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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150
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Titan as a honda elment. I guess it must be very abstract for me not to see it. I do believe will challenge Ford with an outstanding reputation of its own. I would like to see a dual climate thing in the Titan. Maybe Some of the solar tinted windshields. I would really like to see a hardcover for the bed. Those are some of the changes I would make with the truck. I probably would like some 18 inch off road tires for the 4 by 4 model. I think those would be good changes.
also, hard covers are available through A.R.E. at any truck accessory shop.
1. DON'T pay sticker price. I paid $30,500 for a $39,035 MSRP
2. Packaged options is the only way to offer with a limited number of units in stock. Most people who want a DVD want the sunroof too. If you don't, you'll either pay for the option you did'nt want too or buy the next level down and do without the one you wanted. Ford offers more choices because there are twice as many to choose from. I shopped on line for mine and checked the inventory of 15-20 dealers within a 300mi radius of home before selecting one that was ALMOST exactly what I wanted. With Ford It's impossible to get FX4 trim with "moonroof" and NOT leather seats. After looking at more than a hundred, I got leather and put covers on them.
'05s are shipping now.
The clencher; A fair price depends on a lot of factors. Some cars are really worth MSRP or even more but, not your Titan even though it's a new on the market vehicle. What would I pay for a Titan? The same formula I used for my Ford; MSRP - 10% minus all advertised incentives. Check the internet for these because they're not always advertised locally. If the salesman can't accept your offer without checking with someone else first, ask to deal directly with them and don't take no for an answer.I did'nt haggle. My offer was accepted over the phone and I went and picked it up. Don't get angry. Don't get rude and don't take no for an answer. If they don't want to give you the price then politely excese yourself to "get a better price" and leave them your number WHEN THEY ASK so they can give you a better price.
My last truck I bought from a dealer here in Fresno while negociating a price on my cell phone with a dealer in San Jose. The guy here quit trying for that extra few hundred and gave me the truck for less than I had hoped.
Fully loaded ex-cab FX4, I don't like ultra short bed crew cabs
The reverse sensing comes in handy with the exception of lowered vehicals due to the lift. I hit some lowered car while backing up with no damage to my vehical (not even a scratch), but created some extensive damage to the other vehical.
Added 6 inch lift and tire/rims
Added replacement billet grill
Added bed Extender
Looking to replace the headers and exhaust with JBA.
Undecided on the Tonneau covers: A.R.E or LEER
San Diego:
Bought an BLACK '04 F-150 LARIET Supercab 4X4, options 3.73 limited slip, audiophile/6disc, bright tubular running boards, power moonroof, power sliding rear window, tow package, reverse sensing system, black lthr trimmed cpt chairs, pwr driver/passender seat, heated front seats (will never use), linex sprayed bedliner, 75,000 extended warranty and low jack for 31,000K after all the rebates, tax and license.
You're right about being firm on your target. It really simplifies matters, and also knowing exactly what the invoice price is before negotiations begin.
-David
I remember when the Mazda Miata first hit the market. It was a cute little sports car that the consumers loved. They were selling for 25% OVER MSRP and selling as fast as dealers could get them. Like the $20 Cabbage Patch Kids dolls that were selling for hundreds a few years back.
These things are worth the money to those who buy them, but EVERYBODY else is thinking these people have no sense of value. They want something and let thier emotion dictate the corse of thier lives. These people are destined to spend thier lives and money in a constant quest for that one next thing that will fulfill them and no price is too great.
If I were trying to buy a '05 Mustang this would be late July or early Aug 2005
-David
I have not owned a long bed truck since the 1973 chevy I bought new in Phoenix,AZ.
I will wait for the 05 Titans. Hopefully Nissan has got some engineering corrected
My adversion is to the ultra-short bed Ford Suprecrew (and others) with no more payload or bed volume than your antique 4-cyl mini.
One would assume that Nissan will have worked out many of the concerns for '05 which should be available very soon.
Good Luck and Enjoy
Here are some trucks I have no idea why people purchase:
1. Ford Explorer Sport Trac
2. Chevrolet Avalanche
3. Cadillac Escalade EXT
Today I saw someone drive with 22 inch chrome rims on a FORD F150. I almost had a heart attack.
I completely agree with your list. It boggles the mind when one wonders why these people didn't buy an SUV
Don't buy anything you're only keep for one year, or three. Leasing is a lot cheaper. I only kept the GMC 2500HD for three years cuz it was a POS and the warrenty was getting close to expiring. I expect to keep the F150 for 8-10 years.
MY Ford has a spray in liner and IF I wanted it I could make a utili-track for about $60-70. My Ford has steps on the side of the bed and 3 exterior tie downs per side. Does Nissan offer a stepside?
Engine size? I just traded out of an 8.1 and yes I miss the power diference but fuel consumption was part of my motivation for trading. Unlike when I bought the GMC my question this time wasn't is it the most power but, is it enough. Both trucks have about the same tow rating so the question becomes,"Do I want to wait and see if people still have issues with Titan in '05, or do I buy a truck that'll do everything I need flawlessly right now" The GMC was neither.
Fords 5.4 powered F150 IS slower than the other full sized trucks biggest engines but all except Titan come standard with smaller engines. Just 5 or 6 years ago ALL full sized trucks were slower except Ford Lightning and with it's minimal hualing and towing capacity it really shouldn't be included.
The biggest problem I have getting onto the freeway at a decent speed is the guy in front of me even with the boat in tow.
THe Nissan truck bed will work well for me. I don't haul plywood, I haul automotive parts and pieces.
I primarily haul automatic trannys, they fit well in the little cage / bed extender on my 01 Super crew F-150 or the Silverado.
The Nissan will easily pull my car trailer and provide plenty of interior room for me and the grand daughters.
A lifted 4x4 truck? In my 20's & 30's I had them, now I want a lower truck so I can load it easily.... LOL
Lifted truck? I've got a paralized leg and can't fly. I'm glad they put them little handles in the cab so I can pull myself in. Crawling is so undignified.
Crosley cars, I believe were once sold trough the Sears catalog. Crosley made almost everything, including home appliances, radios and TVs. I have a '39 Crosley two-band AM radio. My ex-brother in-law had a mid-thirties Crosley refrigerator which is still working!
Of course, the old stadium where the REDS played for many years was named after Powell Crosley (Crosley Field) and I had the great pleasure of seeing a REDS game played there in 1970, the last year the REDS played there. They moved to Riverfront later that same year.
And of course, there's Powell's WLW at 700kc "...serving seventeen states and at least two nations."
Best regards,
Dusty
cars or something like that.
(Digging for my old car bible ! Andre where are you?)
I saw a ad for Crosley a chest freezer and Crosley AC unit in Sundays paper at a local appliance house. Not sure who makes them tho.
I do know White Industries makes Whirlpool, Frigidaire, Sears, Wards, Hotpoint, and a bunch of other private label appliances........
the titan is still aq better value...unless you are talking about the heritage model, which has great incentives...but its not in competition with the titan.
Bowke?
Give us a price!
gots to put more weight with Edmunds reviews.
this is BEFORE the $1500 rebate.
My '04 F150 FX4 with leather captians chairs, "moonroof", back-up sensors, etc, every option, had a MSRP of 39,000, an invoice of 34,500 and I paid 33,500 before the 3,000 rebate. Final OTD price 30,500
Your comparison is 30,700 invoice, 31,700 "TMV" and 34,050 MSRP equiped like mine except Edmunds don't show the sunroof option so lets add $800 for that which would make invoice 31,500.
If you sell me this truck for $1,000 below invoice (30,500) minus the $1500 rebate = 29,000 which is $1500 less than I paid for the Ford. Is that what makes your Titan a better value? Are you selling for $1,000 below invoice? The only Nissan dealer I talked with wanted $1,000 over invoice and seemed pretty convinced that he'd sell them all at that price. (but not to me)
you do not have the utility bed system, a value of $900, so i consider that and the sunroof to offset each other.
Then on the other hand, Titan's flawless 5spd A/T, lighter weight for better acceleration...
Ford's heavier construction, more solid feel means the doors won't be sagging like a '80's Chevy or Ford.
And back and forth ad infinitum. Then it comes down to personal choice and preference. If you get what you want at a price you agree to then there is no better value.
therefore, for the analytical buyer, i think the titan would be a better value.
My reference to sagging doors was about lighter duty chasis hualing heavy loads and not holding up. Ford has been building trucks for almost 100 years. I don't think they added all that steel to the frame to make it slower and use more gas. They did, however, make lighter ones in the past that didn't hold up. We'll see in about 5 years what a Titan's resale velue is after it's been worked hard and put up wet.
210 lbs. of that weight is using an iron block and heads rather than the nissan's aluminum. is iron more reliable than aluminum? no.
that leaves about 390 lbs left. where is that? the 2" deeper bed must account for at least 50 lbs. of steel.
the front end of the ford is about 3" longer from bumper to cowl. this has to be at least another 250 lbs.
all in all, there is very little "extra" in the strength category where it should be...the frame.
ford's frame, by their own specifications, only weighs 65 lbs. more than the nissan. the other 535 lbs comes from extra "stuff".
Uh actually it is. What component do you think the majority of engines have been designed of..Therefore, all these years iron has proved reliable. Aluminum engines have just started becoming more widely used in the last decade because the engineering of alloys have improved aluminum blocks integrity, in part allowing them to withstand high stress and heat. In fact, there's a few engines that have been built/tested in all aluminum (by some automakers) that weren't able to tolerate high heat, and caused all massive internal destruction within the engine block. Many dunked in water, just to find them crack from the temperature change.
Iron in this instance, has proved itself.
"the front end of the ford is about 3" longer from bumper to cowl. this has to be at least another 250 lbs.
A few inches here, and there do not account for added weight in a particular section. In fact, some parts of the frame are reinforced with thicker gauge steel where some of the added weight has gone to. This to improve crashworthiness, as well as towing and overall solidity of drivability.
" more than the nissan. the other 535 lbs comes from extra "stuff"."
Insulation, which is why the F-150 is quieter. Thicker windows, which adds to interior quietness as well. The seats receive their own special noise absorbing materials which makes them weigh a bit more. Quietsteel used in the dash, for quietness as well. Special firewall crossmembers which allow for tighter handling,(which is why it handles well) and to dispurse side force impact energy to the opposite side, this too has added weight. The A/C system was beefed up from earlier versions, which added to a bit more weight.
Etc.etc.
i guess this is useful, since they dont offer side airbags/curtains.
also, iron blocks crack from extreme temp. changes too. i did it to an old car of mine about 12 years ago.
aluminum is lighter, conducts heat more evenly due to less air pockets than cast iron, therefore, cools more evenly.
in what universe???
aluminum heads have been used for decades, and blocks for almost as long.
the only reason they werent used widely 50 years ago is because of the cost and metallurgical technology.
so what you are saying is that you would rather have 120 year old technology under the hood than 5 year old technology?