced at 30,000 miles.
3. The only legitimate position for DaimlerChrysler at this point will be to replace the transmission and to warrant their performance for the life of the engine. This is a reasonable expectation for anyone purchasing a vehicle. Anything less is shoddy engineering.
4. If for some reason you fail to see the benefit to both DaimlerChrysler and their customers by handling this matter in the above fashion I would expect you to take back my vehicle and refund my purchase price.
I also want to mention that I called your Michigan based customer service number last week on two occasions to discuss this recall and to discuss the use of Bio Diesel fuel in my CRD. Regarding the Bio Diesel, I was told I couldn’t use any Bio Diesel fuel in my vehicle. When I asked the person to confirm their data they reconfirmed that Bio Diesel was not approved for my CRD. I found this quite interesting since DaimlerChrysler touted in several media markets the CRD introduction with a tank of B5. Maybe your customer service staff should research your announcements on the web?
With regard to my conversation about the recall I asked specifically for answers on what caused this recall action, what exactly was the anticipated damage to my transmission, what would the end result of the repairs do to the torque, and towing capacity vs. what was sold to me. I was told my inquiry was to be directed by me to the local service manager, as my questions were too technical. I asked for a supervisor or a technician as I felt my questions were not too technical for my understanding! I was again referred to my local dealer service manager. I also specifically asked for a new transmission as well as a new torque converter. I was told to take this up with my local dealer service manager. I called my local dealer to inquire on the above and I was told I would have to contact DaimlerChrysler. Who should I call KIA?
I expect an immediate reply to my communication. I will not give my local dealer permission to proceed with any repairs until I have had your positive response to this.
I am extremely disappointed in the way DaimlerChrysler has handled this recall thus far. I suggest you check what is being said on the blogs about the CRD and this recall. . . what a shame.
Your failure to properly engineer the driveline has already diminished the value of my purchase. Your quality is best measured by the long-term value of your products. This is your opportunity to make a statement to those owners who have trusted you and to the automotive industry that DaimlerChrysler is credible and deserving of the business.
March 16, 2007
DaimlerChrysler Corporation
Customer Satisfaction Notice F37
This letter represents the second written attempt and the sixth correspondence regarding my request for satisfaction regarding the recall on my 2005 JEEP Liberty CRD. After making two phone calls I received a call back from your customer service (technical support) dept to discuss my previous written correspondence.
At the core of my problem is the reluctance of DaimlerChrysler to fully disclose the nature of the engineering problems relative to the driveline for the diesel as well as, engineering specifics relative to the true effect of the changes made, not only to the transmission but of greater concern to the engine management system.
Your recall notice F37 indicates a potential problem for the torque converter/transmission, but states that DaimlerChrysler technicians will make a change in the engine management system resulting in a loss of power to provide a longer service life to the transmission. By all reason of logic it is evident that by suggesting this fix you are obviously indicating that the transmission was not properly matched to the performance characteristics of the CRD engine. This vehicle was purchased in confidence based on four primary factors:
1. The belief that DaimlerChrysler had enough experience to properly engineer a diesel driveline.
2. The fuel economy of a diesel engine relevant to gasoline.
3. Longevity of diesel drivelines.
4. Your stated 295 ft lbs of torque, which would translate into a towing capacity of 5,000 lbs.
On February 6, 2007 I spoke with you directly, the following is a transcript of that conversation.
Q. Why tamper with the engine management system if the transmission may have problems.
A. As the recall states to extend the service life of the transmission.
Q. So if nothing is done the transmission could fail prematurely.
A. The recall is for the torque
On February 6, 2007 I spoke with you directly, the following is a transcript of that conversation.
Q. Why tamper with the engine management system if the transmission may have problems.
A. As the recall states to extend the service life of the transmission.
Q. So if nothing is done the transmission could fail prematurely.
A. The recall is for the torque converter; the transmission will be inspected for damage upon removal.
Q. What is the specific power and torque loss based on the engine remapping?
A. Engine performance would not change.
Q. How can you say engine performance will not change when you have reduced the load on the transmission by altering the engine mapping? The engineers must have some basis for the change of the settings and the effect of those changes. Again, what are the revised horsepower and torque measurements after the changes?
A. Engineers state you will not notice any difference in torque or performance with the changes.
Q. You have not answered my questions. Am I to assume that the engineering department has not tested and measured the effects of the change that they are requiring all dealers to do on these vehicles? That would be as ludicrous as a new product launch with a turbo diesel engine vehicle and not properly testing the balance of the driveline that is mated to that engine?
A. The engineers have indicated a 20 ft lb of torque drop at wide-open throttle.
Q. Why did you tell me earlier that engine performance would not change? Based on all that has been said I am formally requesting that you have engineering provide to me graphs of the horsepower and torque curves across the entire RPM range, both before and after the required changes.
A. We cannot provide that as it is information proprietary to DaimlerChrysler.
Response:
Your marketing department did not think it was proprietary when they sold me the benefit of 295 ft lbs of torque and 5,000 lbs of towing capacity.
Q. So what will the new towing capacity be?
A. I do not have that information.
Q. Would you indicate in your file reference that I requested documentation of the results from engineering regarding the horsepower, torque, and revised towing capacity of the CRD JEEP Liberty?
A. Yes I will.
Response:
I do not think we have anything further to discuss at this point. Please forward the requested information – thank you.
A. You are welcome.
Based on the preceding exchange and the entire correspondence record it is obvious that DaimlerChrysler is not interested in fully disclosing the nature of this problem or the result of their “fix”. They are interested in diminishing the performance of the vehicle I purchased in good faith, to place a low cost fix on a significant problem with the mismatch of the engine with the balance of the driveline.
Since this discussion on February 6, 2007 the entire differential assembly had to be replaced in an emergency repair as it failed within the course of 150 miles.
In my previous correspondence I suggested a fair and reasonable solution, which included an extended warranty on the driveline.
Given the lack of response and cooperation from DaimlerChrysler, the five plus weeks I have waited to receive your follow up information, correspondence or any acknowledgement in writing as requested of my concerns; I request the immediate repurchase of my vehicle for the full price I paid.
I expect your response within a reasonable timeframe and I expect it in written form as well as verbal acknowledgement of receipt of this letter.
I am still waiting their response.
Q. So if nothing is done the transmission could fail prematurely.
A. The recall is for the torque converter; the transmission will be inspected for damage upon removal.
Q. What is the specific power and torque loss based on the engine remapping?
A. Engine performance would not change.
Q. How can you say engine performance will not change when you have reduced the load on the transmission by altering the engine mapping? The engineers must have some basis for the change of the settings and the effect of those changes. Again, what are the revised horsepower and torque measurements after the changes?
A. Engineers state you will not notice any difference in torque or performance with the changes.
Q. You have not answered my questions. Am I to assume that the engineering department has not tested and measured the effects of the change that they are requiring all dealers to do on these vehicles? That would be as ludicrous as a new product launch with a turbo diesel engine vehicle and not properly testing the balance of the driveline that is mated to that engine?
A. The engineers have indicated a 20 ft lb of torque drop at wide-open throttle.
Q. Why did you tell me earlier that engine performance would not change? Based on all that has been said I am formally requesting that you have engineering provide to me graphs of the horsepower and torque curves across the entire RPM range, both before and after the required changes.
A. We cannot provide that as it is information proprietary to DaimlerChrysler.
Response:
Your marketing department did not think it was proprietary when they sold me the benefit of 295 ft lbs of torque and 5,000 lbs of towing capacity.
Q. So what will the new towing capacity be?
A. I do not have that information.
Q. Would you indicate in your file reference that I requested documentation of the results from engineering regarding the horsepower, torque, and revised towing capacity of the CRD JEEP Liberty?
A. Yes I will.
Response:
I do not think we have anything further to discuss at this point. Please forward the requested information – thank you.
A. You are welcome.
Based on the preceding exchange and the entire correspondence record it is obvious that DaimlerChrysler is not interested in fully disclosing the nature of this problem or the result of their “fix”. They are interested in diminishing the performance of the vehicle I purchased in good faith, to place a low cost fix on a significant problem with the mismatch of the engine with the balance of the driveline.
Since this discussion on February 6, 2007 the entire differential assembly had to be replaced in an emergency repair as it failed within the course of 150 miles.
In my previous correspondence I suggested a fair and reasonable solution, which included an extended warranty on the driveline.
Given the lack of response and cooperation from DaimlerChrysler, the five plus weeks I have waited to receive your follow up information, correspondence or any acknowledgement in writing as requested of my concerns; I request the immediate repurchase of my vehicle for the full price I paid.
I expect your response within a reasonable timeframe and I expect it in written form as well as verbal acknowledgement of receipt of this letter.
I am still waiting their response.
- The hose going to the intake manifold is ~4" shorter on the models equipped with EGR airflow control valve. This makes the hose stiffer.
- Your engine is now mounted on 'hydraulic' vibration dampers if I remember. Damping is made smoother by allowing more movement.
When you put all this together, you get more movement for the engine and a shorter hose. This is a miss match
- The hose going to the intake manifold is ~4" shorter on the models equipped with EGR airflow control valve. This makes the hose stiffer.
- Your engine is now mounted on 'hydraulic' vibration dampers if I remember. Damping is made smoother by allowing more movement.
When you put all this together, you get more movement for the engine and a shorter hose. This is a miss match
This explains why clamps are loosening over time. The hoses are giving in to the pressure of the clamp. We need to find an after market solution or more reasonably priced OEM hoses. :sick:
http://www.siliconhoses.com/gallery.asp
The 'HUMP hose' is even better to connect onto the EGR airflow control valve:
http://www.boostcontroller.com/index.php?category=34
Thank you for sharing the correspondence...DCX's response sounds like the typical "prepared statement" political response. It brings me to this observation, though.....my 2006 is not on the list for the F37. So, one of the two must be true: 1) There is actually a mechanical/design "fix" that was implemented on later units. If so, then DCX has simply taken the cheaper way out with the F37 recall instead of actually replacing the transmissions. OR 2) Mine had already been "reprogrammed" and left the dealer providing less power/torque than stated in the marketing material. If I'm not mistaken, didn't Ford get sued over that same thing with the Cobra not providing the advertised HP ratings a few years ago?
Any thoughts on this?
Twocycle2
I know this has been discussed before, but what automatic tranny is used in the European models? Is it the same as the US version? If not, who makes the tranny and how is it holding up?
It just seems like almost all of the problems the US versions have deal with the parts that were "adapted" for use in the US.....obviously, not enough testing took place.
Twocycle2
Thx for the input!
Twocycle2