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The '89 Corolla my wife and I owned back in college rusted like crazy too. It ran well too, as the proper maintenance was performed. My uncle patched up the car at his body shop, and we sold it a few months later with 100K miles.
You couldn't even get to the wheels bearings to repack them as they were sealed. They had begun to make noise, and I feared some expensive repairs down the road.
Didn't Toy say that about half of the V6s had bad head gaskets? Or, was that they replaced about half of the head gaskets?
My point is if a domestic truck does this stuff it's "What junk they build, I can't believe the lack of quality etc." It just seems so two faced to me.
One person can say he drove his toy 100k plus with no problems and took a trip to New Orleans or Arizona or wherever and claim this means that all toyota trucks are reliable but no other trucks are and Toyota engine problems are not representative. On the other hand When a Ford owner claims that many miles or more on his Ranger everyone always points to the Rangers that have problems and says THEY are representative of this truck's overall quality, not the satisfied owners. Plus, Toyota does not sell as many trucks in this country as any domestic so of course there will likely be much fewer problems. And personally, I think it doesn't matter how reliable an engine is, It's not worth it to be driving around in a bucket of rust 10 years from now.
head gasket at 83K. But I drove the hell out of it."
Big deal. I had a 83 S10 I drove the hell out of and only had the valve covers off because the gaskets needed to be replaced and put 300,000 on it. Besides normal wear and tear......tires, belts, etc it was a great truck. I'd still be driving it but I got a deal I couldnt refuse on a 99 S10 last year.
"Sorry, not into politics.
If your "proof" is blown engines and bodies
falling apart from rust, there you go."
Cthomp, I asked you to name a pickup truck more reliable and with a better reliability record than the tacoma compacts. You couldn't do that.
Thanks for proving my point............;)
Sorry, but I don't.
I had a car that blew its head gasket and cracked the head at 75K miles. I fixed it and sold it because I couldn't trust it anymore. Maybe if I had put a magical "T" on the front of it, it would have made everything all better. You Toyota guys seem to think so.
Just for the record, I'd take a 1990 4.3 S10, 2.9 Ranger, Mazda B-series, or Nissan p/u ANY day of the week over that only 10-year-old, rusted out body, head gasket blowing Toyota compact p/u to which you referred to earlier as the culmination of reliability.
Nice try, spoog. I wouldn't be running off to join the debate club any time soon. Your arguments make no sense and are not supported by facts OR logic. And, you revert to profanity and name-calling when proved wrong over and over.
Why can't you answer the questions I posted in #477?
Here they are again:
Can you tell me why they just didn't drive all of
the cars through a single corner to delare the
winner?
Can you tell me why they picked a car as the best
handling car for over $30,000 that didn't place
first in a single one of their tests?
PLEASE ANSWER THIS ONE, I'M DYING TO KNOW YOUR REASONING HERE.
This is why it's called handling and not cornering.
As for driving in a straight line, I don't believe that most vehicles are closely matched at all.
I never said my car didn't exhibit body roll when traveling through a corner at 35mph. Which is best? No body roll, a little body roll, moderate body roll, a whole buncha body roll? Why would it be best? Don't you think it's driver preference? But, that makes it... SUBJECTIVE!!!
Handling is the characteristics that the vehicle exhibits when in motion.
It could be starting, stopping, turning, hitting potholes, jumping sand-dunes, speeding down the back straight at Neurenbring (sp?), or whatever.
If you believe handling to be only cornering, why not just say "cornering"???
Well, the M3 didn't pull the highest Gs or shoot the slalom the quickest. Those are some prime indicators of "cornering" which I think you are confusing with a vehicle's overall handling. Maybe you should reread the article and rethink your position.
My only point is that handling is subjective. It all comes down to driver preference. And, I'm pretty sure I'm not in the minority here.
All,
You can rat on Toyota for the rust problem but that has nothing to do with reliabillty. If you took care of your truck you could avoid it. I bought mine used and it started to rust after I got it, but no regrets. It is still reliable. If it it starts and runs well it is reliable. As far as the head gasket is concerned, be careful, because while you may think it is some problem specific to Toyota, it is not. Dont jinx yourself. I could supply plenty of links to Ford discussion groups about bown headgaskets.
I wouldn't mind taking a month off and heading on a cross country trip. I've always wanted to drive through the mountains, as I'm a flatlander here in IL.
Oh well, back to work. Maybe for a few weeks this summer...
I for one have never tried to say that the Toyota trucks never had a headgasket problem, just that my 3.0L didn't. If you are one of the Ford owners who contantly brings up Toyotas headgasket problems as if they are limited to Toyota you may have opened up a can of worms. I suggest you dont look at the discussion groups at any of your beloved Ford sites such as blueovalnews. Seems as if there is some trouble with the 3.8, 4.6, and 5.4L
Enjoy the stickers too!
See you in the Cascades.
Hind, I proved my point the pictures say it all. I have a Ranger, live in the NW and enjoy some of the best offroading in the country!, With my Ford Ranger. Eat your words and enjoy them with some salt
problems with a Chevy." Luck had nothing to do with it, Chevy makes good trucks. My dads Chevys went at least 200,000 miles.
Sorry to get off the Ford/toyota subject but I had to laugh when someone said they blew a head gasket with 83,000 miles on their toyota but acted like it was no big deal. I guess if the engine blew up that would've been ok also because its a toyota.
1995 model toyota tercel.
It is a 2D STD SEDAN.
No power options, no a/c, and leather interior. 4
speed auto trans.
The odometer shows 78000+ and the car is in mint
condition.
Brakes have been replaced a year back and 2 tires
have been replaced 8 months back.
The owner maintains oil change history for past 1
year (had changed oil thrice in a year) and the
latest was 3 weeks back.
He is quoting a price of $3800.
Sorry for the cross posting.
;-)))
For the record, all of those 1990 p/u's I mentioned would be more reliable than that 1990 Toyota p/u. Around half of the 3.0's manufactured that year had the fatal flaw of a weak head gasket. I think a malfunction that results in the vehicle not running anymore with costly repairs (especially if it cracks the heads or ruins other engine internals) would be a little bit more serious than the minor things like switches that you love to nitpick. And, none of them would be rusted apart.
Hey, does your rpm still jump to 3000 when you engage your 4wd? Did you ever figure out the chemical composition of that special steel you say Toyota uses? Hey, why don't you post your favorite little article? Ya know, it's the one that you base your entire knowledge of trucks on.
I'm glad you had your S10 for 300,000 and stayed loyal and bought another. That's the same way I feel about my Toyota. I don't Knock other brands or LOL at S10 or Ranger owners. Their purchase decisions are their business. I know that Toyota Trucks in general receive more accolades from automotive mags and JD Powers than any of the domestics. My purchase decision was based on quality, reliability, performance, towing capacity, cargo capacity, fit finish,quality of workmanship etc... I don't mind paying a premium when I feel there is added value. The Ford Ranger argument that there are more Rangers is ludicrous as that is the most inexpensive truck on the road. Just as quality sells on its on merit, so does a low price.
Seems folks keep waving the rust thing around as well. That's a 10 year ago argument. Have anything new?
Looks Like JUVENILE_8 still knows how to use the post button
You Ranger guys kill me. All you can come up with is the crashtest info. An important issue, but that's it?
Also we'll talk when there is more than one "My TRD Caught Fire" websites. There are more than one "My ford caught fire" sites...
My .02
-wsn
When it rains it pours......Here come the 90 NHSTA recalls, defects and TSB's for the trucks you mentioned verse the Toyota.....dum da dee dum................
Ranger, Mazda B-series, or Nissan p/u ANY day of
the week over that only 10-year-old, rusted out
body, head gasket blowing Toyota compact p/u to
which you referred to earlier as the culmination of
reliability."
Cthomp, I have in hand the data for these vehicles you have selected over the 90' Toyota.
Here is the official list of stats from the NHSTA site:
90 Chevy s-10:
2 safety recalls
4 defect investigations(one of them being engine compartment fires)
88 Technical Service Bulletin Recalls
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90 Mazda b series pickup:
0 recalls
4 Technical Service Bulletin Recalls
0 Defect Investigations
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90 Nissan pickup:
1 safety recall
1 Technical Service Bulletin Recall
0 Defect investigations
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90 Ford Ranger:
4 safety recalls
339 ( yes, I said 339) Technical Service repair bulletins
2 Defect Investigations(wheel seperation/torque loss)
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90 toyota pickup:
0 safety recalls
7 Technical service bulletin recalls
0 Defect Investigations
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Well Cthomp, had you stuck with the Mazda and Nissan for your choices, you may have built a strong case, as these are close choices with the Toyota. By adding the Ranger and the s-10, you sunk your argument down to the deepest possible pit.
See....this is what it's like dealing in facts. And you know what? Facts are good.
Remember that ole "foot in mouth" comment?
" A poet everybody! The lad reckons himslef a poet!"
Enjoy.
(2) That second one is great! It's for postal vehicles only! I guess I shouldn't work for the post office and drive an S10! BTW, that would also be for the 2.5L S10.
Got any more postings that will gimme a chuckle like those???
Toyota 7
Ranger 4
Mazda 4
Nissan 2
S10 2
Do the math for yourself. Last time I checked 7 was greater than 4 or 2. For TSB's, we've got the manufacturer telling the dealer how to fix a problem with the truck rather than a mechanic spending hours doing analysis. That sounds good to me!
Ranger, Mazda B-series, or Nissan p/u ANY day of
the week over that only 10-year-old, rusted out
body, head gasket blowing Toyota compact p/u to
which you referred to earlier as the culmination of
reliability."
Cthomp, I have in hand the data for these vehicles you have selected over the 90' Toyota.
Here is the official list of stats from the NHSTA site:
90 Chevy s-10:
2 safety recalls
4 defect investigations(one of them being engine compartment fires)
88 Technical Service Bulletin Recalls
------------------------
90 Mazda b series pickup:
0 recalls
4 Technical Service Bulletin Recalls
0 Defect Investigations
-------------------------
90 Nissan pickup:
1 safety recall
1 Technical Service Bulletin Recall
0 Defect investigations
-----------------------
90 Ford Ranger:
4 safety recalls
339 ( yes, I said 339) Technical Service repair bulletins
2 Defect Investigations(wheel seperation/torque loss)
----------------------
90 toyota pickup:
0 safety recalls
7 Technical service bulletin recalls
0 Defect Investigations
----------------------
Well Cthomp, had you stuck with the Mazda and Nissan for your choices, you may have built a strong case, as these are close choices with the Toyota. By adding the Ranger and the s-10, you sunk your argument down to the deepest possible pit.
See....this is what it's like dealing in facts. And you know what? Facts are good.
Remember that ole "foot in mouth" comment?
" A poet everybody! The lad reckons himslef a poet!"
Enjoy.
Ranger- 6
Chevy - 6
Toyota - 0
Nissan - 2
Mazda- 0
The toyota has 7 TSB's, compared to the Rangers 339, the Chevies 88.
Also please remember that TSB's arent just "information". They are information to known problems with then inherent design of the vehicle.
90 Ranger-
4 safety recalls
2 defect investigations
339 TSB's
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90 Toyota-
0 safety recalls
0 defect investigations
7 TSb's
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90 Mazda-
o safety recalls
0 defect investigations
4 TSB's
-----------
90 Nissan-
1 safety recall
1 defect investigation
1 TSB
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90 Chevy-
2 safety recalls
4 defect investigations
88 TSB's
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/
90 toyota pickup:
0 safety recalls
7 Technical service bulletin recalls
0 Defect Investigations
----------------------
That looks like the word recall to me.
Not splitting hairs with you anymore.
I'd seriously consider changing your handle.