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  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    Canada apparently requires DRL, and since HID headlights cannot be run at reduced power, they are not compatible with DRL. Thus, there is no HID Headlight Option in Canada.

    That argument just doesn't make sense. I've had an STS with HIDs and my Lexus RX330 has HIDs. Both have DRLs.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    Actually,

    The way DRLs are implemented on the Lexus line is to run the high beams(non-HID) at half-power by installing a resistor in the circuit. This does not affect the low beam HID lights. The cost is not $300. Probably $10 cost. All other Toyotas including the Corolla have DRLs in the US. If was an apparent oversight in the Prius. The only reasons I can think of for not adding are (1) additional power draw and (2) current wiring harness won't accommodate without redesign.
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    Kinda glad the Prius doesn't have them. DRLs are annoying. I can underatand their use in the northern lattitudes though. Sure glad my car doesn't have 'em. I know lots of folks that disconnect them if their car comes with them.
  • tempusvntempusvn Member Posts: 119
    The Prius only has one headlight bulb. It doesn't have a Non-HID bulb to run at half power. Low Beams are achieved via a Cutoff Mask that limits their upward projection.

    So, does the Lexus have only Non-HID High Beams? Or do they run both the HID and extra bulb when running on High? For a car designed to conserve energy (Prius) I can understand why the wouldn't want to run two bulbs simultaneously.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    Interesting the Prius only has one bulb. Then How is the DRL achieved in Canada??

    Also, iteresting are the studies on wethers or not DRLs are obnoxious or save lives. There are statistics and reports stronging proving both hyptothesis; the true test of "How to Lie with Statistics".

    The Lexus has two bulbs and on "high beam" both the HID and Halogen are on. The HIDs when turned on goes through a self leveling check each time. I wonder how the Pirus accomplishes this and also how the cutoff really allow effective high beams because the dispersion pattern need to be both higher and wider on high beams and it seems that doing that with a single bulb would not provide enough light. Very interesting though! The Acural TL has a simlar HID concept of having both low and high beam HIDs by refocusing, while others like BMW and Mercedes have two separate HID beams; but then again you pay the $$$

    YMMV,

    MidCow

    P.S. I personally like DRLs, but then again I also like standard shift transmissions.
    HID is best; it brightens the night to day. Once you go HID you'll never go back!.
  • tempusvntempusvn Member Posts: 119
    DRL is achieved in Canada via the Halogen Bulb.

    The Prius is available with Halogen OR HID Headlights in the US.

    It is available with ONLY Halogen in Canada, presumably because they are required by law to have DRL.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    Maybe is worth another look ...

    Talked to a very good and reliable friend who is a Toyota Master Mechanic who just got trained and certified on the Prius. Before the training he was not impressed with the Prius , but after the training he is now fully supportive of the Prius.

    One of the items they did in their training was to diassemble and reassemble the Prius CVT Planetary gear CVT transmission. He said it was a very simple design with no solenoids or valves to fail. It took only an hour to fully reassemble; extremely short time!

    However, did anyone realize the Prius has a fail-safe clutch. It should never fail because it is always engaged. It is a shear point in case there is lockup in the wheels while the engine is running , visa-versa.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that the Toyota CVT transmission is very simple, very strong and will be extremely reliable. When John Farganat said the Prius transmission will never fail, he apparently was right.

    YMMV,

    MidCow
  • wavebreakerwavebreaker Member Posts: 8
    Most luxury vehicles with HID use their fog lamps as DRL's. Same could easily be done with the Prius as fog lamps are standard here. However, Toyota has taken the approach of using halogen lights.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    "I know lots of folks that disconnect them if their car comes with them."

    I think GM came to the rescue. The Chevy Malibu I rented in Hawaii last month had a separate position on the light switch to turn off the DRLs. Very decent little car, and it got 26 MPG mostly around town driving.
  • voidvoicevoidvoice Member Posts: 24
    Anyone from New york city? I like to know what people get their prius here what price they paid.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Member Posts: 1,739
    My Colorado and Trailblazer also have that position.
  • tim_hooligantim_hooligan Member Posts: 143
    As was suggested, I by all means called the dealer on his BS. We argued at length about this fee...mostly because his arguments were circular and very flawed. First, he stated it was because the Prius came from Japan. I countered with the fact that my 4Runner was from Japan and was never paid a PDI. He then argued Toyota charges THEM this fee. I asked why Toyota would charge them for a service THEY perform. counter-intuitive.

    Finally, he fessed up that "customers are paying it, so we're charging it". That's nice. I won't. End of story.

    I find it most fishy that they hide this charge until most customers are signing papers. They realize most people have been waiting months and aren't going to forfeit the car over $690. But greedy hands do get bitten...eventually.

    Looks like I'll just have to find another car. Love free markets.

    -hooligan
  • meb330imeb330i Member Posts: 3
    I've just gone over a month on a "Seaside Pearl", i.e. blue, 2004 package 9 Prius. Went on the waiting list in April and picked the car up in early September. MSRP, no garbage fees, although the car came with wheel locks and mats from the processing center (I wanted the mats, really didn't need the locks). All in all, it was a very pleasant buying experience.

    I bought mine from Miller Toyota in Manassas. I had visited Lustine in March and was all but ignored by the sharks outside (actually had a sales guy start talking to me and then walk away without so much as a word). I can't swear that everyone at Miller is easy to work with, but my salesperson was. If you go over there, I'd recommend walking straight in to the counter; they'll page a salesperson.

    Now if only the DMV would hurry up and get me my "clean fuel" plates...
  • stan1stan1 Member Posts: 3
    "I find it most fishy that they hide this charge until most customers are signing papers."

    Just about every car I have bought from a "dealer" this has happened. The buyer is at a distinct disadvantage because the sales staff is trained in "psychological warfare" to extract whatever money is possible from you.

    You can save a lot of money by "talking with your feet".

    Remember...this dealer is not the only one where this car is available. Shop around and let them know that you are doing it.
  • vareddevilvareddevil Member Posts: 2
    I purchase my '04 Prius from Lustine...I was never informed about the $670 that they added on to the price of my car, and didn't notice it until I checked the purchase order against the sticker and there was an unexplained $670 dollars difference. My salesman didn't know what it was, thought the environmental package that I bought was mistakenly included. So I talked to one of the sales managers, he didn't know at first then said it was dealer markup because they can charge that, and I should have known that up front. I said where on the vehicle does it state that?? Anyway to make a long story short, I finally got hold of the General Sales Manager and he told me the same thing, I should have known..I said this is the first time I've ever been to Lustines how would I know you're charging pure profit on your Prii? Bottom line, after a two week battle, I got them to cut me a refund and got the car for MSRP. But this only happened because I was not told up front about the profit and had I not compared the sticker to the purchase order, I never would have noticed the difference. So essentially, they admitted they screwed up by not being up front with me about the additional profit. They asked me if I would have bought the car if I known of the markup. I said probably not, I wasn't in the market for a Prius that particular day, they just happen to have mine at the dealership the day we went there and they don't do a waiting list..."first come, first serve", type thing. Knowing what I know now about the wait that people have had about getting a Prius, I was fortunate to get one on the day we were looking...really fortunate. But I still wouldn't have paid over MSRP. They make enough profit by selling it at MSRP.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    That is the first time I have EVER heard of a dealer refunding money AFTER the sale of a car - count yourself either as a very pesty annoyance or a good negotiator or both, but I can assure you that this type of refund is VERY VERY RARE.....Congrats !!! :)
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "That is the first time I have EVER heard of a dealer refunding money AFTER the sale of a car - count yourself either as a very pesty annoyance or a good negotiator or both, but I can assure you that this type of refund is VERY VERY RARE.....Congrats !!! :)"

    I'm not so sure. I saw a news report in which a Toyota spokesman said that they forbid their dealers from marking up the cars past MSRP. I suspect that the dealers risk their franchise if they are discovered going above MSRP, and this dealer didn't want to risk the facts getting out.

    I anyone out there is being charged excess above MSRP (as a straight mark up, not disguised as a fee), tell Toyota corporate!
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Actually getting any car dealer to refund money after the sale is amazing, regardless of the car or the company or the popularity of said car. They are notorious for being greedy and uncooperative.

    Toyota HAS actually discouraged dealers from overcharging past MRP, but I'm not sure what sort of enforcement they have in that regard....
  • bobbrown1bobbrown1 Member Posts: 22
    Another important consideration when modifying a car to add DRL is whether the insurance companies will recognize it as "factory installed" and grant the premium discount.
  • devsiennadevsienna Member Posts: 70
    I'm joining the Prius nation. Just "ordered" a 2005 Prius in Seaside Pearl with Package #6 (DVD NAV, 6-disc changer, bluetooth along with every other option). Dealer is estimating 4 to 6 months to get the car. All it took was a refundable $500 deposit to get my name on the list of people wanting to buy. Another dealer that I went to last week wanted a $1000 deposit, which I thought was a bit excessive.

    Is the factory actually doing build-to-order cars now? The salesman seemed to think so, but that doesn't seem to jibe with what I've been told about the way that Toyota builds and ships their cars. He also said that it used to be that 50% of the Prius' that were sold in the US went to rental car companies, but now 100% of the cars that come here will be sold directly to consumers. My BS detector lit up on both of those statements. He may have been saying it to a) explain why it will take a while to get the car of my choice, and b) why supplies have been tight.

    For those in the Bay Area of California, I ordered my Prius from Melody Toyota in San Bruno. We've dealt with them before (bought a 2004 Sienna XLE Limited back in March) and found them pleasant to work with for the most part. And friends of ours recently got a Prius from them and seemed happy with their treatment. The proof, of course, will be when I actually go to pick the car up.
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    Interesting article

    http://www.abetterearth.org/subcategory.php?id=211
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Halogen bulbs operated at low voltages for DRL use (RX300,330, etc.) tend to fail prematurely due to lack of gas regeneration "fire-off". The interior of the bulbs soot over fairly quickly and after that the glass encapsulation begins to melt.

    The europeans, Porsche, etc, use a specially designed 5 watt halogen bulb running at full voltage and mounted within the headlamp assembly such that it gives the same forward "coverage" as the high beams.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    From Little Apple Toyota in Manhattan, KS. They are asking MSRP, origninally said I'd have it in March, but with the production increase from Toyota, it may well be a bit earlier. Hope so. I had called around (I live in Kansas City) to dealers in Western Kansas, figuring the Prius wouldn't be a popular item in a primarily farming area. I know of one KC area dealer charging MSRP, but the wait list was about a year. One of the dealers I called was in Hays, Kansas. Got to work this morning and there was a message on my voice mail that said they had an 05 Prius on the lot and wanted to know if I was interested. I called them back...it's Red with Ivory interior and option pacakge 9. So I looked at the Toyota website and said "so it's about $26,000". Then he said they were now charging $5,000 over MSRP "because that's what they are asking on the internet". I ain't buying on the internet, so I'm content to wait. But...if any Californians want an 05, look up Toyota dealers in Hays Kansas. I don't think he'll sell it to a local...I didn't even have a deposit in on one and they called me. If you're willing to pay $5k over sticker, have at it. FWIW, Hays is about 5 hours east of Denver.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    it's Red with Ivory interior and option pacakge 9.

    Sounds like a scam, I thought the 2005 topped out at option 6. The Prius is over priced at MSRP..
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    The Prius with Package # 9 to the contrary is quite a bargain at 26k. Maybe that's why it's so popular. The Prius at 5k OVER MSRP is not worth it. I can't think of another car in the Prius price range that has that level of equipment and fuel economy. For a few k more I'd get the HAH.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I thought the 2005 topped out with option # 6. In San Diego the option # 6 has a MSRP price of $26,455 and a TMV of $28,455. It is probably a fair price at MSRP.
  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    The Prius with Package # 9 to the contrary is quite a bargain at 26k. Maybe that's why it's so popular.

    A 2005 Prius with package #9 would be quite a bargain at 36k since it would be the only one in existence. Plus how do you call a vehicle that has sold zero units popular?

    There is no 2005 Prius with package #9, at ANY price.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    Just relaying what the dealer told me on the option package 9. Besides, when I look at the toyota website, it's package A,B,and C.

    I'm just amazed that a dealer in rural Kansas would be bumping up the price, when dealers 5 hours east of them in KC are selling for MSRP. I don't know how big of a demand there is for a Prius in a farming community...I didn't think they carried that much hay...but this dealer struck me as sleazy from the start (part of why I didn't order thru them)...they wanted a $1,000 deposit while other dealers I checked, including metro Kansas City, only asked $500. And other dealers (including metro KC) aren't bumping up the price. I really like the Prius, but if the manufacturer says it's worth "X" dollars, then I won't pay more for one.
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    Package 6= package 9 for 2005. Most folks already know that. For 2005 a few packages were deleted. I believe 9=6= still BC. Quite a bargain.
  • tfilibertitfiliberti Member Posts: 21
    Got my Prius finally in Sept after 10 month wait.
    I noticed on window sticker from Toyota following add-on's
    floor mats 184.00
    rear bumper applique 65.00
    cargo net 49.00
    wheel locks 59.00

    these were originally printed on window sticker right from factory. I wonder if the dealer orders their cars this way from Toyota? they are usually dealer add-ons I thought ?
    I got ripped off in other ways with trade -in, etc but I like the car. Took a while to figure the navigation out , 2 days to find out my area was set to wrong area in US !! lol
  • kornklankornklan Member Posts: 29
    If you go to Toyota's web site you can get all the new packages.
    There are only 6 packages for the 2005 starting with "GY" which was the old pkg.3 without the rear window wiper which is now standard. Package #6 is the old pkg. #9 which includes everything. It has an MSRP of $5,065.00
  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    The options you listed are PORT installed, not dealer. Toyota, and a lot of Japanese Manufacturers, do it that way. The car "ordered" with these options originally, that is why they are on the sticker. That is also why when you are looking for a Toyota and find one you like, even if it hasn't been built yet, you cannot take this off the order. You have to find a similar one without them.
  • tfilibertitfiliberti Member Posts: 21
    So it was MY dealer that ordered them cause I didn't unless they see option 9 and decide to toss in a few more extra's ?
  • devsiennadevsienna Member Posts: 70
    I seem to recall that Toyota takes a rather dim view of it's dealers charging more than MSRP for the car. and a 20% markup seems really excessive.

    I could *maybe* see *some* markup for frivolous stuff like undercoating/fabric protection/etc and other high-profit services, but 5 grand worth? And the "That's what the Internet charges" argument is bogus as well. Yer a dealer, yer not supposed to be selling new-cars on E-bay for more than MSRP. That's just plain dishonest to me. Sure, yer entitled to make a profit, but to put a high-demand car up on E-bay and try to sell it like you are a private owner is just plain wrong. I guess this is the price we pay for a free market. I'm just sorry for the folks who don't think to do some research ahead of time and find out that they got taken. The phrase Buyer Beware comes to mind in these cases.

    Dunno if it's worth reporting this dealer to Toyota, but might be worth it so the next person who goes to that dealer doesn't get taken...
  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    Actually no. The car is ordered by which ever regional group is in your area (In my area it is the Southeastern Toyota Dealer Group.). The dealers, with the Prius, pretty much just get what they are given. With the other cars, they look on a regional website and see what is coming in, if they want it or have a buyer for it, they can earmark it for delivery to their dealership.
  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    I don't think it's wrong or dishonest at all. Just as it wouldn't be wrong for someone to buy a Prius at MRSP and then put it up for sale for $5k higher. It's the purchasers fault that this is happening. If we would just calm down and think logically and rationally, it makes no sense to pay MORE than a car is worth for ANY car. It's because these crazy people who have no sense of finance are willing to overpay for things, most presumably on credit, that the Prius has been lifted to this height of utter craziness.

    Calm down people. It's a car. If no one will pay more than MSRP for the Prius, then everyone will start selling them for whatever they will sell for.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    mfullmer,

    I agree with you about the pricing. It is a pure matter of economics: supply and demand. If Toyota can sell cars for more than MSRP and people are willing to buy a car at higher than MSRP then so be it. No one is forcing them to buy.

    And the Naivete of some threaders, that they can tattle to "big Toyota Corporate in the sky" and they will slap the hand of the dealer is say "N0-NO" is so ridiculious. Wake up folks we aren't in day-care or kindergarten anymore, this is the real-world of Business and the goal is to make money!!! I don't see anyone complaining when Toyota dealers offer thousands off MSRP and 0% financing on the slow selling SUV gas hogs such as the Sequoia and 4-Runner.

    YMMV,

    MidCow
  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    EXCELLENT point Midcow.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    I agree that it's a good point, but here's another perspective just for the sake of discussion:

    From a Toyota website:

    Are dealers charging a premium over MSRP for the Prius?
    Reports of significant markups over MSRP are isolated and not typical. Although the Prius is in high demand, and some buyers are willing to offer more to get faster delivery, our dealers have been respectful of their customers. The MSRP for the Prius runs from the low $20,000s to about $26,000. Our information indicates that the average transaction price for a Prius is about $24,000. In a survey on Yahoo, 7 percent of the owners reported paying more than MSRP and 68 percent paid no more than MSRP. Additionally, only 2 percent of the customers calling Toyota regarding the Prius reported complained about dealer mark ups of the car.

    So although Toyota might not "slap the hand" of the dealers, I can assure you they think it is bad business to charge more than MSRP, and all other car makers feel that way too. This quote actually states that Toyota thinks charging more than MSRP "disrespects" the customer. Remember also that Toyota corporate gets ZERO of that overcharge - the dealer pays the same amount for the car either way.

    The car maker, not the dealers, are the ones who set MSRP by definition, so any dealer charging more is like a clerk at the grocery store telling you "I know the price marked on that gallon of milk is $2.99, but because demand is high today I'm going to charge you $5.99 instead."

    The milk maker might not want to slap the hand of the clerk, but I can assure you that SOME of the buyers of that milk will come away with a bad taste in their mouth (no pun intended) about that store and that milk manufacturer - which in the car business, which relies on service and repeat customers to make tons of money, is a Big No-No....

    It might be a VERY SMALL number, but I'd bet at least SOME of the Prius shoppers who were hit with higher than MSRP numbers in an attempt to buy a Prius went to another car maker (Honda probably) to shop. Toyota corporate DOES NOT WANT THAT obviously.

    So, is it a MAJOR CRIME to charge higher than MSRP numbers? No, but I can assure you that there are some people at Toyota who have perfectly good reasons to NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Member Posts: 159
    more people should complain...
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Seems like more people WOULD complain if it was more widespread. Maybe it *was* pretty isolated.

    Even though the Prius demographic is those making over $100,000, indicating good performers who are smart and well educated, EVERYBODY likes getting a good deal and everybody DISLIKES getting jobbed.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It might be a VERY SMALL number, but I'd bet at least SOME of the Prius shoppers who were hit with higher than MSRP numbers in an attempt to buy a Prius went to another car maker (Honda probably) to shop.

    I just pulled up the TMV for various dealers from San Diego to Rochester, NY and a 2005 Prius package # 6 is selling at $28,466. That is $2011 over MSRP. Does that mean it is condoned by Toyota? Or is Edmund's TMV less than accurate?

    I'm with those that refuse to buy any car above MSRP. It may seem fine now. Wait till you go to sell or trade. That premium you paid went out the door before the ink dried on the contract.
  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    What people forget when they relate car prices to say, a gallon of milk, is that a store SETS a price and marks it for the gallon of milk - this is what the store agrees to sell the gallon of milk for. The manufacturer sets a SUGGESTED (hence the "S" in MSRP) price for a vehicle and dealers usually have no set price. Regardless of what you hear or see about Toyota Corporate, they couldn't care less what the dealers sell cars for as they have not given them a price they need to sell it for, the have only SUGGESTED a retail price.

    The fact still remains, you don't hear anyone saying "Why doesn't Toyota Corp. do something about these dealers selling Camrys and Corollas for thousands under MSRP? They should be mad!"

    Why don't people comprehend the meaning of the word "SUGGESTED"?

    Worse yet, why do people pay more than MSRP and then complain about it. I don't get it.
  • mfullmermfullmer Member Posts: 773
    Complain to whom? About what? What is it that people don't understand about the word "SUGGESTED"? No one has set a minimum or maximum price for the car, including the Manufacturer. If you want such a thing, go buy a Saturn.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Worse yet, why do people pay more than MSRP and then complain about it. I don't get it.

    Actually I see more complaints about added charges that are not on the window sticker yet show up on the contract.

    Of the 20 some odd new vehicles I have bought in my life I have never paid MSRP or above. To me retail is the highest price you should pay for anything. Wholesale is the least you should expect to pay. Somewhere in the middle is the negotiated price. Being a free market society if some one is a fool and is willing to pay more than retail, that's what Freedom is all about. IT is money down the toilet.

    I have tracked on eBay, 19 Toyota 2004 Prius over the last 9 weeks. Only two sold, the rest did not get minimum bids or recieved no bids at all. They were all on Toyota dealers lots. The two that sold were package # 9s, one went for $27,500 the other for $28,739. That is right in the $28,466 TMV shown on eBay.

    My point is they are sitting on dealers lots all over the country waiting for a sucker willing to pay over MSRP. Only one of the 19 was pulled early from the eBay listing to be sold locally.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    For those that think the resale will be great. Here is a 2002 Prius in perfect condition that you can buy it now for $13,900. That is below Edmund's trade-in value. It is $4,600 under dealer retail. I think like CA real estate the Prius bubble has POPPED!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&cate- gory=43925&item=2493677396&rd=1
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    One low priced used Prius and "the Prius bubble has POPPED!"? Note this 2002 car has high mileage--59,000, meaning the powertrain warranty expires soon. According to the ad, it is about $1000 under "retail value" ($14,915).
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    quote by gagrice-"I think like CA real estate the Prius bubble has POPPED!"-end quote

    Some people....:)

    Read my lips: Just because one car is for sale on Ebay (a terrible way to buy or sell a car by the way) below average resale does NOT indicate anything at all about resale values of Prius cars overall. There is a resale value thread right here:

    Sylvia "Hybrid resale values - will they hold?" Sep 14, 2004 9:39pm

    And I can assure you that Gen 1 Priuses are definitely holding their value as well as any other 2002 car in it's class and better than most.

    Let's take this to the resale thread and I can prove my point AGAIN like I already proved this specific point a couple of weeks ago....
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    One low priced used Prius and "the Prius bubble has POPPED!"? Note this 2002 car has high mileage--59,000, meaning the powertrain warranty expires soon. According to the ad, it is about $1000 under "retail value" ($14,915).

    That dealer is willing to sell for $1000 under book value. That book value takes into account the 59k miles and no warranty. Edmund's book shows $14k trade-in value and $18k dealer retail. I will watch to see if it sells.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    And I can assure you that Gen 1 Priuses are definitely holding their value as well as any other 2002 car in it's class and better than most.

    You did not show any substantiating proof to your high resale claims. You showed ASKING prices. Of course we went through this a few weeks ago and the prices are falling even faster now. If anyone is fool enough to pay over MSRP it is not because they were not warned.

    Show me the facts on SOLD used Prius, not asking prices. Oh and on the Bonneville article they did not sell 100,000 Prius the first year.
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