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"Have we gone too far?" No, but you are getting closer.
That Silverado you love is STILL a Chevy. No matter how you try to spice it up...it will always be a Chevy. That is the problem with it.
thessick,
As long as the Tundra stops in a shorter distance than all of the big three, does it really matter what kind of brakes it has? As long as it works, I wouldn't care if two giant Flintstone feet dropped out of the bottom of the Tundra when I step on the brake pedal.
What I am trying to determine- is it the brand (Toyota Chevy whatever)that is so important to you? Are you comparing the trucks or the brands? I can understand if you are brand loyal - lots of people are.
If Chevy would have came out with the Tundra as its full size pick up for 2000 - I mean the exact truck - same options, choices (or lack of choices) dependability & price and Toyota would have produced the Silverado line up -again exact same truck except it would have the little globe thing instead of the bow tie. Which truck would you want???
I can honestly say I would be driving the Toyota Silverado. It was the truck itself that made my decision - not the brand.
Would you be driving the Chevy Tundra or the Toyota Silverado?
have reported are still not nearly as bad as defective ABS brakes, transmission problems at 50k miles and other ailments that GM products (and other Big 3) are prone to. Face it, GM still makes poor quality products. You GM people just will not admit to it.
An ex-GM owner (and never will be again)
It's not that I'm brand loyal, I've owned Honda, Yamaha, and Kawasaki motorcycles and I plan on buying a Suzuki. none of those brands has ever left me feeling pissed off about my purchase, unfortunatly Ford, Chevy and Chrysler have. I've made my decision to stick with Toyota for no other reason then they have proven themselves to me. And as far as I'm concerned, that's all that matters.
By the way, I would buy a Ford before a Chevy.
Be honest how could your 5'10" 180# back seat passengers have been comfortable riding in the back of your Tundra for 10 hours. I am not even 5'8" and only weigh 175 and I could not ride back there for more than 10 minutes without feeling cramped. Do you think maybe they just didn't want to hurt your feeling? Or maybe they were in the bed.
Ever ridden a sportbike for 10 hours? Anything is comfortable after that. :-)
I imagine they weren't complaining because they want to go back, and of course want me to drive.
I guess you are right about the back seat of a Tundra being more comfortable that a sport bike. Also after riding a sport bike for a few hours it may actually feel good to sit up at a perfectly straight 90 degree angle.
On the Manchester Expressway, next to the flightline of LAX International Airport, I was taking my normal route home from work and encountered dead-stopped traffic behind a thick black cloud of smoke. At first, I thought it might be a light commuter jet that somehow missed the runway and augered in. Keeping me from taking a shortcut through the emergency lane around the snarled traffic were a paramedic truck and a big Westchester F.D. hook and ladder rig racing to the scene.
After about ten minutes, the CHP and LAX airport police started moving traffic through the far left lane. Finally, it was my turn to get to see what the commotion was about...
.. on the right shoulder was the smoking remnants of a late-model Chevy 2500 4x4 with the cab burned down to the the shiny, sooty metal where it had been completely engulfed in flames just minutes before. The rear-end of the truck looked just fine, though.
I am happy to say that the driver wasn't at personal loss, as this Chevy was a company truck owned by a local plumbing company, I believe, telling by the bed frame rack full of pipes and so forth.
Oh, one of the few times I didn't have my camera, something like this has to happen. Sorry, no pictures for you all. I really regret it.
While passing by, I made sure my outside air vents were closed so as not to ruin my new truck smell with molten plastic fumes from the totalled Chevy on the side of the highway.
... Mebbe he was doin too much hawl, and it done broke?
If the Tundra is quicker than a Ram, but slower than a Dakota R/T, what is proved? That light makes might? Not for trucks that work, in my opinion. But fine for you if you bought it to race other trucks, and don't mind losing some.
What do you not understand? Do you know what an analogy is?
You were the one who mentioned this "wanna be stuff".
The article states, "Enter Tundra. A pickup infinitesimally smaller than the Big Three on the outside and in the back seat, but in the same league for critical dimensions in the fron seat, cargo loading, payload, and the similar-size-engine towing capacity. Cleanly install a V-8 that puts others to shame, and, abracadabra, a real pickup."
Who did they chose as "America's Best Pickup"?
That is my point!!
But "Cleanly install a V-8 that puts others to shame, and abracadabra, a real pickup." ???
A "real pickup" seen through the eyes of a "real car-magazine-editor." Doesn't mean diddly.
And doesn't put the other engines to shame, in any case. Gets worse EPA gas mileage for city and highway driving compared to the big GM engine, propelling a bigger, heavier truck.
For that matter, why didn't YOU answer the question, "what is the criteria necessary to be a full size truck"? Could it be that there is none? Could your perception be wrong? Typing sound-bites of the quote I mentioned in the article only prove that you are in denial that the Tundra is a real truck. Thinking your truck is best just because it's a few inches bigger means nothing to me. It's still a GM product!
FYI, the magazine was TRUCK TREND, not Motor Trend. Your good buddy Vince brought it up, I just responded to the rublue2 mentality.
tp4unc, you are 100% right!!!!!!!!!!
I paid cash for my Silverado. I can drive anything I want. It's not an excuse to be impractical. I would consider a Toyota. But when I look at those thin seats and the bland cloth interior of the Tundra, I'm turned off. The T100 may have set the stage for this. A Red Tundra Limited w/leather (like Jcm1 saw) is appealing, but an even bigger waste of money. Whether you want to think of Tundra as the smallest full size, or the largest mid size makes no difference. But for me, I've had smaller. I wanted bigger. No regrets.
You are THE man!! No doubt about it. You better get out of here fast though. The first symptoms of Tundra Envy are unsolicited and irrelevant comments by domestic truck owners. You are displaying these symptoms! Doctors confirm this is tell-tale a sign of buyer's remorse(first stage of Tundra Envy). Since you can drive anything you want, maybe you should push that Chevy over to the local Toyota dealer...give them the Chevy and about $27,000 and get you a NICE truck. It may not be too late. Good luck.
Others,
I apologize for responding to Quad!
P.S. Toyota folks. Be secure in knowing that you probably have a darn good truck, and don't take some of the jabs so frigin personal!
You are correct. Maybe you shouldn't go away afterall. The disease will be good for you.
Whatever the Gods from Toyota say is full size is full size.......
The Tundra is a good mid-sized truck, but if you can not see that it is much smaller than Ford, Dodge & GM 1/2 ton trucks you need to get your eyes checked...
I'm done, I have other fish to fry. By the way, I am an offroading type of person. I have been doint this for almost 17 years now. I know trucks pretty well I would say. The only thing Toyota has going for it is the locker rearend it puts on their Tacoma. Enjoy your truck, but please stay out of the mountains/trails.
Big 3 puts out especially Chevy. GM products are the biggest pieces of junk made. See ya later....
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Whats the deal here? I have found little that would serve someone who's looking for meaningful information against which a purchase decision could be made.
Just an observation from one who "popped in" looking for objective information. WHEW!!! Best be looking elsewhere.
Respectfully,
and the bad attitude SOME of you are displaying here. I'd strongly suggest that you reread your participant's agreement regarding civil discourse!
This topic will remain frozen until 29 Sep 99.
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