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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - IV
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simple statistics say that more on the road ='s more possible problems...
anyways.. spoog would also like to believe that the Tacoam is in a League by itself... its not
everyone in this room has an oppinion and they think thier truck is best (myself included) but the reality is they are both at the top of thier Class and that is why we all fight about it. if either was soo inferior this topic would not exist.. i hope they dont freeze the discussion, but if they do i have said my peace... have fun everyone
Here is what you write:
"As has been said over and over again, the 4wheeler
article Compared a NON off road equiped ranger"
THere is NO SUCH thing as an offroad equipped stock Ranger. SHould we blame Toyota for Fords lack of a real offroad suspension or offroad features? Of course not.
Let me put this so you understand it: THERE IS NO OFFROAD EQUIPPED STOCK RANGER. The RANGERS supsension in all forms is sacrificed for the HIGHWAY.
"2nd... 4wheeler magazine IS Full of TACOMA ads
(including the back cover.. most expensive space)
and very few ranger ads.. "
lol!
Hey Scotss.....the farmer called, he wants you to stop grasping all his straws.
"Now a Truly UNBIASED evaluation (consumer Reports)"
Its too bad this "evaluation" doesn't even test the vehicles offroad, and this "evaluation" comments on things like how nice the seat folds so pappy can put his ceramic fish carvings behind the seat nicely. Consumer reports is the mag with the red and black dots, right? I suggest you take a look at those little dots from 89-99 in Consumer reports.
4wheeler actualy takes the vehicles apart PIECE by PIECE and puts the parts under heavy freezing and heating, puts them through serious offroad beatings and highway riding, and a rigorous course at the track.
Once again, we are talking about TRUCKS here, real 4x4 trucks, not trips to Wal Mart.
"Picked the ranger as the best and the tacoma the
WORST of the small trucks.. that is an UNBIASED
OPPINION..."
Umm...So Consumer Reports likes the Rangers cheap price. Thats good, because that is one of the Rangers pro's.
Stepdown off your soap box and listen carefully. I do not disagree with your crashtest site, as i have stated time and time again. Nor do i think that the 4x4 model will be a million times better than the 4x2 in the same test. All i said was it was a strating point for those who are concerned about safety, but i do think if we are going to compare hard facts that we should really compare results from crashing a 4x4 ranger and a 4x4 Tacoma. Deep down inside I do think even you can comprehend this. A simple yes or no will do!
All + Our Host
If our host would like to settle this once and for all, I do think that our host should talk to edmunds about testing a fully loaded Ranger XLT Xcab w off road pack and a fully Loaded Tacoma XCab TRD Limited. If edmunds can put them head to head in a test that is not about opininons , but about testing abilities and shows methods and numbers we could solve this once and for all.
I do think it is safe to say that if you freeze this topic we'll just start a new one or hijack another one. As childish as this Conf can get sometimes, it has to be the most active, and has the most info about it's sunject than any other Conf i have read on this site.
Meredith if your are serious about how much this board bothers you, then do ask edmunds to do the test...
TIA
-wsn
http://www.auto.com/autonews/qvalue4.htm
FACT:: The Ranger continues to outsell the Tacoma 3 to 1. This means for EVERY Tacoma sold 3 Rangers are sold. Why is this? If the Tacoma is so superior, so much better after 7 years of production don't you think this is enough time to reverse the huge lopsided sales margin? And I am going to here, "sales don't matter" bull.... sales make MONEY. The consumer rules!
We have had 3 Ranger vs TAcoma rooms. In the first room I listed several links, reviews, data sites over and over again, so many times I got tired of continually posting them for nothing!
Maybe it is time to close this topic for a while
Meredith.
Vince i only remember you posting the carpoint link over and over again, not a bunch of links over and over again.
Ranger outsells Tacoma. Big Deal! This proves only that it outsold the Tacoma and that more people weighed out their criteria list and had the Ranger as their final choice. How many items are in our daily lives that are the top sellers in their fields, and are not the best in their field. McDonald's sells more Big Macs then Burger King sells Whoppers. Does this make the Big Mac better? Vince what the #'s show is that the Ranger fit more peoples criteria making it the best overall choice for most, or the best buy in it's class because the more they sell the cheaper it gets. None of these make the ranger the better truck. It is all subjective. There is no point arguing which is better overall. We will never win this argument. What we can do is compare certain elements of the two vehicles in hope that we will futher educate ourselves and others who happen to read this...
-wsn
Why do you keep bringing up this old, biased article and these ridiculous, 10,000pg TSB listings. It's time to look beyond the numbers.
Hey spoog, that farmer of yours called. He said thanks for shoveling all of that BS onto this message board. It really cleared up his barn. Now, we can all get a better grasp on that straw.
It all ends up being subjective. Some people will like one more than the other and vice versa. If there was a "better" truck, we'd all buy that one. Then, there'd be nothing interesting like this board/forum.
Spoog, that was the absolute 1st time that you've ever admitted that you were wrong (about the rpm thing). Wow! Will wonders never cease? Are you growing wiser in your old age?
By the way, is that supercharger on your truck eaton-roots or centrifugal??? Just wondering... I don't believe it said one way or the other on the TRD website.
Not quite sure why you posted that little blurb about my posts being directed at you...
performed a head-to-head test on the Ranger vs.
Tacoma, there will never be a "winner."
It all ends up being subjective. Some people will
like one more than the other and vice versa. If
there was a "better" truck, we'd all buy that one.
Then, there'd be nothing "
This is where you are wrong Cthompson. There can be a winner. That can be proven by numbers and performance data. 4wheeeler proved the Tacoma is better in every performance category, and offroad.
As for being "subjective", thats exactly the kind of thing you find the in the consumer reviews. 4wheeelr and PEtersons are a PERFORMANCE review, data that is FACTUAL and not subjective. Subjective is looks, and seat comfort. Things like offroad performance, highway performance, 0-60 numbers are hard, factual data, not "subjective" material. THings like what type of suspension and brakes and lockers is factual data. Apllying those devices to tests is factual data.
So far, I would feel it safe to say that:
The ranger seems better than the tacoma in side impact crashes.
The ranger is alittle bit cheaper than the tacoma.
the tacoma beats the ranger in every single performance category.
the tacoma is better than the ranger offroad.
the tacoma has better reliability than the ranger
the tacoma has a higher resale value than the ranger
THIs is what has been proven so far in this debate. Anyone who disagress with it has:
a. not been paying attention AT ALL.
b. Is in total denial
The way I see it is Ranger 3(I added my on-road score) and Tacoma 3(I guess I have to add back in the off-road win if I use the on-road for the Ranger.) Resale I'll still debate. Good clean post though, spoog.
Vince i only remember you posting the carpoint link over and over again, not a bunch of links over and over again.
Ranger outsells Tacoma. Big Deal! This proves only that it outsold the Tacoma and that more people weighed out their criteria list and had the Ranger as their final choice. How many items are in our daily lives that are the top sellers in their fields, and are not the best in their field. McDonald's sells more Big Macs then Burger King sells Whoppers. Does this make the Big Mac better? Vince what the #'s show is that the Ranger fit more peoples criteria making it the best overall choice for most, or the best buy in it's class because the more they sell the cheaper it gets. None of these make the ranger the better truck. It is all subjective. There is no point arguing which is better overall. We will never win this argument. What we can do is compare certain elements of the two vehicles in hope that we will futher educate ourselves and others who happen to read this...
-wsn
-wsn
-wsn
-acceleration times
-braking times
-skidpad figures
-slalom times
These are the only things that not subjective and are therefore objective. They can be measured by numbers. Everything else is subjective, such as handling (whether on-road or off-road), comfort, ergonomics, styling, and on and on. People saying which they prefer (as in these tests and comparisons) is only opinion.
Would you say that a F150 Lightning can handle better than a BMW 3-series because it has higher skid-pad numbers? I believe it to be .86g vs. .84g Can't remember exactly, though.
As for prices and resale values, it all depends. If you pay more for a truck, you'll probably get more when you sell it. There's also supply vs. demand. I could sell a 4x4 auto like nothing for a premium price, but a 4x2 stick would be a hard sell for a beating on what you paid new.
oh and the power...........lol, what power?????
I'm not saying the ranger is a bad vehicle but it's just not built (and never will be)like a toyota.
ie. dealers, servicing, etc.
I had one negative experience when I bought the truck, but then I was not planning to see him again after that. The short version of the story is that there was a mix up at my bank regarding the bank check I had deposited. Told the dealer that I would pay the following day with the bank check in full. Recieved a strange call from the dealer that night asking me to pay in full by credit card. Just told him I would see him tomorrow and hung up.
Goodyear AT/S tires are not the best for off-road. One would expect the BFG AT/ko or Thornbirds on an offroad vehicle.
To assume that the data provided by JD Powers is a direct reflection of Ranger quality is incorrect. Ranger is one of many vehicles produced. There is nothing in that JD Powers data suggesting the Ranger is the result of the placement.
Also, was spoog not the person that discounted all the previously posted data from JD Powers that was FAVORABLE to Ford. I know I posted data from them recognizing Ford assembly plants, ranking them with, as I recall, BMW for quality.
You Tacoma boys cannot have it both ways. Accepting one JD Powers report, you accept them all.
As far as I am concerned, I have a vehicle that is safer, has a larger frame, great on/off-road performance, resonable price and is independently recognized as a "best buy"(more than once singled out and recognized by Four Wheeler magazine).
To assume that the data provided by JD Powers is a direct reflection of Ranger quality is incorrect. Ranger is one of many vehicles produced. There is nothing in that JD Powers data suggesting the Ranger is the result of the placement.
Also, was spoog not the person that discounted all the previously posted data from JD Powers that was FAVORABLE to Ford. I know I posted data from them recognizing Ford assembly plants, ranking them with, as I recall, BMW for quality.
You Tacoma boys cannot have it both ways. Accepting one JD Powers report, you accept them all.
As far as I am concerned, I have a vehicle that is safer, has a larger frame, great on/off-road performance, resonable price and is independently recognized as a "best buy"(more than once singled out and recognized by Four Wheeler magazine).
From here you can find links to review of both vehicles. That is where I found the sales data I recently posted as well as recall data.
Some other good links about Tacoma and Ranger.
Happy hunting.
"As far as I am concerned, I have a vehicle that is
safer, has a larger frame, great on/off-road
performance, resonable price and is independently
recognized as a "best buy"(more than once singled
out and recognized by Four Wheeler magazine)."
The vehilce is safer in side impacr crashes. It is by no means a good offroader. Even 4wheeler said that. When you have 4wheeler quoting " the suspension was sacrificed towards highway", you don't have a good offroader.
OH, speaking of having it both ways Cspounser, how is it you bash the 4wheeler Tacoma vs Ranger comparions, yet accept their independant review of the Ranger? Interesting.........
I never said the Tacoma did not perform as stated and I believe I did state I accepted the article as a factual, but perhaps not fair test.
My Ranger does real fine off road and I have proven it time and time again with photographs. You have provided NONE.
Your cheese has slipped off your cracker spoog. . .
I have a picture in reserve of a basically stock Ranger articulating real fine over a rough rocky area. Not mine but so what.
I will be going to Estes Park this spring with a group of about 5 Rangers from the area. Pics to follow.
Interested Scottssss?
So you just run along spoog and play in your muddy flat cow pasture fields and race things from stoplights. Leave the Rockies to the Rangers.
Nothing objective or personal
Spoog doesn't own this truck. He has slipped so many times in past posts he has proved this himself. wsn, hind, ytktrd I believe own their Tacoma's they have given facts along with descriptions of interiors and mechanicals of the TAcoma to a "T". Spoog is riding the coat tails of these folks.
We all have posted good sites, good information about both trucks. I am a staunch Ford fan and see no reason to change. wsn, hind, are staunch Toyota fans and see no reason to change either. So, where do we go from here?
See you in the Cascades!
But the difference between you and me is I am not blind to the facts. The side impact crash tests results are fact. I accept those. The 4wheeler.com Tacoma Ranger comparison test and performance data and equipment documentation is fact.
The NHSTA TSB, recall and defect data is fact.
The problem here is accpeting the facts.
thanx for the invite but all my time off this year is dedicated to a float trip through the Grand canyon this June.. its going to be scary how much of this thread I will have to read when i get back LOL.
Curious, I believe it was wsn who answered he would pick the 2.7 over the 3.0 when comparing the lower end engines of Toyota and Ford respectivly. My question is why?
Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) are issued by vehicle manufacturers to help automotive tehnicians diagnose and repair problems reported by consumers and repair shops. It's amazing how many fixes are found in these bulletins that can't be found anywhere else. Over 6,000 bulletins are issued by car manufacturers every year.
Technical Service Bulletins contain up-to-date factory fixes for difficult to diagnose problems such as rough idles, intermittent stalls, hard starts, and all kinds of "shakes", "rattles," and "clunks" that can sometimes drive you nuts. Technical Service Bulletins describe service procedures that may improve performance, reduce future breakdowns, or show a factory authorized modification for your vehicle.
isnt a bad thing.. Just means that any mechanic can know how to quickly remedy all problems.. Sounds like a damn good way for mechanics to comunicate to me..
By the way, it's a 4.0L V6 Auto 4x4.
Mileage is pretty much what I expected. It wasn't much of a factor in my purchase decision either. To get all of those ft/lbs of torque (for towing and such) in those low revs, you're gonna have to give up some mpg.
My previous ranger had the 3.0L 4x2 auto. It got between 16-24mpg depending on highway/city and winter/summer. It just didn't have the torque or 4wd that I needed for my snowmobile trips up to Wis, and it handled absolutely terrible in the snow because it didn't have the LSD.
http://www.fordranger.com/autoshow/
After breakin, I got 19-20 around town, 22-23 on hwy. Made one trip 560 miles, towing 200 gal of water part way(1600+lb) went four wheeling for maybe 40 of those miles over Medano pass and into the sand dunes and then home. MPG was 21 for the trip.
I have had a drop in mileage I attribute to the 31X10.5X15 tires. Now get 18-19 around town and 20-21 hwy.
XLT 4X4 4.0L engine with manual 5 speed.
Ranger 5 1/4 inches top to bottom.
Tacoma 4 and if you streatch 1/4 inches top to bottom.
Also, Ranger Supercab 4X4 has 8 cross members which are attributed with being 300% stronger than the older Rangers which have 5 crossmembers. Fords words not mine.
Tacoma as I read it has 5 cross memebers on its extracab model.
Just some info to chew on. . .
TSB's also are used to fix hidden warrenties. Maybe that is where the Toyota 3.4 engine recall resides.
Turned 25,000 miles over the weekend. The 99XLT is running fine.
this topic is being "frozen." Please continue these discussions in Topic 1639 Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - V.
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