Buff.......very interesting. Obviously the venting channels go under the cupholder and the console in order to project the heat into the back seat area which is approx 18 inches from the front of the cupholder to the heater vents in the back seat, so I guess it is possible for contents in the c-holder to warm up but I can not understand how the contents could get that hot but I will take your word for and try it myself. I also think you can turn off the heating and cooling vents for the back...have you tried that for a comparison...worth a try..but I will put a set of keys into the c-holder and see what happens......now if your keys were lying on the catalytic converter for an hour...wow, would they be scorching hot I will let know what I find out if anything as you may stumbled on to something indeed......regards harrier2.......my ongoing pain in the a.. problem is the dam open door chime wants to go off without stopping whether driving, parked, engine on , engine off...it just goes on and on..until some force in nature decides to make it stop.....door switch seems ok...well , it is going to the dealers fix ......
Hi Harrier 2 Just wanted to let you know the keys I put in the deeper box in the console. I did not place them in the cup holder. The console has two compartments the first is kinda small and you really can't put anything in there. The second one is deep and it has an outlet inside that is where I put the keys. I must test this and see if it happens when the heat is off in the back. Just got the car and everything is so new. When you do your test make sure your back heat is on and ride it for awhile not ten minutes. Good Luck with you problem with the door chime. Keep me posted. Buff
Sorry I don't know the correct term I know its not an electrical outlet but just want everyone to know what compartment I am speaking about. Since this is the first year for the Amanti I am sure there are some bugs that must be worked out. This could be one of those. Buff
Hello, On a trip to LA from Phoenix I also noticed a lot of heat coming from the console. I had the rear heater turned on. The passengers in the back seat had blocked the vent, so I did not think too much about it and just turned off the heater using the switch in the dash. I will check this out again by putting in a oven thermometer in the large part of the console and see what it does after a few hours driving with a clear vent.
Buff......I tried the heater today full blast at highest temp allowed by heater on the to work this morning with the rear vent on and the best way I can describe it is that the console was slightly and very mildly only WARM and not at all hot. It was what I would have expected given that the vent goes under the console. So I did not get the same results (hot) as you did but this a trip of only 16 miles at highway speeds (70+). I will try again on a longer trip. I think Gary12 has a good idea putting a thermometer in the console. Hopefully he will report back to us all....regards, harrier2
Hi Harrier2: Thanks for testing this out when I drove my car to get serviced it was only a twenty minute drive and it was warm as I stated before. When you go for a longer drive about 45 minutes try and put a set of keys in the console (the larger on with the electrical plug that is what I call it) and see if your keys are hot when your ride is over. Please keep me posted. Thanks Buff
Here are just a few things that CR says in the Jan 05 edition about the Amanti.....the Amanti is not up to the level of the BETTER cars in this class (Ford 500..two models and the Chrysler 300..two models)..the car ( Amanti) feels too buoyant to be comfortable..with reluctant handling and a lack of agility the Amanti is the worst car we've recently tested..fuel economy is unimpressive..excessive ride motions make the car feel as if it is cresting waves..the car is reluctant to corner and wallows over midcorner bumps..body lean is pronounced..the steering is light and provides little feedback..wide turning circle makes parking awkward..on the handling course the Amanti felt sloppy with plenty of body lean and so-so tire grip..braking was good but stops were a bit long on wet surfaces and the front dipped quite a bit...rear seat found taller passengers lacking head room..the dimmer control is hidden and on and on!!!!!! BUT A VERY FEW items are listed as positives BUT THEY ARE TOTALLY OVER SHADOWED BY THE OBVIOUS BIAS AGAINST THE AMANTI...I could agree with some of the concerns to a lesser degree than CR but CR in my opinion is rather bias and unfair to the Amanti.....after all it was not long ago that CR touted and highly recommended the Ford Focus as a super car with a super price....just check the reliability of the Focus as well as many other CR recommendations in the past which turned out to be dogs....bottom line CR generally tries to be fair and objective but I feel they blew it with the Amanti............CHECK THE ENTIRE ARTICLE FOR YOURSELF........but I won' t cancel my subscription..........harrier2 ...just my opinion but the BULK OF THE INFO IS PROVIDED BY CR AND I AM JUST THE MESSENGER SO YOU DEVELOP YOUR OWN OPINIONS BUT I STAND BY MY QUESTIONING OF CR's EVALUATION.........
You dont read CR very consistently or thoroughly, it would seem.
CR has rated the Hyundai Sonata, Elantra, and Santa Fe very favorably when it tested those models, and the redesigned Spectra had a good but not great review. Those strike me as Korean cars. And they we'rent "zapped".
You also confuse the performance in CR's test with reliability- CR NEVER RECOMMENDED the Focus until its reliability picked up after 4 years on the market. Reliability is not tied to the model's test scores, simply the 'RECOMMENDED' rating.
Finally, CR did NOT state that the Amanti was "the worst car we've recently tested", what they said was "With reluctant handling and a lack of agility, the Amanti is the worst-handling passenger car we've recently tested". Interesting how you omitted the adverbial phrase, and obviously, CR's statement differs significantly from the one you claim they made.
Maybe CR just called the Amanti's performance what it was.
Messages 427 & 428 are both right in my opinion. But, I lean more towards 427. CR was rough in their opinion, of the Amanti. For example, none of the cars had a smaller turning circle, but Amanti was singled out as 'hard' to park because of it's turning circle. Also, the 'hidden' dimmer switch was mentioned. I can find it. As far as I know, the rear seats of a Mercedes, Jag, BMW or even Rolls Royce do not fold down. Minor point, I think. And so it goes, on and on -with these almost meaningless negative comments. KIA, it seems to me, has an uphill battle with most of the car magazines. This CR report is really an afterthought anyway, as the Ford & Chrysler get a two page report -we got one. The poor visibility alone should carry a lot of weight against the Chrysler 300. For me, I want a car that is pretty much what the Amanti is. A soft, quiet pillow like ride for not a lot of money. I can out perform most other cars on the road, and do so everyday. No, it's not the fastest and it's mileage is not good. Big deal. Does anyone feel like their Amanti is "cresting waves"? Did I get one of the good ones??! 'Cause mine doesn't do that! I know...I'm kinda sensitive about this. But, if this car had a Honda or Toyota badge I think it might have been a little more well received. That's of course just my opinion, but I anticipated this from CR. Thanks all for your time and letting me vent a little, -Pete FL
Hi Kribe 123: When I broought my car in for service I was speaking to the manager of sales not the manager in the service dept. I asked him when the 2005 are coming out and he said that they must get rid of the 2004 first. Interesting we may have one of a kind car, please keep me posted if you hear anything about the 2005. Thanks Buff
CR also commented on the Five Hundred AWD's large turning radius. And an acceleration/economy tradeoff that really isnt a tradeoff since neither is good.... is a fairly big deal. Also- the Five Hundred and 300 got two pages each because two models of each was tested. If Kia offered an Amanti with different powertrains or drive wheels, I feel confident CR would have tested it.
I dont think a Honda or Toyota badge would have changed anything- when those makes have put out subpar offerings, its reference. The Element isnt very highly rated, and the last generation Toyota Tacoma was largely unloved by CR.
Its not that I dont like the Amanti. It seems like a good car. I just feel it competes against better ones. And I value objectivity.
Thanks for your input alpha. I know CR tries very hard to be objective, and I respect that. Having said that, I also believe, that in looking for anything perceived as a negative, can give an impression that a car may not be as good as it really is. I know, CR is supposed to point out things that they don't like. However in the sum of it's parts, this is a well thought out car - for what it's supposed to be. It's a luxury ride, but it isn't a sport sedan. I have driven long distances, and arrived fresh and not fatigued-something I cannot say for many other cars I've owned. CR loves safety stuff. Why not highlight the front AND rear side curtain airbags that are not available or optional on the others? By the way, do you own one? -Pete
I won't say that Consumers Reports isn't a credible source of information, (generally)....but I'm far more concerned with what "consumers" report. And, without exception, the "consumers" I've spoken to have very few complaints with the Amanti. As with any new vehicle, a few bugs have to be worked out, but so far, I certainly am very satisfied. Like a lot of you, I didn't move up to the Amanti from some small subcompact, making it almost impossible NOT to be impressed--I have driven luxury cars for well over twenty years, and my evaluation of the Amanti is based on how it has met with what I expect out of a luxury car. The ONE thing the Amanti did NOT provide (as with other luxury cars) was a large, gaping hole in my bank account, LOL!
Very well put, stockchaser! I'm just concerned that, with enough misinformation out there, the perceived value will go down of an otherwise deserving car. Someday (not soon) I might want to sell my Amanti and hope the resale value will be fair. Of course that was part of the gamble of buying a KIA, not known (yet) for luxury cars. I hope that will change though as it has for Hyundai's quality issues! And as you mentioned, the value is very high IMHO! -Pete
No, I do not own an Amanti. The one I was in had excellent fit and finish though. I did not drive the car.
I'm curious as to your comment on "misinformation". The CR review paralleled very closely to the Car and Driver review. And heck, why no uproar over Motor Trend, which said "At the level of the Japanese... of 10 years ago" (paraphrased, but it was indeed very similar to that).
Again, I'm not stating that the Amanti is bad car. It just seems that there are better ones out there. And I wouldnt have said anything in the first place, if people partially blinded by ownership bias didnt decide to completely dismiss the CR reivew as unobjective.
I too read the Motor Trend comment a few days ago and I wondered just which Japanese car of 10 years ago they had in mind. A 1994 what? Lexus? Camry? That MT comment is bordering on an insult if you ask me. Maybe that's why I'm a little defensive. Between MT & CR, Amanti just gets little respect. Of course there are better cars out there, but feature for feature, no 1994 Japanese car can compare to my Amanti of today. Keep in mind, this is also a more inexpensive auto than the rest in it's class. Since you don't have any experience driving an Amanti, you might believe CR in that Amanti's "excessive motions" ride as if it "crests waves" like a boat I suppose. I don't. Which is exactly my point. You're buying their opinion that other makes are better and perhaps being misinformed in that sense. Nothing personal of course, as I do appreciate and respect your comments. I hope you can understand though where I'm coming from. -Pete
I got the top of the line Amanti a month ago. It has the electronic stability control. I had taken one home for the night that did not have one. I took it on I-4 and I noticed the crest wave, up and down, like my old Mercury that I had. I do not notice it with the ESC. I really am enjoying my Amanti. CR was very hard on it. They will change once they see supporters like us who love our Amanti. I do wish it did better on fuel! Did you say the back seats fold down? I didn't know that. How do you release them? Bill - Orlando
I don't have the ESC and I really don't notice the 'crest wave' affect. Maybe it's our Florida roads that are pretty decent here. Also, the comment I made about the back seats was in comparing our car to other high end cars. Their back seats also don't go down. In other words the Amanti seats don't go down. Sorry if that came across incorrectly. -Pete
I recently rented a Kia Amanti for 2 1/2 days and was very impressed with the car. I would absolutely consider this car very strongly when I buy my next car. Here's what I liked and disliked.
LIKED :
1) EXTREMELY quiet interior. This must be one of the quietest cars in the world. A Car and Driver test stated 63dbA at 70 MPH. That's quieter than a Lexus LS 430, and I drove that car too, and the Kia Seemed quieter (especially less tire thump).
2) Nicely appointed interior. Appearance is subjective, but the interior is beautiful. Aesthetically, it's VERY pleasing. The interior of the Amanti is a very peaceful place to be. Interior room was very good.
3) Exterior Appearance. Subjective, but very nice and unique.
4) Safety features. The Front / Side(EVEN FOR REAR SEAT) and Curtain airbags are really great to have in such a reasonably priced car. Also, structual integrity seemed good, and other Kias have perfomed well in crash tests. This car felt VERY SUBSTANTIAL.
5) Other. Acceleration - the car felt powerful. Ride - The ride was very smooth and EXTREMELY quiet. Seat Comfort was very, very good. The ergonomics on the car were very good.
DISLIKED :
1) SOUND SYSTEM - I think the rental car I was driving had the Infinity system, (I think it was the upgraded system, but I'm not sure). It just didn't sound that great to me.
2) NO VERTICAL ADJUSTMENT FOR PASSENGER SEAT. It would have been nice if the passenger seat adjusted vertically. Kia should consider making that an option.
Other comments :
Gas mileage seemed OK. According the the computer, the car I was driving would average around 23 MPG during 30-50 MPH driving. The car did bob/float a little during certain situations ( like when you reverse out of the driveway quickly then stop the car,change into drive, and taking off quickly) but it wasn't a problem. There is no key hole in the passenger door, so you have to use the remote key fob to get in on that side - which is fine, it's just I wasn't used to that. The claim by Consumer Reports that it feels like it is cresting waves is a dramatic exaggeration. The climate control system was quiet, and seemed powerful although the weather during the 2 1/2 days I drove the car was generally mild. Visibility was good, the rear had a small blind spot. The brakes seemed fine. The transmission shifted VERY smoothly. On two separate occasion when I was getting out of the car in a parking lot, people passing by who I didn't know, said, "Wow that's a beautiful car." I didn't like the way they cover virtually every component under the hood with plastic casings, it makes it a pain-in-the -neck to service. I hope the long term reliability is good, that would be my only concern, of course the excellent warrantly at least helps to ensure it won't cost much. Anyway, I thought this was a really nice car to live with, and felt that it compares VERY favorably with other cars. It's ashame that some of the testing magazines seem to be unfairly biased against this car, either because it is a Kia or becuase of its softer than normal ride. All in all, I think this is a VERY VERY good car. If it proves to be reliable, it will be a GREAT car.
Thank you for your excellent comments! I agree with you entirely. I do think all those plastic panels around the engine, are to keep it a little quieter. Also, thanks for reminding us about the generous warranty. -Pete
I agree with you, Pete, that I believe the casing over the engine helps to deliver a quieter ride. I traded in my Lexus RX300 for my Amanti and I believe it not only is quieter, but smoother. And, hey, not to mention the luxurous interior. It is very homey. Great detail. But I need to get a life and stop sitting in it in the garage at 2:00 am. lol
is renamed by me as "Clodsumer Retorts." If ever there were a group that should stick to reviewing lip balm and dishwashers this group is that. Really. Kia continues to just plain outdo themselves with each generation of car they produce and Clodsumer Retorts just flat out obliterates them in print. What kills me is when Kia puts out a new product, like say the new world order Spectra, and Clodsumer Retorts reviews the new product with a picture of a Spectra from 2001 or something. What a waste of good paper. The Kia Amanti is the best value in it's class and is built very well and has many luxury and safety items built in, along with unique looks. I have learned which car mags to avoid like the plaque and Clodsumer Retorts tops that list.
Yes i agree the CR and Motor Trend reports on the Amanti are appalling but we need to remember that Us Amanti drivers are a minority. Quite, smooth, lofty, pillow riding cars with feather lite steering is not considered "mainstream". Thus cars that dont fit the "main stream" get poor reviews from car magazines. Another good example of this, is the critical reviews Saab's get (almost bought one). Once again its because they dont fit with "main stream" vehicles. Instead Consumer Reports sucks up to Toyota, and Motor Trend sucks up to BMW (both vehicles I hate).
one must understand it has an attitude that, in essence, says "government should protect us from ourselves whatever the cost." When people (drivers, for example) do stupid things, no government program can protect them 100% of the time.
It's also biased in favor of European and Japanese vehicles, against "gas guzzlers," in favor of stiff/firm riding vehicles, against customer choice of options it considers "safety" features, and on and on. If people want SUVs, Hummers, big pickups or anything else, it's none of Consumer Reports' business, but, like other special interest groups, it would prefer to ram its preferences down my throat. Once you realize where it is coming from, you can decide how much of its "objective reporting" to believe.
the same page regarding Clodsumer Retorts. Funny, I tend to like Motor Trend magazine a lot more, though. I like it's historical stuff and some of it's reviews on new cars are are done pretty well. I think we all agree that a lot of car reporting(overall in the news media, too)has to be thought about and chewed up and spit out if need be. I just think it's tacky to not even spend the time to include an up-to-date photo of the car they're reviewing. I lose a lot of respect for them when they do that.
To the credit of the online reporting team at Edmunds, all of the reviews I've read of theirs regarding cars I'm interested in include an up-to-date-photo of said car. That sheds a lot of light on the slant-angle and objectivity of the reporting, eh?
This conversation is bordering on riduclous. Here, we have someone who is calling him/herself "iluvmysephia" decrying the objectivity of consumer publication. Right.
More than any other discussion thread at edmunds.com, this group seems least able to take any criticism of their vehicle. Surely, the editors and expertise of Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and Consumer Reports must all be completely missing the boat with respect to the Amanti.
Its funny though, cause when the better Korean entries get their share of kudos (cars such as the Elantra) from Car and Driver and Consumer Reports.... nobody says a word about how biased these publications are.
iluvmysephia- exactly which issue are you talking about that showed a previous generation model? FWIW, a couple years back, Car and Driver flubbed a Camry comparison test and included more than 5 pictures of a model they didnt test, and never stated the error until several issues later when a reader wrote in about it. Stuff like that happens in publishing, and doesnt happen as often in web based mediums becuase those are super simple to update. Deal.
I'm still curious as to what exactly makes the Amanti the best value in its class?
magazine and don't bookmark them on my browser. Why would I want to? I'll just bet that several readers of this thread alone would be able to recall Clodsumer Retorts installing bogus, old pictures for new car reviews. To me, that shows that they don't respect or care enough about the car they're reviewing nor the reading audience to include a new photo. Crappy, stupid journalism, to say the least. They need to stick to reviewing candy bars and dishwashers. Nuff said.
As to value in the Kia Amanti package. The amount of safety equipment, including ABS and electronic stability control, the quiet ride including much sound proofing material, the luxurious interior build materials, ample powertrain and large appointment of airbags built in as standard equipment would me just for starters as kudos for this new luxury car from Kia. Price? Come on now! Anything under $25,000 for this car is an obvious bargain for the amount of engineering built into it. The car seeps value and intelligent engineering. I am a person that has recognized these things about Kia for quite some time now. My 1999 Kia Sephia began teaching me about Korean car engineering and now Kia is on a large roll along with big brother Hyundai up into the top 5 of worldwide automakers. They're well on their way there. Clodsumer Retorts may tell you a lot about a new Maytag or a chocolatey-delicious candy bar. As far as telling me about cars, though, I might as well be talking to Dennis Rodman. Humm, all of a sudden a large Escalade enters into my mind.
Well, I personally have been reading CR since 88. I cant think of any of the photo mistakes that youre talking about but I do remember the Car and Driver one. And you dont see me talking about what a horrid excuse of a publication it is. My point is simply that.. maybe you're just a bit jaded.
Electronic stability control is not standard. ABS is a common feature on vehicles under $25,000, so no points there either. HOWEVER, Kia definitely deserves credit for standard side impact inflatable restrait system on this car. The car "seeps value and intelligent engineering". Um, what? When I think intelligent engineering, I think a strong power/efficiency tradeoff. Not present on this car. When I think value, I think a lot for the money, and yet, a Five Hundred SEL with AWD and side curtains, leather, etc. costs the same, while offering better acceleration, and fuel economy. Theres also the issue of resale. On the credit side, Kia's long haul warranty is nice.
But overall, I think the magazines have pegged the Amanti for what it is... a good car competing against better ones.
Well...what can I say. If you have a group of owners praising and defending their automobile - the people who live and breath their car daily, I would believe them. We chose our car because it fits our driving desires. This car is quiet, powerful, elegant and for me a joy to sit behind the steering wheel and drive everyday. I've owned BMW's, VWs, Fords, Toyotas, Nissan and more. None were superior. We like our car and will defend it. Is that okay?
If you want to believe the other cars are better ones, stay away from this one and chose what appeals to you the most. As my dad used to say, "It's a free country!"
Kia continues to fight this "black mark of uninformed American journalism blight" that is just nonsense. I saw so much potential in my '99 Kia Sephia that it caused me to study this South Korean carmaker more intensely. These people have won me over because of their value package and good build quality overall. The South Korean kids are the brightest in the world on their test scores. It's true. They make for an excellent crop of engineering workers. Hyundai and Kia offer the best warranty in the business, too, but that's not the only reason for liking them.
My only intent is to point out that simply because publications pan certain aspects of the Amanti (and praise others as well... which seems to get ignored), does not necessarily mean there is a bias against Kia or Korean vehicles.
And of course its ok to defend your car! Whats not ok is to toss out objectivity. From the posts on this forum, one would think that the vehicle is completely without fault, and the best thing since opposable thumbs. That simply isnt the case.
"Its funny though, cause when the better Korean entries get their share of kudos (cars such as the Elantra) from Car and Driver and Consumer Reports.... nobody says a word about how biased these publications are"
This is true for all makes and models in edmunds not just korean brand supporters.
Hi: We got great response to the artical written about the Amanti. I was hoping for some response to the problem about the heat in the console has anyone had this problem. With our new cars since its the first year on the road anyone with some information about the car will be very helpful to all of us. Please post anything about the heat in the console. Thank you and Happy Holidays and as far as the artical in CR its crazy I LOVE MY AMANTI IT IS GREAT. Buff
Hello, does anyone know if the Amanti has a tire-pressure monitoring system? I'm assuming not since i can't find it in the owners manual but i thought i heard it did from someone.
As far as the heat in the console idea, I haven't noticed any issues there. I'll keep a closer eye on it though.
Buff, I think your heating in the bottom center console is because it is close to the back seat heater. If you have the heater as hot as it can get, then the bottom console bucket will also get hot. But I doubt that is a problem. Turn the heater lever up or turn off the button on dash except when it's cold and you have passengers in the back. I will say that I'm bringing my Amanti in tomorrow because of scratched up window tint on all 4 windows. I only have 630 miles and baby my Amanti, keep it shining in the garage. I think they have made the doors and windows so tight; thus the quiet ride, but it's scraching the film. They will probably put better film on for me. Anyone else notice scratching on your windows?
You said: "its ok to defend your car! Whats not ok is to toss out objectivity."
I said once before that I am more interested in "consumers" reports than I am in a magazine article (which, by the way, may or may NOT be "objective"). You obviously are not a "consumer" (as pertains to this discussion) and your opinion is irrelevant. I want to hear from other Amanti owners. If your comments are objective, I'll toss them out whether it's OK or not.... For me, this a great car. Maybe you'd rather buy a Ford. That's OK too.
I've been reading these posts as part of the research I did before finally deciding to replace my 03 Nissan Maxima with an 05 Amanti. The Canadian specs are somewhat different from the US cars: there's only one version sold here, with no options at all. Everything's standard equipment, including all the options on the US model (except Homelink for some reason) and also including several items not available in the US, like electro-luminescent instrument panel, HID headlights, woodgrain steering wheel, heated seats front and rear and a couple of little things.
I priced the Amanti out against a loaded Camry and it was cheaper, with more equipment by far; against a new Maxima and it was cheaper by $4000; against a loaded Avalon and it was $9000 less money. It cost less than a Honda Accord Hybrid and came in just $2000 more than a loaded Accord or Altima but with so much more equipment that there's simply no comparison.
I test drove 4 different 04 models over a many months, read everything written on the car, and finally decided to take the plunge and for $1000 more I got the first 05 sold here. I picked it up on Monday evening and have driven it every day since then and love it.
This car has an amazing ride and is silent inside. It has acres of room, very nice fit and finish, a nice tight turning circle (especially in comparison to the barge-like Maxima), and there's absolutely nothing I dislike. I don't find the ride at all boatlike and couldn't believe what Consumer Reports wrote about the car. I've not been able to make my tires squeal and I don't think it leans any more in turns than many other cars I've been in. The other day, as I was driving out of a parkade I noticed the attendant admiring the car so I asked what kind of car he thought it was. He said, "It's a Bentley, and I know cars!" I laughed and told him he'd be most surprised if he had a look at the trunk lid and then I heard him exclaim, "A Kia! I never knew they made one this size. It sure looks like a Bentley." While I don't think it does, it was interesting that he was the second person that day to say that to me.
I'll post an update on how the car does in service over time but certainly at the moment I think I've bought the perfect car for me. It costs less than anything remotely comparable and feels and looks like something that costs many thousands more. And that ride....
I forgot to mention the changes for 2005. In Canada the price went up by $1000 to a list of $36,995 all in but that includes an in dash 6-CD changer as standard for the first time as well as heated rear seats. The only difference in external appearance that I can see between mine and the 2004s is that the little fake carbon fibre trim piece at the back of the rear door window is now matte black instead of shiny faux carbon fibre. Inside the vehicle, the cupholder in the rear armrest is now the same colour as the upholstery (in my case it's grey) instead of the previous black. I think this looks better than the black but still think it should have been the same woodgrain as on the console, just to dress it up a bit. In Europe and Korea this insert is in matching woodgrain and I'm trying to find a way of ordering one for my car. Oh, and inside the rear glove box on Canadian models there are two switches for the heated rear seats. The other modification is one that I don't like but it's hard to see so I'll live with it. On the front centre armrest/glove box in the 04 models, there's a little extra piece of woodgrain trim on the middle piece with the release buttons in it; on the 05 that's been replaced by a piece of plastic that matches the interior colour. I'd rather have had the woodgrain but you can't see it when you're in the car so I'll forget about it. We also get improved automatic wipers for 05 and a 6-CD in-dash changer that was available on US models last year. That's it for the changes in the 2005s as far as I can tell and from the dealer's salesman's book. Of course, it's possible that the US specs will be different. For example, HID lights might be offered or the wood and leather steering wheel could become available.
MagMax's post above if you want a great example of the great job Kia is doing now. Consumer Reports has some kind of dig constantly against Kia Motors so I don't even lift it off the magazine racks to read it. Nuff said, Sam Elliott.
If anyone questions the value packed into this car in any way, read the post above. Kia motor vehicles are built well, last well, look great and have that fantastic Long-Haul Warranty, the very best in the business. The whole package just adds up to making great automotive business sense, eh?
Oh, I almost forgot. When you factor in the low initial pricing it makes for a Beltre home run.
I had what looked like a cup of oil on the garage floor after I pulled out today. The oil level was still full and I had no warning lights so I drove to the KIA dealership. A couple hours later they called and said the oil filter was leaking. I have 5400 miles and my only oil change done at Big O Tires used an after market oil filter. The service department manager said the KIA oil filter has a slightly different fitting than the after market ones. He said the V-6 puts out alot of pressure and the after market filters not sitting right comes loose. Does this sound right?
Hi baseballbernie: I am really not sure about this someone with more knowledge on the board could help I am sure. I thank you for your post and keeping us informed about the Amanti since its the first year any information or problem we share on this board will help us all out in mataining our cars. Happy Holidays Buff
I've now had my new Amanti for more than 10 days and have put about 500 km (300 miles) on the clock. Most of that is city driving although I've had it out on the highway a couple of times for short drives.
I have to say that I'm liking the car more and more every day. People keep asking me what it is and when they see the interior they can't believe it's a Kia. I can't get over the silent, smooth ride on our city's broken streets. It's as if all the streets have been freshly paved. There's really plenty of power on take off and I see no reason for needing more power unless I was towing a trailer in the mountains maybe, but I don't do that.
As for gripes, I've got two. First of all, the check engine light came on two days ago and it's now been reset 4 times by the dealer but it comes back on after only a few minutes of driving. They told me that they didn't know what was causing it since each time it went onto the electronic diagnostic computer it showed a different sensor at fault. They've told me to just keep driving it and ignore the warning light until they come up with a fix. I hope this isn't the beginning of unreliability. Has anyone else experienced this problem?
My second gripe has to do with the driver's seat. I've developed a nasty pain in the right leg and am sure it's from a badly adjusted seat. So I'm now trying all sorts of different positions to see if I can make the pain go away. I find the seats a little too narrow at the front, so that my leg sits on the raised bolster and I suspect that presses on the sciatic nerve. I may have to have some of the padding removed from the right side of the seat but before I go to that length I'll try altering the seating angle again and again. Eventually I should be able to get it right considering it has 8 way adjustment along with power lumbar support.
My car is the pearl white with grey interior and I must say I love that colour combination. The paint work seems to be especially lustrous. Again, passers by have commented on the car and its colour and everyone has an opinion on the grille with most people thinking it's attractive.
I find the steering to be perfect around town and now that I'm used to the side mirrors that turn down to show me the curb when I reverse I don't know how I managed without them all these years. I haven't used the heated seats yet. And so far I've had no problems with anything else other than the check engine light.
I'll do an update in a few weeks. In the meantime I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone who might have had some experience with the check engine light staying on. Yes, I know about clicking the gas cap, although mine sounds more like creaking than clicking.
Hi Maxmag; We must have to same taste I also got the pearl white I love it. As far as the engine light no I have not had any problems. I also noticed the first week or so when I got my car I also experienced siatic nerve problem. Of course I had this problem way before I purchased the car. It did go away in a week or so. I am so thankful that we can go to this forum to see what problems we are having with our cars to share our concerns. Enjoy your new baby and every mile with a smile. Buff
keep adjusting and you'll find a position that works for you. That sounds very fixable. Also, about the check engine light, keep on driving and see if it just cycles off. When a fix has been made or doesn't need to be made you just need to let it work it's way on out and click off on it's own. That's if you don't really have a problem...I don't know that for sure but their advice is good for now on the CEL.
Also, now would seem to be the time to try your heated seats, eh?
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electrical outet? just a thought but the keys may have contacted the outlet.
On a trip to LA from Phoenix I also noticed a lot of heat coming from the console. I had the rear heater turned on. The passengers in the back seat had blocked the vent, so I did not think too much about it and just turned off the heater using the switch in the dash. I will check this out again by putting in a oven thermometer in the large part of the console and see what it does after a few hours driving with a clear vent.
CR has rated the Hyundai Sonata, Elantra, and Santa Fe very favorably when it tested those models, and the redesigned Spectra had a good but not great review. Those strike me as Korean cars. And they we'rent "zapped".
You also confuse the performance in CR's test with reliability- CR NEVER RECOMMENDED the Focus until its reliability picked up after 4 years on the market. Reliability is not tied to the model's test scores, simply the 'RECOMMENDED' rating.
Finally, CR did NOT state that the Amanti was "the worst car we've recently tested", what they said was "With reluctant handling and a lack of agility, the Amanti is the worst-handling passenger car we've recently tested". Interesting how you omitted the adverbial phrase, and obviously, CR's statement differs significantly from the one you claim they made.
Maybe CR just called the Amanti's performance what it was.
~alpha
KIA, it seems to me, has an uphill battle with most of the car magazines. This CR report is really an afterthought anyway, as the Ford & Chrysler get a two page report -we got one. The poor visibility alone should carry a lot of weight against the Chrysler 300.
For me, I want a car that is pretty much what the Amanti is. A soft, quiet pillow like ride for not a lot of money. I can out perform most other cars on the road, and do so everyday. No, it's not the fastest and it's mileage is not good. Big deal.
Does anyone feel like their Amanti is "cresting waves"? Did I get one of the good ones??! 'Cause mine doesn't do that!
I know...I'm kinda sensitive about this. But, if this car had a Honda or Toyota badge I think it might have been a little more well received.
That's of course just my opinion, but I anticipated this from CR.
Thanks all for your time and letting me vent a little, -Pete FL
Has somebody hear something about AMANTI 2005 ....?
Bye...
Also- the Five Hundred and 300 got two pages each because two models of each was tested. If Kia offered an Amanti with different powertrains or drive wheels, I feel confident CR would have tested it.
I dont think a Honda or Toyota badge would have changed anything- when those makes have put out subpar offerings, its reference. The Element isnt very highly rated, and the last generation Toyota Tacoma was largely unloved by CR.
Its not that I dont like the Amanti. It seems like a good car. I just feel it competes against better ones. And I value objectivity.
~alpha
I have driven long distances, and arrived fresh and not fatigued-something I cannot say for many other cars I've owned.
CR loves safety stuff. Why not highlight the front AND rear side curtain airbags that are not available or optional on the others?
By the way, do you own one?
-Pete
I'm just concerned that, with enough misinformation out there, the perceived value will go down of an otherwise deserving car. Someday (not soon) I might want to sell my Amanti and hope the resale value will be fair. Of course that was part of the gamble of buying a KIA, not known (yet) for luxury cars. I hope that will change though as it has for Hyundai's quality issues! And as you mentioned, the value is very high IMHO!
-Pete
I'm curious as to your comment on "misinformation". The CR review paralleled very closely to the Car and Driver review. And heck, why no uproar over Motor Trend, which said "At the level of the Japanese... of 10 years ago" (paraphrased, but it was indeed very similar to that).
Again, I'm not stating that the Amanti is bad car. It just seems that there are better ones out there. And I wouldnt have said anything in the first place, if people partially blinded by ownership bias didnt decide to completely dismiss the CR reivew as unobjective.
~alpha
Since you don't have any experience driving an Amanti, you might believe CR in that Amanti's "excessive motions" ride as if it "crests waves" like a boat I suppose. I don't.
Which is exactly my point. You're buying their opinion that other makes are better and perhaps being misinformed in that sense.
Nothing personal of course, as I do appreciate and respect your comments. I hope you can understand though where I'm coming from.
-Pete
Bill - Orlando
Also, the comment I made about the back seats was in comparing our car to other high end cars. Their back seats also don't go down. In other words the Amanti seats don't go down. Sorry if that came across incorrectly.
-Pete
LIKED :
1) EXTREMELY quiet interior. This must be one of the quietest cars in the world. A Car and Driver test stated 63dbA at 70 MPH. That's quieter than a Lexus LS 430, and I drove that car too, and the Kia Seemed quieter (especially less tire thump).
2) Nicely appointed interior. Appearance is subjective, but the interior is beautiful. Aesthetically, it's VERY pleasing. The interior of the Amanti is a very peaceful place to be. Interior room was very good.
3) Exterior Appearance. Subjective, but very nice and unique.
4) Safety features. The Front / Side(EVEN FOR REAR SEAT) and Curtain airbags are really great to have in such a reasonably priced car. Also, structual integrity seemed good, and other Kias have perfomed well in crash tests. This car felt VERY SUBSTANTIAL.
5) Other. Acceleration - the car felt powerful. Ride - The ride was very smooth and EXTREMELY quiet. Seat Comfort was very, very good. The ergonomics on the car were very good.
DISLIKED :
1) SOUND SYSTEM - I think the rental car I was driving had the Infinity system, (I think it was the upgraded system, but I'm not sure). It just didn't sound that great to me.
2) NO VERTICAL ADJUSTMENT FOR PASSENGER SEAT. It would have been nice if the passenger seat adjusted vertically. Kia should consider making that an option.
Other comments :
Gas mileage seemed OK. According the the computer, the car I was driving would average around 23 MPG during 30-50 MPH driving. The car did bob/float a little during certain situations ( like when you reverse out of the driveway quickly then stop the car,change into drive, and taking off quickly) but it wasn't a problem. There is no key hole in the passenger door, so you have to use the remote key fob to get in on that side - which is fine, it's just I wasn't used to that. The claim by Consumer Reports that it feels like it is cresting waves is a dramatic exaggeration. The climate control system was quiet, and seemed powerful although the weather during the 2 1/2 days I drove the car was generally mild. Visibility was good, the rear had a small blind spot. The brakes seemed fine. The transmission shifted VERY smoothly. On two separate occasion when I was getting out of the car in a parking lot, people passing by who I didn't know, said, "Wow that's a beautiful car." I didn't like the way they cover virtually every component under the hood with plastic casings, it makes it a pain-in-the -neck to service. I hope the long term reliability is good, that would be my only concern, of course the excellent warrantly at least helps to ensure it won't cost much. Anyway, I thought this was a really nice car to live with, and felt that it compares VERY favorably with other cars. It's ashame that some of the testing magazines seem to be unfairly biased against this car, either because it is a Kia or becuase of its softer than normal ride. All in all, I think this is a VERY VERY good car. If it proves to be reliable, it will be a GREAT car.
I do think all those plastic panels around the engine, are to keep it a little quieter. Also, thanks for reminding us about the generous warranty.
-Pete
-Pete
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It's also biased in favor of European and Japanese vehicles, against "gas guzzlers," in favor of stiff/firm riding vehicles, against customer choice of options it considers "safety" features, and on and on. If people want SUVs, Hummers, big pickups or anything else, it's none of Consumer Reports' business, but, like other special interest groups, it would prefer to ram its preferences down my throat. Once you realize where it is coming from, you can decide how much of its "objective reporting" to believe.
To the credit of the online reporting team at Edmunds, all of the reviews I've read of theirs regarding cars I'm interested in include an up-to-date-photo of said car. That sheds a lot of light on the slant-angle and objectivity of the reporting, eh?
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More than any other discussion thread at edmunds.com, this group seems least able to take any criticism of their vehicle. Surely, the editors and expertise of Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and Consumer Reports must all be completely missing the boat with respect to the Amanti.
Its funny though, cause when the better Korean entries get their share of kudos (cars such as the Elantra) from Car and Driver and Consumer Reports.... nobody says a word about how biased these publications are.
iluvmysephia- exactly which issue are you talking about that showed a previous generation model? FWIW, a couple years back, Car and Driver flubbed a Camry comparison test and included more than 5 pictures of a model they didnt test, and never stated the error until several issues later when a reader wrote in about it. Stuff like that happens in publishing, and doesnt happen as often in web based mediums becuase those are super simple to update. Deal.
I'm still curious as to what exactly makes the Amanti the best value in its class?
~alpha
As to value in the Kia Amanti package. The amount of safety equipment, including ABS and electronic stability control, the quiet ride including much sound proofing material, the luxurious interior build materials, ample powertrain and large appointment of airbags built in as standard equipment would me just for starters as kudos for this new luxury car from Kia. Price? Come on now! Anything under $25,000 for this car is an obvious bargain for the amount of engineering built into it. The car seeps value and intelligent engineering. I am a person that has recognized these things about Kia for quite some time now. My 1999 Kia Sephia began teaching me about Korean car engineering and now Kia is on a large roll along with big brother Hyundai up into the top 5 of worldwide automakers. They're well on their way there. Clodsumer Retorts may tell you a lot about a new Maytag or a chocolatey-delicious candy bar. As far as telling me about cars, though, I might as well be talking to Dennis Rodman. Humm, all of a sudden a large Escalade enters into my mind.
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Electronic stability control is not standard. ABS is a common feature on vehicles under $25,000, so no points there either. HOWEVER, Kia definitely deserves credit for standard side impact inflatable restrait system on this car. The car "seeps value and intelligent engineering". Um, what? When I think intelligent engineering, I think a strong power/efficiency tradeoff. Not present on this car. When I think value, I think a lot for the money, and yet, a Five Hundred SEL with AWD and side curtains, leather, etc. costs the same, while offering better acceleration, and fuel economy. Theres also the issue of resale. On the credit side, Kia's long haul warranty is nice.
But overall, I think the magazines have pegged the Amanti for what it is... a good car competing against better ones.
~alpha
If you want to believe the other cars are better ones, stay away from this one and chose what appeals to you the most. As my dad used to say, "It's a free country!"
-Pete
Happy Holidays!
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And thankfully, it is indeed a free country.
My only intent is to point out that simply because publications pan certain aspects of the Amanti (and praise others as well... which seems to get ignored), does not necessarily mean there is a bias against Kia or Korean vehicles.
And of course its ok to defend your car! Whats not ok is to toss out objectivity. From the posts on this forum, one would think that the vehicle is completely without fault, and the best thing since opposable thumbs. That simply isnt the case.
Happy motoring
~alpha
This is true for all makes and models in edmunds not just korean brand supporters.
As far as the heat in the console idea, I haven't noticed any issues there. I'll keep a closer eye on it though.
I said once before that I am more interested in "consumers" reports than I am in a magazine article (which, by the way, may or may NOT be "objective"). You obviously are not a "consumer" (as pertains to this discussion) and your opinion is irrelevant. I want to hear from other Amanti owners. If your comments are objective, I'll toss them out whether it's OK or not.... For me, this a great car. Maybe you'd rather buy a Ford. That's OK too.
I priced the Amanti out against a loaded Camry and it was cheaper, with more equipment by far; against a new Maxima and it was cheaper by $4000; against a loaded Avalon and it was $9000 less money. It cost less than a Honda Accord Hybrid and came in just $2000 more than a loaded Accord or Altima but with so much more equipment that there's simply no comparison.
I test drove 4 different 04 models over a many months, read everything written on the car, and finally decided to take the plunge and for $1000 more I got the first 05 sold here. I picked it up on Monday evening and have driven it every day since then and love it.
This car has an amazing ride and is silent inside. It has acres of room, very nice fit and finish, a nice tight turning circle (especially in comparison to the barge-like Maxima), and there's absolutely nothing I dislike. I don't find the ride at all boatlike and couldn't believe what Consumer Reports wrote about the car. I've not been able to make my tires squeal and I don't think it leans any more in turns than many other cars I've been in. The other day, as I was driving out of a parkade I noticed the attendant admiring the car so I asked what kind of car he thought it was. He said, "It's a Bentley, and I know cars!" I laughed and told him he'd be most surprised if he had a look at the trunk lid and then I heard him exclaim, "A Kia! I never knew they made one this size. It sure looks like a Bentley." While I don't think it does, it was interesting that he was the second person that day to say that to me.
I'll post an update on how the car does in service over time but certainly at the moment I think I've bought the perfect car for me. It costs less than anything remotely comparable and feels and looks like something that costs many thousands more. And that ride....
MagMax
MagMax
If anyone questions the value packed into this car in any way, read the post above. Kia motor vehicles are built well, last well, look great and have that fantastic Long-Haul Warranty, the very best in the business. The whole package just adds up to making great automotive business sense, eh?
Oh, I almost forgot. When you factor in the low initial pricing it makes for a Beltre home run.
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I have to say that I'm liking the car more and more every day. People keep asking me what it is and when they see the interior they can't believe it's a Kia. I can't get over the silent, smooth ride on our city's broken streets. It's as if all the streets have been freshly paved. There's really plenty of power on take off and I see no reason for needing more power unless I was towing a trailer in the mountains maybe, but I don't do that.
As for gripes, I've got two. First of all, the check engine light came on two days ago and it's now been reset 4 times by the dealer but it comes back on after only a few minutes of driving. They told me that they didn't know what was causing it since each time it went onto the electronic diagnostic computer it showed a different sensor at fault. They've told me to just keep driving it and ignore the warning light until they come up with a fix. I hope this isn't the beginning of unreliability. Has anyone else experienced this problem?
My second gripe has to do with the driver's seat. I've developed a nasty pain in the right leg and am sure it's from a badly adjusted seat. So I'm now trying all sorts of different positions to see if I can make the pain go away. I find the seats a little too narrow at the front, so that my leg sits on the raised bolster and I suspect that presses on the sciatic nerve. I may have to have some of the padding removed from the right side of the seat but before I go to that length I'll try altering the seating angle again and again. Eventually I should be able to get it right considering it has 8 way adjustment along with power lumbar support.
My car is the pearl white with grey interior and I must say I love that colour combination. The paint work seems to be especially lustrous. Again, passers by have commented on the car and its colour and everyone has an opinion on the grille with most people thinking it's attractive.
I find the steering to be perfect around town and now that I'm used to the side mirrors that turn down to show me the curb when I reverse I don't know how I managed without them all these years. I haven't used the heated seats yet. And so far I've had no problems with anything else other than the check engine light.
I'll do an update in a few weeks. In the meantime I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone who might have had some experience with the check engine light staying on. Yes, I know about clicking the gas cap, although mine sounds more like creaking than clicking.
MagMax
Thanks.
Also, now would seem to be the time to try your heated seats, eh?
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