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Y2K Chevy S-10ZR2 vs. Y2K Ford Ranger XLT Off-Road
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Would you like to know why? It's actually quite simple.
They cost less and are of better quality.
You can keep bring up this friend of a friend thing and so on. Sounds like a bunch of urban legends to me.
I wouldn't hold my breath on a V8 S10 either. With the extra weight, power, and space considerations for a V8, you either need to do some major modifications to the truck or redesign it to accomodate one. Either case means lotsa R&D cash. Why would they want to cannibalize the sales of the more powerful I6 S10 or the more profitable Silverado?
I want to talk about what you have referred to as "factory lifts". I know you are a fan of the ZR2's agressive stance and subsquent ground clearance. But let's think about this for a minute. Isn't the REAL purpose of a lift to enable the owner of the vehicle to install larger wheels and or tires under the wheel wells? The ZR2 with its "factory lift" comes with 31" tires (15" rims). The Ranger, without any sort of special "lift" on the 4WDs can also be fitted with the same 31" tire. That being the case, where is the perceived ground clearance advantage that you said the ZR2 has over the Ranger? It seems to me that the Ranger already possesses the aggressive lift that you claim it lacks. Can 31" tires be run on any NON-ZR2 S10's? Just wondering...
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You've also got weight to consider. There's probably another couple hundred pounds (or more when considering other items which must be upgraded to deal with a V8) over the front axle. This might mean substantial suspension mods (more weight there too).
I think that Chevy would be shooting themself in the foot by moving the S10 "midsized" to compete with the Dakota and Tundra. They'll just cannibalize full-sized sales, and they'll probably increase the price of the truck, which is on the higher end in the compact segment.
They should look at their Buick and Pontiac divisions. Supercharge! Put a 6-8psi SC on that new I6. No weight penalty. No mpg penalty. You'd have tons of power too on an engine that should be smooth as butta. They have proven that their SC V6s are long-lasting and reliable. They've gotta have a brain floating around there somewhere...
Interested in a x-cab with the wide stance package with auto trans.
Retail w/options?
Invoice?
What did you pay for this vehicle?
$1250 rebate?
I'm only saying that a manufacturer will have a lot to consider when dropping a V8 into a chassis that was not originally designed to accomodate one. Besides fitment and frame/suspension modifications, they'll also have to look at safety, handling, CAFE restrictions, cost, and a whole slew of other considerations that we would probably never think of.
I'd take a SC 4L I6 over a small-block V8. I would expect around 260hp and 300+ft/lbs of torque quite easily. And, you would probably get some decent mpg to boot.
There'll probably be a hp increase switching to DOHC, but it'll likely penalize torque either in pure amount or bump the peak up higher in the rpm range.
Geez, it sure sounds like GM is really all over the board. They really need to cut some divisions and consolidate.
As for a new S-10 with a V8, I honestly don't know why Chevy HASN'T put that in yet. I have to say that I thing that they ARE in the same class as a Dakota, and they have a 5.9 v8 available. Please correct me if I am wrong.
claro2: I was also looking at a new S-10 ZR2 and fully loaded (4x4, auto, extended cab with a third door) they are running about 25K. BEAUTIFUL truck, highly reccommended!!
Whatever GM decides, I would sure hate to see them leave the compact segment. One strength in this area is choice for the consumer. Think about it: Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, GMC, Mazda, Isuzu. More competition means better quality and products for us. That's good! If GM leaves the compact market, that's bad! We'll see...
On a releated note, I read somewhere that if the next gen S10 does go to a midsize, the V8 will be the same 4.8L currently offered with the Silverado.
Yea, the 4.8L in a ZR2 would be something to behold. Although most Silverado owners opt for the 5.3L, I have heard some real good stuff about the 4.8L. If the S10 goes up to a midsize, seems like this engine would be a natural for it...
If he does get a Ranger, tell him to wait until 2001. It will be available with the SOHC 4L producing 205hp and 235ft/lbs. The 2001/2002 S10 also sounds worth waiting for too.
BTW, I don't think that anyone considering a compact truck worries about bed space too much. If they did, they'd go full-size. Maybe you were looking at a short-bed ranger with the 6' bed. There is a long-bed ranger with a 7' bed. The ext-cab ranger can only be had with a 6' bed.
Later,
-C
ps I've had excellent "luck" with my previous two trucks, a '95 Ranger and a '98 Ranger.
Woody I'm on my 2nd S10, the first went 300,000 and had no major problems. My new one is great!!! Maybe you should look at Ford and Chevy, see what you like best and see what dealer will give you a better price. The Ranger and S10 have comparable bed length, right down to a sportside.
I had to say something because you have no idea what you are talking about, trying to bash the S10. You were asking for it.
allknowing yeah hes entitled to his opinion, read xenala's post, thats what bothered me, when the new kid came in and said that ALL of em sucked.