Honda Ridgeline SUT

geo9 · October 2005

Check your e-mail for link......................

qbrozen · October 2005

If they come in mid-20's with a V-8, 6500lb towing, 20 mpg

Regardless of what the EPA may or may not claim, you will never see that kind of mileage in the real-world unless you drive 55 mph exclusively on the highway .... oh, and NOT towing anything, which, of course, defeats your whole reason for wanting such a truck.

imidazol97 · October 2005

It hasn't come through. Will you try one more time?

hazcat · October 2005

PUTC :confuse:

geo9 · October 2005

IMI..........Your yahoo addy in your profile keeps kicking it back.........
pickuptruck.com

once_for_all · October 2005

sorry, not clear. Mid $20's.

John

qbrozen · October 2005

it was clear
20 mpg

once_for_all · October 2005

yes, 20 mpg is what Ford claims. They don't give pricing, but mid $20s would be compelling.

John

qbrozen · October 2005

right, its what the EPA claims ... but that ain't what its gonna get.

Now, let me get this straight, you are complaining about the Ridgeline's mileage, but say the Ford, with worse mileage, would be compelling?? Why? Because of the price? Well, let's wait and see what you get for that price. And, just think, with big rebates and discounting, it will be REAL cheap. But that will come back to bite you in the form of resale value, that's for sure.

once_for_all · October 2005

not EPA (those aren't out yet). Just Ford's claim.

Yes, I am avoiding buying a 20 mpg vehicle, no matter who it is from.

Ideally, I would like to get a Ridgeline or Sportrac type vehicle with a new generation turbo-diesel and 6 speed that gets about 30 mpg. I would likely settle for less.

Resale value is something, but less of a consideration if you buy and hold for 10 years and 200,000 miles. Which is what I generally do.

John

uga91 · October 2005

"And, just think, with big rebates and discounting, it will be REAL cheap. But that will come back to bite you in the form of resale value, that's for sure."

What you have to remember is that the "bite" at resale is not as bad you say it is due to the rebates and discounts on the front end. If the Honda is $30k and worth 50% of it's MSRP in 5 years, it's worth $15k in 5 years. You've lost $15,000. If the (Ford in this example as it is what you were talking about) is also $30k but sells for $25k after rebates and discounts is worth 30% of it's MSRP in 5 years, it's worth $9k in 5 years. BUT, you are not out $21,000 as you only paid $25k for it, so you are out $16,000. In this example the "bite" you reference is only $1000. I know this is not exact, just an example. Your car is worth more than mine, but you also paid more than I did on the front end.

qbrozen · October 2005

well, yes, that goes without saying. But you also have to hope you jumped on the car when the biggest rebates were available. Obviously, not everyone does, and its those people who suffer the most at resale time.

jay_24 · October 2005

And the $5000 you save up front, if invested could make a return of 5% would be more than make up for the difference. Or it could save you some $$ of your mortgage...

or given a 5 year (60 payments) loan on the truck, down payment of $5K for each and a interest rate of 5%....
a $20K loan has payments of $377 per month
a $25K loan has payments of $471 per month
(I used some internet loan calc. to get the numbers... they could be wrong?)
The smaller loan saves you almost $6000

Less up front can really makeup for worth less at the end....

once_for_all · October 2005

and in theory, insurance costs should be less too as the replacement value of the vehicle is less.

It would be interesting to hear insurance costs from someone that bought a $35k fully loaded RTL and someone that spent $26k on an RT, in the same area. Or, from someone that has access to an insurer's web site and can run the numbers.

John

qbrozen · October 2005

i've never found that to be true, but i suppose that could vary by insurance company. As a matter of fact, just recently, I called my insurance for quotes on a couple of different cars. One of these was $38K and the other was 28K. Turns out they would have cost me the same on my insurance.

once_for_all · October 2005

yes, well they look at many factors including engine horsepower, safety ratings, security systems, traction control and abs, cost of repair parts, etc.

So the vehicles would have to be very similar except for initial price in order to get a reasonable comparison. That is why an RT vs fully loaded RTL would be interesting.

John

qbrozen · October 2005

well, yes, that's true. The interesting thing in my comparison is that the more expensive car also was the one with more horsepower and more expensive repairs. The was a volvo s60R vs. Accord Coupe 6-speed, by the way. Yes, of course volvos are known to be safer, BUT the ratings used here in the states (frontal offset, etc, etc) are the same for the 2 vehicles (as far as i know).

just thought it to be quite odd.

on a similar note, we just traded our Pilot for a Pacifica. The Pacifica did have a higher MSRP, but has more safety features than the Pilot. Both have similar engine output, AWD, etc. Yet the Pacifica is costing us about 10% more in insurance. I'll never understand insurance ratings.

uga91 · October 2005

Well, you know insurance rates are based on what they expect to have to spend on your claims based on the vehicle. Apparently your insurance company figures fewer (or less expensive) claims on a Pilot than a Pacifica. Plus, the Pacifica is new.

qbrozen · October 2005

ya know, they commented on it being newer, too, but its not like my insurance on the Pilot was any higher when I first bought it than when I sold it 2.5 years later. So that part of the argument just doesn't hold water with me.

georgekaplan · October 2005

Does anyone know what changes may be in store for next year and when the '07 may be released?

George

narg · October 2005

I just read the road test article here for the Ridgeline. All 4 struts went bad after a simple dirt road excursion. That takes the Ridgeline out of my considerations. If Honda can't get a set of struts that can handle a simple dirt road, then do they really expect to sell trucks? Or even SUVs? That was pathetic.

itom · October 2005

I have a simple question for you folks. I leased a new Ridgeline RTS here in Phoenix this past week and after the contracts were signed the dealer tells me he can't find the extra key or the owners manual. They say this happens quite often. My fear is that with a large dealer with a couple of hundred employees this key could fall thru the cracks and 3 months from now my Ridgeline mysteriously comes up missing. Shouldn't be too hard for an unethical employee to track a VIN number and simply drive it away in the middle of the night.A valid complaint? And the dealer seems to act like this Owner's Manual is linked to this particular vehicle for some reason. On that end I say just give me an owners manual.My solution to the dealer is to simply give me a new vehicle that they DO have possession of both keys and the manual. A valid complaint? The dealer seems to think I'm the one trying to pull a fast one. Your comments Please. :confuse:

tacoridge · October 2005

If that is all it takes for you to give up, you're in for a big surprise with anything.

tacoridge · October 2005

I would suggest having them change the locks, for the very reason you stated. Agree, just give me another manual with the correct key code (it's a stiker).

tcasboy · October 2005

And car dealers just can't figure out why the general public's impression of them is right up there with sleazy snake oil salesmen. There is no way in hades that a dealer shouldn't be able to provide you with 3 keys (the 2 normal and the valet) and the owner's manual.

The only reason I can think of is the dealer is waiting for your check to clear or some other paperwork to come through and when it does they will mysteriously "find" the keys and manual. Again, if this is the case, they are still not dealing honestly with you. They should be upfront about this if it is the case.

I would demand a full set of keys and the manual, a REASONABLE explanation, or a different vehicle. This smells like bad fish.

Good luck.

narg · October 2005

You've got to understand, the roads in my state are some of the worst in the country. Many about as good as the dirt road stated in the article. I traverse quite a few "washboards" just to get to work everyday. No way I'd own a vehicle that could even take the normal streets here. Otherwize I'd very highly consider it. Maybe next year Honda will get it together.

geo9 · October 2005

Yes Narg.........How dare you say anything negative about the 'ridge !
Edmunds did a unfair test....Plain and simple...................

You can't believe everything you read can you?

I CAN !!!!!!!!!.............There is another report of a ridge strut failure in another truck
forum. It was discounted there also !

Read back in this thread and you will see how anyone with a ridge problem
is quickly dismissed......................... :lemon:

imidazol97 · October 2005

CR is usually pro Honda and Toyota. I've questioned their bias but quickly been told by Accord discussions that CR has it right. So I'll take CR at their word on this. If they felt it was a problem and didn't discount the flaw like they often do with vehicles brands they prefer, it must be major with CR. I'm surprised they didn't do a retest. They must have felt it wouldn't change anything.

geo9 · October 2005

Did you read CRs report on REAL world hybrid mileage ? Seems the city EPA
mpg. is like 1/2 of reported..............

BUT don't DARE make mention of that in the hybrid forums or the "greenie
zealots" have severe denile attacks !!!!!!!!!!!..................LOL!............

imidazol97 · October 2005

But it's a Prius. We don't talk about that.

rsholland · October 2005

in fact, almost on a daily basis now.

Bob

jay_24 · October 2005

I've seen a grand total of 2 in Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN. Both of those sightings were back in July or August.

--jay

geo9 · October 2005

I see a LOT too..............SITTING at my 3 local honda dealers............

At $31k a pop they sure ain't selling in the central NY area...........
I have yet to see one on the road.

One local dealer is offering $3000 off sticker in yesterdays paper.

rsholland · October 2005

Well in the part of the country you live in, domestics rule. I was in Wisconsin last month and couldn't believe how few Japanese brand cars I saw on the road. Come to the east coast or west coast and it's just the opposite.

It took a while before i started seeing them on the road, but not any more.

Bob

rsholland · October 2005

$3K off? That's a good deal, you should grab one. Oh, wait, I'm talking to geo9, hater of all things not 'Mericun...

Bob

qbrozen · October 2005

One local dealer is offering $3000 off sticker in yesterdays paper.

Well, carsdirect gives me a price of almost $4k off sticker in NJ.

And '06 Accords are already $2500 off sticker ($4k off '05s). Guess, by your logic, that means they are deficient and undesirable, huh? Poor Honda ... only able to sell a couple hundred thousand each year. I suppose they'll be going out of business soon.

geo9 · October 2005

Thats funny.....................I was in the Philly/NJ area last week and a giant
toyota and honda dealer group in Cherry Hill had 100 new 05 camrys ( all
listed by vin#s, options, and prices) at "giant" discounts according to their screamer ads.............
Their honda store also had a similar full page ad touting 05 accords, civics,
and ridgelines at clearance prices to make room for the 06s................
There was also mention of several prius in stock and choices of colors for
imm. delivery..................

YUP......the whole 23k sold of those ridgelines must be quite the common site
in LA-LA or is it fantasyland land huh Bob?

BTW: I have a REAL truck to do my hauling. No need to buy a car with a
bed and then buy a utility trailer to go to the home store to haul something
home................................... :P

qbrozen · October 2005

BTW: I have a REAL truck to do my hauling. No need to buy a car with a
bed and then buy a utility trailer to go to the home store to haul something
home................................... :P

so.... why are you even here in the ridgeline discussion? Just to berate a vehicle you don't own? You must have alot of free time on your hands to go to all the discussions of cars you DON'T own and don't want to own.

varmint · October 2005

"BTW: I have a REAL truck to do my hauling. No need to buy a car with a
bed and then buy a utility trailer to go to the home store to haul something
home................................... "

A real truck purchased with $6,000 in rebates, on top of a below-invoice deal, with several free accessories, and a deed to the Brooklyn bridge...

rsholland · October 2005

BTW: I have a REAL truck to do my hauling. No need to buy a car with a
bed and then buy a utility trailer to go to the home store to haul something
home...................................

Why should I buy a big, clumsy truck to drive everyday when the trailer works just fine for the few times I need it? Besides, my 5x8 trailer can haul more stuff than your pickup bed can.

Bob

geo9 · October 2005

Must be ok then? Like the last few...............Uhhhhhhh ok.......LOL!

qbrozen · October 2005

reread my post. its not just the fact that you don't own one (as i don't, either), but the fact that you don't WANT to own one and would never consider it. I talk about Ferraris because I LOVE them, but I'll sure as heck never be able to buy one. If I went into Ferrari discussions just to say "geez, what a crappy car you guys own" over and over and over again, that would just be sad.

kyuss · October 2005

Dearest geo9
This may be presumptuous on my part, but what do you drive, a @#%$'n Tracker (hence the screen name)!!!!!

rsholland · October 2005

He drives a Bubbamobile (a 3/4-ton Chevy pickup) and an old Caddy of some sort. It's pretty clear he suffers from the "Mine is Bigger than Yours" complex, and we all know what that means. :P

Bob

geo9 · October 2005

Never said the ridge was a crappy car. Just pointed out its faults and
was promptly dismissed ...........
I see your posts about subies and just smile !!!!!!!!!!!!!

KY........I have 5 vehicles........04 Chevy 2500 x-cab 4x4, 03 Cadillac DeVille,
72 GTO, 72 Fleetwood 75, 88 Escort rat, 77 Triumph Bonneville and some water
toys.................... :shades:

geo9 · October 2005

BOB...........I need that "bubba" mobile.
You know the one that comes with the factory with a HITCH !

Your hero trucks (ridge & baja) can't pull a boat or camper let alone plow snow. :P

I guess in your opinion it makes more sense to spend $31k plus for a ridge
then purchase a utility trailer to do the hauling huh?

qbrozen · October 2005

posts about subies? how far back are we talking?
i owned a subie 3 years ago. Really like them, although i wasn't terribly please with ours. I like alot of cars. I'm a car guy, what can i say?

rsholland · October 2005

Never said the ridge was a crappy car.

You never miss an opportunity to point out it's a "crappy car," and I'm sure everyone here (not just me) will agree with that.

Bob

rsholland · October 2005

He just goes out of his way to get under my skin, as you can see that most of his remarks are pointed specifically at me, in one way or another. He's got "issues," as we all know.

Bob

qbrozen · October 2005

ah, well, that might explain the subie comment. Maybe he meant to direct that at you, too, since I believe you've posted about subies MUCH more recently than I have.

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