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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150
Which one will you drive? Why?
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So, for the time being, Ford offers more to those who would use their truck as a "work vehicle."
Bob
also, the utility setup of the titan's bed allows for the bed extender, which extends the bed in the king cab to 8'6"...minus the rounded corners, though.
one difference also, is that the truck you describe has an MSRP of $28410, equipped like a titan king cab XE 2WD.
if you equip the titan with the utilitrak bed system, you actually get an 8' usable bed for about $2500 less.
i have been in MANY discussions about my product, and other products, simply for informational purposes. if you were familiar with me, you would know that as well.
also, a discussion of ALL trucks under one title would be just about unmanageable by the hosts.
about your product? Do you make these trucks?
What kind of extender are you talking about?
we have both a nissan franchise AND a very large ford franchise in a town that has 2 ford plants. 5 or 6 of our ford salespeople are ford retirees, and die hard domestic buyers, and 2 have already inquired into buying a titan. that should tell you something..
but back on topic...GMC/Chevy?
SWIFT.....
The word anemic was used by professional reviewers to describe the F150 not by anyone on this board.
As to the difference of 5 HP, that means squat. There are many ways for one vehicle to be more powerful than another with only a slight HP advantage. The first thing is obviously Torque. The second is gearing; rear-end, transmission specifically. The Ford has a 4 speed, the Nissan a five speed. That makes a difference!
Also, F150 XLT 4x4 Super crew with 5.5 foot box with the smaller 4.6l engine tips the scales at 5502lbs. The Nissan Supercrew 4x4 SE tips the scales at 5088 lbs with the 5.6l engine (according to Nissanusa.com specs posted Today). That is a 400lb weight difference without the bigger Ford engine. That also accounts for the power seemingly less as the HP to weight ratio is much better for the Titan!
A small note: To get the maximum tow capicity in the F150 of 9800 lbs, you must get a 4x2 (in my area, you tow with a 4x4). The maximum a 4x4 F150 can tow is 9300 lbs! I guess when you look at the numbers, in 4x4 mode Nissan does claim the better tow capacity than the Ford.
IMHO, the Ford isn't a new generation as they claim. It only has a four speed auto tranny, SOHC engine, it is very heavy, etc... The Titan is truly a new generation full size pickup truck, as Nissan claims! But that is only my opinion and I reached it by researching both the Ford and the Nissan.
I hope this answers your question about the Ford being anemic, in a manner speaking.
http://www.nissanusa.com/m/pdf/Titan_FourWheeler_012004.pdf
They were scratching their head about how the Ford doesn't seem to have the power Ford says it does.
Now Saddaddy, go find an article that compares the power in the Titan and the F150 by road testing them and says they our equal. Otherwise, we can call the F150 anemic (maybe a little strong, but it makes a point).
Harry
Most folks don't put that in thier long bed half ton.
Does that bed extender come with trainer wheels?
kip
plus this:
i drove both back-to-back
The F-150 is the new standard everyone else compares to.
Harry
Since you like Four Wheeler magazine so much where was the frontier in this one?
http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/16558/
I love my tacoma, but even I had to take their test with a grain of salt here -- as should you with this litte article you guys keep strutting around? But if not, I guess you concede that my Tacoma is a better offroader than an H1??? Rock on!
Its all in good fun -- I just wish I had a bigger truck, "ultimate 4x4/king of offroad" or not.
My trainer wheel remark was about bed extenders. It may very well be that the long bed F150 will carry 2500 lb of 4x8 sheets,but nothing with a bed extender is made to carry that kind of load and still steer.Not even the new Titan.
kip
The rear axel on my truck is behind the center of the box. I have not check the new Titan, but most Japanese trucks I see have the axel slightly forward of the center of the box. These trucks are less safe when overloaded (as we all do occasionally) than most domestic trucks.
For a driveway queen it makes no difference, but if you do large projects from time to time, the abilty to safely handle some overload is important.
While I prefer GM trucks from a personal point of view, the new Ford is an impressive truck.
Harry
Having driven both, the F-150 in my opinion is clearly ahead in many aspects. The interior by far as set the benchmark in material quality, and this is something echoed by almost every auto journalist in the industry. I was not impressed with the Titan's GM-like plasticky interior which is becoming a Nissan trademark in it's recent vehicles.
Overall the ride/comfort/quietness/solidity of the F-150 is much greater than that of the Titan in my opinion. Something that the majority of consumer's will appreciate and look for.
Also helps having so many configurations and 5 alternative interiors to choose from, but again, that's subjective towards the needs of some consumer's although it's nice to have those choices present if need be. And because of this, it's not hard to understand why the F-150 has the highest returning consumer's in it's class, and why it's been a sales leader for around 20 years.
I do think the Titan is a good strong effort from a manufacturer's first try in that segment (unlike Toyota's 7th/8th approach) and would place it 2nd behind the F-150 (in a spot were GM would have placed in).
Bed extenders? They are one of those things that looks great on the showroom floor but end up in a corner of the garage.
I think that Ford did a very nice, clean job with the redesign. Yeah there are somethings that are still from the last generation F-150 such as the transmission, but it is a very strong 4-Speed unit. Why argue with success? Overall I also am very impressed by the interior(s), though I must say that I haven't actually sat in one. However, from what I have seen peering in the window they look well thought out. Plus you have 5 to choose from! The owners whom have posted in the "New Cars" protion of this website seem particulaly pleased with the interior, especially those with the upper Lariat trim. Which to me is the most impressive of the 5.
While I will acknowledge that Nissan did a good job with its homework for the Titan, I am a Ford guy, and because of the bias there I see the F-150 as the best pick-up offering out in the current market. I guess I also feel more comfortable with liking the F-150 because Ford has had more experience in building a good, reliable, full size pickup (the last generation has consistently scored very well in CR's reliability ratings). Anyway, those are just my thoughts, and will probably stay my thoughts despite what some may say about my post ;-)
And Folks, the main thing is that you are happy with your purchase whatever that be, and that is all that counts. So if you don't like the F-150 and you think the Titan is 100x better, then I am cool with that! Enjoy!
Here's some example of it's interior quality in materials from some auto-journalists....
...."That cabin is amazingly quiet, too. The bottom line is that the new interiors really make the competition look dreary and old-fashioned. "...
...."Then he peeked into the cabin of the ritzy Lariat model and said it reminded him of a Land Rover, it was so gorgeous. So it was a very positive experience all the way around. "...
...."I've driven all the competitors in recent weeks, including the new Nissan Titan and the upcoming Toyota Tundra Double Cab. They're pretty good trucks. The F-150 is better. No, let me correct that. The new F-150 is the best truck money can buy. Period. "...
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Article: New F-150 is a 5-star truck all the way
http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=10- 951
...."After several hundred miles of driving and riding over a variety of Texas terrain, my overwhelming impression is that the 2004 Ford F-150 is the best America has to offer. "....
...."the result is a near-world-class interior that leaves the other guys in the dust. "....
...."The mid-level XLT is classier than most of the premium trucks from the Chrysler Group's Dodge brand and General Motors Corp., while the high-end FX4 and Lariat are simply best in class. "....
...."One surprise was the quietness of the cabin, particularly at freeway speeds"....
...."If you're inclined to spend that much money on a pickup, at least you can take comfort in knowing that you're getting the best truck that money can buy. "....
Article: Ford F-150 gets major makeover for 2004
http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=10- 900
...."there's little doubt that this truck sets new standards for full-size pickups when it comes to cabin design, ride and handling and load-carrying capacity."....
...."Build quality on our early build test trucks was impressive. Door panels didn't budge an inch when pressed upon and dashboard gaps were straight and of close tolerance. Materials quality is also better than before, with none of the glaringly cheap plastics that detracted from the previous model's interior."....
...."When it comes to providing an upscale experience, the Lariat has the current competition beat hands down."....
...." The result is exceptional ride quality and sharp handling for a vehicle of its size"....
Article: Motor City Meal Ticket
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/ford/f150/100313505/roadtestartic- le.html?articleId=100353
...."Quality comes from design as well as materials, and elements like the stereo controls are much more pleasing."....
...." Perhaps the most appreciable improvement in the F-150 is its interior design. Ford Motor Co. has made interiors a priority, and the results are already clear on the 2003 Expedition and Lincoln’s Navigator (see the First Drive) and Aviator."....
...."The F-150’s interior designs are a masterstroke in a market in which luxury is in heavy demand."....
Article: First Drive F-150
http://www.cars.com/carsapp/national/?szc=33174&srv=parser&am- p;act=display&tf=/features/mvp/ford/f150/f150_overview.tmpl
...."Seat materials, whether vinyl, cloth, or the leather standard (heated optional) in Lariat, are the best we've seen in a pickup."....
...." The new Ford truck has the coolest, most carlike interior in the industry, "....
Article: MotorTrends First Look
http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/pickup/112_0303_fut_f15- 0
...."One of the most exciting elements of the F-150's design brief is an upgraded interior look and specification. "....
...."The Lariat and FX4 are the most impressive, with metal-trimmed gauges and bright door handles and levers that recall the look of premium Euro sedans"....
...." and resets the meter at an altogether higher level in terms of light-duty-truck interior design and execution."....
Article: Motortrend First Drive
http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/pickup/112_0308_f150
...."Inside, the massive center console, finely wrought instrument cluster, and delectable trim materials prompt a search for the hidden Lincoln logo."....
Article: Driven
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/0308_driven_f150/index.html
One Titan specific article which uses the F-150 as the benchmark and recommends the F-150 overall.
...." The 2004 Titan full-size pickup truck is Nissan's ticket to the major leagues. Although the preproduction trucks I tested fall short of the benchmark new Ford F150 in some areas,"....
...." The curious thing is this: Although the Titan handily beats the F150 on paper -- more power, more room, better fuel economy -- the Ford turns out to be the better vehicle. "....
...."It also has shortcomings, including more noise and vibration than the F150 and a less composed ride over bumpy surfaces. "....
...."Some of the interior materials felt a bit cheap in such a carefully designed truck however, particularly the thin and fibrous headliner and the plastic map pockets at the bottom of the doors. "....
...."The truck is not as quiet as the F150"....
...." The ride is also slightly less smooth than the F150's"....
Article: Remember the Titan: Full-size pickup from Nissan, due in December, rivals Ford's new F150
http://www.freep.com/money/autoreviews/phelan21_20030821.htm
Also, several of your articles pick apart the F150 interior eg:
"Although we logged a relatively modest number of miles, the seats became tiresome regardless of trim level, and we found it strange that even the upgraded leather captain's chairs still use manual adjusters for the seat back angle and lumbar support. The climate control dials look good but feel cheap, same goes for the door handles — both being items that we think should have a good, solid feel considering how often you touch them. We also found the turn signal stalk hard to reach, the grab handles too far away and relatively few storage compartments. "
This came from the Edmunds article you posted.
All I am saying is you are showing articles on Prototype Titans. I suggest you wait and see some new articles on head to head comparisons.
The most you can place blame on prototypes might be fit of components, a few suspension tuning components, and computer related/software management pertaining to shift quality/responsiveness, etc. Prototypes WILL carry the same interior finishes as the final product and that was my point of those posts, I'm in the industry so I would know.
While they all will nitpick one item or another, being no vehicle will be perfect, and ALL vehicles will have one flaw or another...the perfect vehicle has not yet been built... the point was that the F-150 definately has the better interior quality/materials....Prototype or not. Some of those articles also had "prototype" F-150's as well, so I threw those into the mix.
"try looking at the recent 4-wheeler magazine article"
And while one article won't tell the whole story, I threw in numerous sources, many different backrounds, different journalists, different circumstances, etc. Someone would have to be denial not to accept the fact that the F-150 has the best interior materials/presentation/quality. And that was the objective of my post.
Thank you
IMO the big 3 & now Nissan are all pretty close in specs. Yah, they each jostle for bragging rights; one may have 300lb capacity advantage, another 1 sec faster to 60mph,another 3/4" more ground clearance..etc. Percentage wise though, the differences IMO really are minute.
The f150 looks nice enough, but driver door enter/exit was horrible. That gallon sized cup holder & tray at the bottom of the door you have to get your foot past by just to get into the truck was annoying. Not to bad when you can open the door wide at autoshow; but in day to day parking spaces,garage etc; entrance/exit would be difficult at best. This may sound trivial, but mistakes that obvious are ridiculous.
Someone mentioned "that just right" feeling. That was my experience with the Titan. I agree,all the trucks have advantage but like a good shoe, try it for some time before you buy. I made that mistake with 7/8ths Tundra.
You should get the Titan, because you won't be happy in anything else. I can't explain this phenomenon, but it's a real one. It's the same way I feel in a Chevy. Just don't like 'em. And, I admit it.
Majority of buyer's will opt. for 4WD if they are concerned about traction. From my experience, many have their Anti-Skid Systems turned off in their vehicles not knowing what it does exactly. Whereas 4WD is something most understand (no matter what age demographic). Having Stability Control system doesn't hurt, see it as an added benefit your paying for.
But this is part of the "this has this, this has that" nitpicking that in reality won't sway the consumer much. let's not forget the hardcore demographic and extremly loyal buyer's in this segment, and a few features here or there isn't enough to prove much for them.
I think that may be a little, no a lot overly stated. How about we say, that it may be of some concern to some individuals in the market for a full-size pickup?