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I agree!
I recently filed a lawsuit regarding the vibration issue and other quality related problems such as rattles. Acura stated that the vibration is a " characteristic of the 04 model". Some folks who purchased 05 models have also reported vibration but I’m not sure that it’s the same problem.
Acura did not even attempt to address the rattles in the car or the falling headliner ( which they replaced, or the anti-freeze smell which emitted from the heater for the first 6 months of ownership.
Acura is a real Class act as in class action!
:lemon:
I have an 04 TL. Bought in late August 04, and I now have 14K miles on it. The vibration I experience is from 48-60 mph. It feels like one tire is just slightly out of balance. It really isn't that bad, but when you are spending $35K, you expect better. My dealer rebalanced the tires and it was a shade better, but not perfect.
I guarantee that the first time you really put your foot into the accelerator, the first time you use a Bluetooth phone, the first time you see the interior blue lighting in the nighttime, the first time you turn the volume past 14 with a DVD-Audio disc in the sound system, you will FORGET all about that vibration!
I am absolutely sure a few people here have TL lemons, but remember that this is the "problems and solutions" board. You are going to see problems. Look at some other car model's problem boards too. I am crazy about my TL and I can't wait to drive it each morning. I'm sure a lot of people who post here and on the other TL boards share my sentiments. I hate to say this, but just remember this car is built in America, and I still think our assembly line workers and American parts suppliers are not world-class, even when working with Japanese engineering.
'05 Auto Navi
But I have had the disappearing outside temperature reading issue half a dozen times in my first 4 months of ownership. So it ain't perfect...but it is smooth, quiet, fast, good looking, well built...!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Complained to Dealer/ACS, not resolved 27 ......... 69.23%
Complained but resolved to your satisfaction 9 .......... 23.08%
BBB Arbitration and won refund of $$ or new vehicle 1 ...... 2.56%
BBB Arbitration and lost 2.56%
Hired attorney and won refund of $$ or new vehicle 1 .... 2.56%
Acura’s policy of only dealing with those who complain is cost effective. Not many folks are willing to hire an attorney or go to arbitration. Most people will live with the car for a few years and trade it in
Acura admits that the 04 TL has a harmonic vibration at speeds of 48 to 61 mph. It’s characteristic of the 04 model Acura will tell you this
Many 04 owners have the vibration, but cannot recognize the vibration because of the car’s rough ride and poor tires. The vibration gets mixed in with all the other road noise.
But a discriminating driver, perfectionist, or car buff will take notice . particularly in a brand new car that costs 35K.
If you drive the car on a new road at speeds of 50 to 55 mph and then maintain that speed for a few minutes, you will feel the vibration.
If you drive fast, you will go in and out of the vibration zone so quickly that you will not notice it.
:lemon: When you get your 04...'05 TL AT, slowly accelerate to 50-53mph. Then hold it around that speed. The car should be in 5th gear. Very slowly tip into and out of the throttle like you're trying to maintain around 50-53mph. Tell us if you feel the engine lugging or vibrating
When it get's to 15% (or 10%?) percent , it rounds to the nearest 5% I believe.
Actually, I think the whole trip computer design is very poor also. Why do I have to hit the select button EVERY TIME to see it? I want it to come on the way I left it when I last turned the car off. Why Can't the miles to empty be on the same screen? I don't care how long the car has been running since the last reset.
Thanks, I feel much better now that I got that off my chest.
I am interested in your lawsuit. Is this a personal one or a class action? I am having all sorts of problems with my new 05 TL. Acura "appears unwilling to even acknowledge they have a problem, much less FIX it. I have a whine in my transmission, (PLUS I had a hole in the seat cover - they replaced it but did not do a good job - , and a door rattle, that "hopefully" is now fixed.) Acura replaced the transmission after MUCH complaining, but it still makes the same noise. The "NORMAL CHARACTERISTIC" excuse does NOT cut it, ESPECIALLY when one pays $35 K for a car billed by the manufacturer as a "LUXURY sport sedan". This is anything but "luxury". It appears there are WAY too many problems with the new TL's, for which Acura does not wish to accept responsibility. That is "no way to run a railroad", and I feel we "passengers" are getting a lousy ride! Is there any "class action" interest or information out there?
I purchased my 04 nearly two years ago and have nothing but problems They include:
Poor Tires
· They ruined my Wheels putting on new tires
Defective leather seats
Defective Seat memory unit
Badly designed Transmission (2nd gear and oil pump)
Sagging Headliner which i had to fight to get replaced
Harmonic vibration in drive train ( they have no fix)
Creaks and rattles throughout the cabin
Rattles from glove box (had to buy foam to stop rattles)
Constant lies and deceitful conduct from salesman and service representatives
I first filed a BBB suit, but a lawyer friend advised that the BBB arbitration is owned and sponsored by ACURA. He said the BBB process is a joke on you!
I cancelled the BBB process and went with a private lawyer.
I had documented all my visits to my dealer (12 in 15 months) and retained the services of a very large lemon law lawyer in Philadelphia Pa.
My case will be heard in Dec 05. It takes about 8 months to go to court. I am told that Acura usually settles out of court. But I’m more than willing to blast
the s ---- out of them in court.
They are the ultimate low life in companies . They are nothing more than common thieves
Before recommending that model to anyone, you really ought to go to the Problems and Solutions message board for the G-35. The G-35 has some serious issues also with the coupe and sedan. How about unexplained acceleration? Tranny noise, heavy tire wear, tire pressure monitor problems, etc. It makes me want to hug my '04 TL.
I know you have more than your fair share of problems with your TL. I hope you win in court and I think you deserve to win. No one should have to go through what you have had to face. However, I don't think that your car and a few others on this board are a fair representation of all '04-'05Acura TLs.
They sell almost 90k cars a year on 04 alone and according the polls above, I consider it very very few that has problems. You guys are very lucky. I should've bought the TL in the first place. Dang lucky me.
I really think the blame rests on manufacturing and not on engineering. I also think the "first year curse" still lives, no matter what brand is being built.
I agree...with your assessment!
I 'm sure the 05 and 06 TL will be great cars.
It's just unfortunate that Acura will not address or stand behind the people like me, who were dumb enough to buy an early model TL.
Acura’s attitude is just very poor ...
Has anyone else experienced this problem and what was Acura's solution? I was told the first time that Acura was seeing some of this out in the Western US.
Thanks.
see the links for recalls. www.recall-warnings.com and www.internetautoguide.com.
But I was able to feel a slight vibration at 50-55mph in a demo 05 TL w/o navi. They use different tires for TL w navi and TL w/o navi.
So you have to decide by yourself what you care most in your car. Nobody else can tell you that. I finally went with a TL after all these disclosures by previous owners(, and I sincerely thank all writers in these forums). If you don't mind spend another $10K, I bet you'll be much satisfied. Or consider a better pre-owned cars, such as a GS430 and its peers.
Very well stated, especially about the quality versus value balance. As far as the vibration issue, I think that Acura really doesn't have a fix and the tire balance and other fixes reported here are just "stabs in the dark". I'm not that upset by the vibration, but as I stated before, for $35K I expected better. I also don't like how Acura is handling the situation for a couple of the people who have posted here who have been enduring multiple problems. I like my dealer, but I think Acura corporate needs to deal with this issue in a more straightforward way.
1. Is there any way to have the car default to the audio screen instead of the Navi legal screen at startup?
2. My car pulls to the left when cruising. Anyone else had this problem? I am guessing its just the alignment. But I seem to remember hearing of drifting problems with front wheel drive cars and I was just curious if fixing the alignment will fix this annoying problem.
radiator, hoses and put 4 new thermostats in. When you stop the car the electric fan will continue to run for up to 20 mins. Is this a sensor problem ?? or and electrical problem ??
I,m at my wits end. Thank you for any HELP!!!!!
Have they considered whether there is a problem with the water pump?