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Jim
It makes a big difference, and you'll save $4,900 ;-)
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There are more Boxsters for sale on ebay than Mazda Miatas! Consistently! I've been watching this trend for awhile - at first I thought it was a one time anomoly on ebay but (excuse the farmer in me) it ain't!
The Miata is the "Volkswagen Bug" of roadsters, the poor mans sports car being produced in great numbers for about twenty years now. The Boxster has only been produced for eleven or so years now in less numbers and a far greater price to acquire - it should be more rare but there they are, sitting on ebay, about 174 or so. There's only 150 or so Miatas...What's going on?
My wife (the analyst) has a simple explanation: "They're upside down". She went on to say that in her opinion the Boxster appeared to be more affordable to the common consumer when in fact, it really wasn't. Not to insult anyone but she said it was the same consumer that thought they could afford it but were on a "Miata income", the payments looked reasonable in good economic time but now they want that car payment to dissapear.
She then directed me to the "completed sales" section of ebay for Boxsters. Almost all of the listings were "reserve not met" or "zero bids" whereas the fewer Miatas that were listed DID complete with a successful sale. I did consider that the Boxster should be separated from the Boxster S, but the Miata enjoys different trim levels also, for instance, the difference between the regular Miata and the "spyder retractable hardtop" Miata. This is a chapter right out of that book "Freakonomics"..... When the Boxster becomes more "exclusive" again will this signal that we're returning to a better economy?
Boxsters haven't been really "exclusive" since the day the first hit the used car market. Their resale value has always been on the low side compared to contemporary 911s perhaps due to the perception (undeserved IMO that they weren't "real" Porsches.
The arrival of the Boxster in the late 90s signalled the start of a new era for Porsche in which the company geared up for significantly increased production numbers. That move was controversial then and it still is as Porsche moves into different market segments.
As for the answer to your headline question Is The Boxster a Perfect Economic Bellwether?, I'd say "no", there are so many variables affecting the cost of used cars that the relative price of any specific model isn't much of an "economic indicator." We do not know for example how much of an effect the reports of an excessive number of engine failures has affected the price or the number of used Boxsters on Ebay.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Of course not, I understand that. You raise interesting points but the main observation is a comparison against a Miata in resale availability and quantity - things are not adding up.
I still stand by the point that more Boxsters for sale on ebay than Miatas is VERY strange.
On an end note, I thought the engine failures/fires was an isolated situation with the very first Boxsters - am I incorrect? I thought the Boxster got rave reviews for dependability, almost approaching a Honda-like status....
Look back about 20 posts for more info on Boxster engine failures. Even if you discount engine problems no one would call them "Honda-like" as routine maintainence is pretty expensive and frequent even if you go to an indie specialist.
OTOH I just got this year's Consumer Reports Auto issue nd only the '05 model year of the Boxster shows above average incidences of engine problems. '06 and '07 models show much less than average for engine problems.
They didn't have enough responses for '08 models.
The plot thickens. :confuse: .
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Whoah!!!! OK, I never knew.
Pretty substantial rap sheet on the engine. After reading multiple reports of problems suffice it to say I am extremely disappointed in Porsche - if they sincerely believe it is "reasonable" and "routine" to replace the engine at 100k miles.... They are living on another planet.
We are coming into the age of 100k mile tune-up, not 100k engine replacement, apparently the folks at Porsche got the two mixed up. I'm not expecting "Honda-like" maintenance but that engine problem is NOT reasonable. I guess it explains the ebay oddity..... Pretty sad.
Pretty substantial rap sheet on the engine
I've come across some info in direct contradiction to the reports of Porsche engine failures we've been getting from TTAC.
The 2009 New Car issue of Consumer Reports is out and I looked at the Frequency of Repair Bullet charts for Used Cars and only 2005 MY Boxsters show a higher than average incidence of engine problems. In all of the other four years where they had a big enough sample, the Boxster had a Much Better than Average incidence of engine repairs as well as a MBTA overall score which is probably why the 2009 Boxster is one of CR's 2009 "Recommended" buys.
I know that CR isn't exactly the Bible and all kinds of things can skew the sample of a particular car but I've usually found the CR bullet charts to be a pretty good predictor of how reliable a particular car's going to be.
It's also important to note that starting in '09 the 987s get new engines of different design that eliminates the Intermediate Shaft (IMS) that has been a factor in most reported engine failures.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
anyone had any experiences in buying a new Boxster. I noted that the 2007 closeout discounts were around 10-15% . However , with the bad economy and the fact that Porsche delayed the introduction of the 2009 models for 7 months, I 've heard talk of 25%-30% discounts being given. I've also noticed that the RS60 and Design Edition II haven't sold well at all. Seems to be 100s of these still around.
thanks for any advice
I would be screwed if I had a IMS failure, but are there any real numbers of how many of these fail?
Mine is a 2000 2.7L with 58K. Right now, I have no warranty on it. If the engine goes it's out of my pocket. Anyone think it's worth purchasing a three thousand dollar warranty for chance of failure?
Any input is appreciated.
A leaking RMS isn't by itself a big issue but you want to keep a careful eye on the dip stick, running low on oil will result in a wrecked motor in any car. If I were you I'd ask a couple of experienced Porsche mechanics for an estimate on repairing the RMS and an opinion on whether the extended warranty is worthwhile.
A word of caution about the EW: You have to be an experienced tech, combined with a Philadelphia Lawyer degree to figure out whether you'll be covered in the event of any specific failure.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Now have Pirelli Pzero Rosso's, but one front one has a small bulge in it. May try to get some pro-rated assistance to replace the fronts.
I've heard that these tires will wear very quickly. Also, I do not track or race the car, so I do not need the best performing tire, just adequate. I don't want something that will squeal on the road.
thanks.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
A few questions:
1) To Sie1 or anyone who may have recently purchased a Porsche Boxster ... can you share some info about your purchase and of your experience?
2) To everyone ... were such discounts really given? And what price range could one expect to pay for a 2008 and 2007 Boxster S with say less than 4000 miles in this present market? And what are the must have "perks"? And is it better to buy from a dealer vs a private seller?
Thanks! :shades:
A couple questions as a new porsche owner:
1. what can I expect from the wind deflector ? it's not cheap, i called some local Porsche parts stores and they quote it over $500 plus the labor to install it.
And if I decide to buy it, is there an online store for it for a lower price ? ( can it be mch lower than $500 ?) and it needs professional installation or how easy to install it at home ?
2. what/where would be good/reliable/reasonable-pricing online stores for buying bosxter accessories and maintenance parts ( other than the Porsche parts stores, from which the prices are very high) ?
3. where would be another popular online forum(s) for Boxster for learning more experiences from other Boxster owners ?
Any tips would be very appreciated. Thanks much!
CarLover
Can anyone please tell me how to absolutely confirm which battery cable on the porsche boxter is the positive and negative cable? Thank you
2000 Boxster
I like to try my questions again, please advise some answers.
Thanks!
I purchased a left-over brand new 2008 Boxster, and I love to drive it.
A couple questions as a new porsche owner:
1. what can I expect from the wind deflector ? it's not cheap, i called some local Porsche parts stores and they quote it over $500 plus the labor to install it.
And if I decide to buy it, is there an online store for it for a lower price ? ( can it be mch lower than $500 ?)
and it needs professional installation or how easy to install it at home ?
2. what/where would be good/reliable/reasonable-pricing online stores for buying bosxter accessories and maintenance parts ?
( other than the Porsche parts stores, from which the prices are very high)
3. where would be another popular/reliable online forum(s) for Boxster for learning more experiences from other Boxster owners ?
Any tips would be very appreciated. Thanks much!
CarLover
And if I decide to buy it, is there an online store for it for a lower price ? ( can it be much lower than $500 ?)
and it needs professional installation or how easy to install it at home ?
What you can expect is a reduction in the amount of backdraft entering the cockpit. $500 seems like a lt for a simple piece of plastic. If I were you I'd type the words "Porsche cockpit wind deflector" into a search engine and see what came up.
The Edmund's rules prohibit creating a direct link to other auto forums so I'll just tell you to try the Porsche Club of America for a Boxster forum (www.pca.org).
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
I wish I still had the car but a new baby meant a change of cars. Good luck to you!
Thanks!
$19,500 is probably not out of line for an S with such low miles.
There are no percentages of IMS failure in Boxsters, however the scuttlebut among drivers is that PNA is aware of the problem on the 996 engines and the failure rate could be as high as 20%. All the new Box's have better IMS installed and it can be retrofitted (as mine supposadly was).
if by any chance your hearing a metallic virbation from behind and you mistook it for the wind deflector, then i know for a fact that the previous boxsters (2006 and 2007) have a defect and they occasionally make that noise when you first start accellerating, and i beleiev there was a peice they decided to add on all new cars after their first service. But I am sure the 2009 should have this issue resolved already.
I totally love my old 911. It's as much a hobby to work on as drive. I need greater reliability and affordability in my daily driver, but the Boxster is alluring enough that I could deal with some pain....just not blown engine pain. Note: The IMS is not the only engine issue with the M96.
We need a car designed and engineered in europe and built in asia. Americans are building better cars these days, but think asia still has the edge.
Now, let me give you my shipping information.... lol..
j/k.. sounds like a really nice car..
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