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Dodge,Ford,Chevy-----Who Wins? - II
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BTW, I've owned Fords, still own one. They have been good, but my Chevys have been good too, for different reasons sometimes. I like my Chevy dealer more than my Ford dealer, is one good example.
All trucks have to have something good about them or they couldn't possibly sell so many of the different brands year in and year out.
You know that selling trucks is no measure when ZBADDD is concerned. According to the Bad-man, only idiots buy trucks that aren't made by GM.
Quad,
Those twins have always had a good torque advantage hence start-up after braking gives the Duc a good ride. I doubt though, that on most tracks, identical displaced engines from the Japanese and Ducs would be an ugly race. Those Red and Blue bikes would be dusting the Italians.
PS: Am I the only guy who doubts that Hypo-ZBAD-crite ever owned a Ford? After knocking EVERTHING about the truck--he then wants us to believe that he bought one? I'm not a huge fan of Chevys but I'll always acknowledge their advanages.
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Talk to ya later
Oh wow--I didn't hear that ZBAD is also an electrical engineer! I think it's also strange that he bought a F-150 but claims to haul a "40 ft. goose-neck trailer full of livestock"!!!
ZBAD is a fraud. I have e-mailed him in the past and every time you try to pin him down--he disappears for a few days and then never answers your questions. He is probably some fat clown working at a movie rental store and just gets his jollies off knocking Fords for anything.
2002!
plus its faster than the 6.0l chevy, even if the chevy is still new, the horspower diffrence should make up for much faster times!!
Dodgeram please check out the motor trend comparo on dodge vs. Ford V10's. According to that your mighty 360 beats dodges own V10.
Hey ZBADDD,
Check out the sales figures big guy!!!!!!! Remember the debate?? F series best selling truck for 22 years and now the best OVERALL for 3. This is after the wholly-new Chevy was introduced? How could this happen?
That sucks. I hate hearing about bone-head decisions by the brass and union and how it affects the little guy. Even if he did sell Chevys.
The chat board is similar to a newsgroup - posts are threaded from the initial subject.
kcram
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I wish Edmund's provided the invoice/MSRP price when a vehicle was new for all years. That would be much more interesting.
long bed. I can't believe GM would only offer a short bed on a heavy-duty truck.
One note on the technology of the C/K's, however. The motors were upgraded substantially in '96 (Vortec engines) with much more power and better fuel economy. The Vortec 5.7L (350) still has equal or better power and gets equal or better gas mileage than either the '99 Ford 5.4L or the '99 Dodge 5.9L (don't know enough about the 2000's yet, but I suspect they are the same. I'm not putting down the Ford or the Dodge engines, by the way, I like them both). Also, all the C/K's are available with all the most advanced safety equipment, comfort features, etc. Finally, the prices are quite a bit lower than the Silverado's/New-Sierra's.
I've lost track of my point... Oh yeah, it's unfair to claim that the GM C/K's are 12-year-old technology. Now a 12-year-old bodystyle is true.
If you bought the Ford Super-duty because it was better looking than the GM crew-cabs, I'd be in complete agreement (The GM crew-cabs are the most hideous looking things. They're too low and too narrow).
-powerisfun
P.S. As you can probably guess from my somewhat defensive posture, I am the owner of a C/K truck with the Vortec 350.
But on the topic of OHC verses OHV, it's a shame that OHC has become such a buzz word associated with "high tech". To me it's not high tech, it's just another option. Whether it's a good option for a truck engine, time will tell with Ford and Toyota. Ford's seem to be doing great, and the Toyota gets praises left and right. The Ford even has more low-end torque than the GM's which is just the opposite of what I'd expect from an OHC from what I've read. In fact, if I didn't know anything about the engines and someone showed me their torque curves and said "Guess which one is the OHC engine". I'd guess the GM's because it's flatter and higher reving.
I'd prefer GM to stick with the OHV engines, even in it's cars. The 3.8L in my wife's '89 Buick LeSabre (with 155,000 miles on it) kicks the crap out of the Dodge Intrepid's OHC engine and gets the same (or better) gas mileage at 30+ mpg highway. It's not even the supercharged 3.8L, but man has it got torque! Public perception will probably force them to change it though.
-powerisfun
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Rocles:
That's a good point about electric motors in trucks. Maybe trucks will keep the IC engine alive and well.
-powerisfun
Now where was I going with this one......?
Touted as the most powerful gasoline engine offered to the American truck market, GM's Vortec 8100 V-8 will replace the company's 7.4-liter and 502-cubic-inch engines. The 8100 is designed to be California LEV compliant while providing industry-leading acceleration when pulling a heavy load. 30 more hp then Dodge & Fords V-10s...plus more Torque too !
Wildman
really though, Ford and Chevy (and Dodge will be) both have updated their line of engines with new units of smaller displacement, more power, better mileage. it just seems really odd that their replacing the best powerhouse with a BIGGER engine. It would really seem that the one-ton trucks would get a 6.5-7.0 liter big block, that would produce same power or better as the v10s of the world, and then this 8.1 would be for the BIG trucks...
-powerisfun
powerisfun,
Your point? That 454 is a beast on gas no matter what cdean's dad's trucks do otherwise.