Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - V

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  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    Thanks for the formula. I thought somebody might remember it. It's been years since I've been in a science class.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I hope they air that commercial here in the NW soon sounds pretty funny.
    Don't mind spoog, the Ranger can offroad, I am proof. He forgets to mention the OPEN AXLES of all Tacoma's!
  • wsnoblewsnoble Member Posts: 241
    Do ALL Ranger's come with an LSD?

    Just a Question?
    -wsn
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    It was a commercial for Southeastern Toyota whatever but I guess that could have just been tacked on over a generic commercial. Also it seemed old. I laughed out loud and all friends looked at me like "what was so funny?". I just told them they would never understand.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    Nope. All Rangers don't come with the LSD. It is a 2 or 3 hundred dollar option on all models. I don't believe any trim comes standard with the LSD either. It's well worth the price, especially if you're only going with a 2wd truck.
  • trenttrent Member Posts: 86
    My Ranger is a white 4x4,4 dr,sc. Oh and I have a rack on top.
    What kind of cover are you getting for your Tacoma? Have you been down to Hyw 21 truck covers in Rock Hill?
    I'll be on the lookout for your Toyota at lupies!
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    With the hypertech you get to choose what you want to change. As for a cat back I'm gonna stop by a speed shop and see whats available, I'm still waiting on my tax return. Did you notice an increase in power & mileage with your cat back?
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    hahhahaha that commercial sounds hilarious!
  • wsnoblewsnoble Member Posts: 241
    Thanks you made my point for me.

    Both vehicles offer "Get me unstuck" options. Ranger = LSD, Tacoma = LRD.

    Seems like somebody else (Not You)was trying to make it seem otherwise.

    -wsn
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    I have not been down there but have heard of it. I am considering the snugtop expo but the closest dealer is in Raleigh but I have friends there so I wouldn't mind going there to get exactly what I want if I decide on the snugtop. Do you know what brand(s) they sell in Rock Hill?
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    wsn, just say my name. Is the LRD available all the time? What happens when its disengaged? What are its MPH limits Toyota puts on the LRD? Why?
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    where the hell is everybody?
  • trenttrent Member Posts: 86
    The dealer in Rock Hill sells Leer, ARE, Century, Continental and a couple more I can;t remember. Their is a lot to look at down there though. I liked the Snug top but I couldn't find a dealer close by. I didn't even know there was one on the east coast.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    I guess that is the best answer I will get in regards to my question I had asked you in a previous post. There was no need to include that portion with Spoog, since the question that I had posed did not mention him. I guess you do wander off from the topic. Do not be judge others if you commit the same greivious error that you cite of other and recalcitrant in not admitting the same error. I am saying that in a nice way . . .

    Moving on . . .

    So far I have never been stucked with my Taco with the open and the LRD. I did pull a Ranger out of a ditch a while back. He went head on into a fairly deep ditch and the front and back end had bottom out. Basically all four tires were just a bit above the ground after those futile attempts to get free. Got two planks from my bed to put in front of his rear tires and tried pulling him out in 4Hi with no luck. Put in 4Low with the locker engaged and pulled him out
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    The LSD may be great but most of us Toyota guys don't need it because our trucks come with better off road suspension, better off road tires, and the ability to override the clutch start requirement with the flick of a switch. You can add these features that Ford neglects to put in their 4X4 but we prefer to by a Truck from a company that is serious about off roading. The Ford is a good truck that has a lot of ability but the LSD is far from making the Ranger a better off road truck. I have a Ford and a TRD Toyota and the Toyota is a no brainer better vehicle off road. Try driving one sometime.
  • scottssssscottssss Member Posts: 147
    Would someone please explanin to me how and when one would use a clutch start cancel switch....

    i would really like to see spoog explain it to me too :)
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    What was the question? My computer here at home has been undergoing some major upgrading and has been on and off-line at all different times, as I've been fixing problems. And, I'm out at a client now (instead of in the office) for the next coupla months. No internet access. :o(

    Sorry to anyone else if I haven't answered questions directed to me.

    Later (hopefully)
    -C
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Ever been going up a steep hill and stall the engine? Try to get moving while pushing in the clutch, the brake, and then use your third leg for the gas. You can use the emergency brake sometimes but it usually doesn't hold well when you're on a steep incline. Being able to start in gear is an easy way to get moving again.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    So, it's kinda like a cheat for someone who's not quick on the draw or doesn't know how to heal 'n toe.

    I saw a wiring mod (swap a couple of wires) on contour.org that defeats the clutch cancel switch, so you can turn the starter over without pushing in the clutch.

    I wonder if it can be applied to the Ranger. Well, I needn't bother as I've got a slushbox. Even if I didn't, I've got the fastest foot in the midwest...

    :oP
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I suppose that if you're on a slick muddy hill the switch may get you going a bit faster. It's another nice feature that you may never use but makes you feel better.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Scottssss:

    Lets say you have a manual trans. Your stuck on a muddy, steep incline. and stalled out. Below you is about 30 feet of deep mud. Below that a 25 foot drop off a cliff. If you slip anymore, you will lose your grip. The point of getting unstuck is to get your rear wheels up an d out of their ruts. If you had a manual trans and didnt have the clutch/start cancel switch, you would have to press the gas while keeping the clutch in. This will cause you to roll bacwards, slipping back into your own ruts. Then, as you slide backwards and start the engine, giving it gas, you are making yourself even more stuck by causing even MORE wheel slippage.

    With the clutch start cancel switch, you can simply press the switch, start the rig, and drive off, out of your ruts. Since you don't have to press the clutch in, you r are elimnating clutch slippage and wheel slippage. It is a very handy device that I have used. It's a feature that come from YEARS of design philosophy making trucks in remote, rugged third world countries that can't call Johnny-tow-truck when they get stuck. it's an awesome feature.



    Allknowing-

    You are right, the Toyotas are built with at least some offroading philosophy. The suspension, clutch start cancel switch , ground clearance, locking rear diff, standard skid plates and gas tank plates, the way everything is tucked away underneath.



    Vinnie:

    Limited slip differentials are for onroad driving situations. They are not a help offroad. They are very good for icy streets and wet paved surfaces. When you get them offroad, you tend to lift your wheels up in funky places, sometimes rendering the whole system useless.

    It's a s simple as that.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Once again, I have never said the LSD is better than a locker. My whole point is the locker is VERY LIMITED in its use. Ask yourself how often do I use this? Maybe 1% of my total driving time? I am well aware of what a locker is and when a locker is to be used. And I know the majority in this room would not go into places where a locker will get its FULL use. A LSD is better than an OPEN AXLE also.
    Clutch start cancel doesn't work very good in an automatic either. The whole point is to not stall going up a muddy hill. If you are a seasoned offroader you know how to work a clutch and gas pedal too!!!
    Thinking about buying one of those rolltop tonneu covers. Anyone here own one?
  • frank12frank12 Member Posts: 20
    Sounds like you Toyota boys need a class in driving a manual transmission. The way to get out of a tricky situation with a stalled truck is to
    1. right foot on brake
    2. left foor on clutch
    3. start truck
    4. let foot off of clutch until you feel clutch engaging but not all the way engaged. (this will hold truck in place on hill)
    5. give a little gas and let your clutch out the rest of the way.

    Of course, this only works if your truck engine has enough torque at idle to hold your truck in place, (which must not be the case with the wimpy engines Toyota uses).

    I have never had a need for a clutch override switch. Maybe because i know how to drive a stick. Just another example of how it is the driver, not the truck, that really matters for off-road peformance and abilities.
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    I doubt anyone on earth can sense 5ft/lbs of torque difference. Why dont you just drive one of those old cars that you have to wind up to start?

    No one is forcing the driver of a toyota truck to use the clutch start cancel it is just a bonus. It is like a remote control for a TV. If you have it why not use it even though all you have to do is get up and change the channel.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    I don't think the clutch cancel switch is for steep hills. 1: you'd still have to release the brake to allow the truck to move forward and "bump" start it going up hill. 2: this is just an opinion, I don't believe a starter has enough power to pull a truck up a steep hill and start it.

    I would venture to guess if for some reason you're bogged down and the legendary Toy won't fire, the magical switch allows you to pull through for a short distance.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    franke writes:


    "Sounds like you Toyota boys need a class in
    driving a manual transmission. The way to get out
    of a tricky situation with a stalled truck is to
    1. right foot on brake
    2. left foor on clutch
    3. start truck
    4. let foot off of clutch until you feel clutch
    engaging but not all the way engaged. (this will
    hold truck in place on hill)
    5. give a little gas and let your clutch out the
    rest of the way. "




    If you have never been stuck while offroading, you have never been offroading. The clutch start cancel switch is an ENORMOUS benefit. It makes it a SNAP to get out of some slick spots when on a hill. It's a great feature. You can nitpick all you want, but it s a real truck feature, and it works very well.




    \\Of course, this only works if your truck engine
    has enough torque at idle to hold your truck in
    place, (which must not be the case with the wimpy
    engines Toyota uses).\\



    lol. The wimpy engine that has more max rear wheel torque than the Ranger? Ill tell you what frank, maybe you and I should have a little race through the hills.

    \\I have never had a need for a clutch override
    switch. Maybe because i know how to drive a stick.\\



    No, its because you have never been ofrroading. Get a clue.


    \\Just another example of how it is the driver, not
    the truck, that really matters for off-road
    peformance and abilities.\\


    This may be true in equally matched vehicles. But a solid offroad vehilce will give a driver of equal skill OODLES of advantage over a lesser vehicle with the same driver.

    Please go back to the cHevy vs Ford board. This groups doesn't appreciate ignorance like this.
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Click on this link to see pictures of a Toyota Tacoma towing out a stuck f150!

    Click on the link and then click the OFFROAD ADVENTURES text on the left, and the pictures will load.
    http://www.tacomaterritory.com/

    Enjoy!
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Hey spoog, don't forget the recall lists and the TSB's, especially the ones on the electric vehicles, LOL!!! I guess it's been a few posts since you last mentioned them.....for the thousandth time. BTW... oodles? Man you crack me up.
  • scottssssscottssss Member Posts: 147
    Seems like a neat gizmo. but i learned how to start on a hill when i was a kid.. the starter would burn up if you used it to pull the truck up the hill so the truck has to be out of gear, Correct?? .... so how is it different from the heel toe method??
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    Don't forget about his favorite magazine article! It's where he developed the belief of the Taco's V6 having more torque than the Ranger's V6.

    :oD


    JK, spooge.
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    you might not be able to notice 5 lb-feet of torque, but I can guarantee you'll notice 30! yeah baby, go ZR2!
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Frank - I guess I was an expert on how to drive a stick when I was first learning to drive cause' I used to slip the clutch on steep hills like you. When I got older, learned more about cars, and according to you became less skilled at using a clutch, I found out slipping the clutch that way was very hard on it. I was shown by another novice, according to you, how to use the parking brake instead and our clutch plates seem to last over 100,000 miles while others typically only last about 60,000. I guess we're just inexperienced.

    scottssss - I think that the idea is to start in 4WD low, not to only use the starter.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    That extra torque in the ZR2 would be great but that pinging and knocking engine scares all of the wildlife some of us off road people enjoy seeing.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Forgive me scottssss, that ZR2 message should have gone to eagle63.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    What pinging and knocking in the ZR2?
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I'm just making a derogatory comment because this is a Ford/Toyota forum and I'm not a Chevy fan anymore.
  • xena1axena1a Member Posts: 286
    Although I'm not currently driving a Chevy, I will say that the 4.3L in my old '90 1/2 ton was a GREAT engine. Powerful and torquey with very respectable MPG. Never had a lick of trouble with the drive train. No pinging or knocking of any sort. Sold it to co-worker. Still going strong at 100,000+ miles...
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Don't know much about that engine but I do know most of their V8's well. They have some good designs but poor quality control. Sometimes you get a good one and it can last. As far as the S-10 though, I don't know if any of them last. There sure is a lot of complaints about cheap looking parts, high oil usage, trans. problems, etc. I don't see many old S-10's, as a matter of fact I never see any old S-10's around me. I do see a lot of old Toyota's and quite a few older Rangers. My assumption is that the S-10 doesn't hold up with time. Read the Edmunds review that barely comes short of calling it a piece of junk. We'll see if the ZR2 nuts are still here in 6 or 7 years.
  • xena1axena1a Member Posts: 286
    I agree. I had some issues with the '90 Chevy 1/2 ton's build quality as well as braking and general handling characteristics. However, the drive train was outstanding...
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Excuse my poor grammar is that last post. I wrote too fast.
  • xena1axena1a Member Posts: 286
    No problem on the grammar. We've all seen many worse examples throughout these forums. Thanks for the input...
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    As I've said in previous posts, chevy could use a little work on vehicle reliability. Actually, I don't own a ZR2 nor am I even a chevy fan. -I'm a ford guy. but after extensively test driving compact pickups, (tacoma TRD, Ranger, ZR2, & even a Dakota) I was the most impressed with the S-10 ZR2. To me it drove the best, had impressive power, and looked cool. I like sticking up for it in this forum because S-10's have taken a lot of heat from both ranger guys and tacoma guys. If all of you who rip on it would go out and test drive a new ZR2, I think you'd be pleasantly surpised. And for a stock vehicle, it's far more equipped for off-roading than the ranger, and (despite what spooge says) probably on equal footing with the TRD.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I think that the ZR2 is a good looking truck it probably is a great performer but I question whether it will be reliable over time. As I have posted earlier, my last car was a Nissan 300ZX which I got instead of a Vette because I knew it would be less expensive to keep up and simply more reliable overall. My co-workers with Corvettes have quite a bit of maintenance after about four or five years while my 300ZX, after 9 years, had zero maintenance except for oil changes etc. Once again, I believe that Chevy has good engineering but poor quality control in general. GM could easily turn itself around like Ford did with the right leadership.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    One more thing, I will admit that I haven't owned a GM vehicle in about 10 years. It is possible that their quality is improving, however, I have yet to see a lot of evidence of that. If I keep hearing from people like you and xena1a that you're having good luck with Chevys then I may change my mind.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    My brother in law is a ASE certified mechanic, owns his own shop, he has seen quite a few 4.3's go over 200,000 with routine maintenance and never had the valve covers off. The 4.3 has seen a few improvements lately like port fuel injection and a balance shaft, and I can tell you its silky smooth with plenty of power.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    Hows the cat back? How much improvement in power and gas mileage?
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    I'm loving the cat-back. I haven't checked the mileage yet. But, the power increase is very nice. The auto tranny shifts into the next gear much earlier, as adequate power is able to turn it sooner. I don't have any scientific equipment, but by the seat of my pants I'd estimate around 10-15hp & 10-15ft/lbs increase at the rear wheels. I'd definately consider it a must have upgrade for all you modders out there (a relative bargain for $180).
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    As for the GM's, I think that their power trains (especially the 4.3 & 3.8) are powerful and reliable. It's amazing what GM has been able to do with push-rod designs. From friends and relatives who have owned GM vehicles, I'd say that GM quality has improved over the substandard '80s and mediocre early '90s.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    Sounds good, I'm definately getting a cat back as soon as I get my tax return. It might not be much (1-2 mpg?) but let me know how your truck is doing.
  • meredithmeredith Member Posts: 575
    For purposes of efficiency....

    this topic has been "frozen." Please continue these discussions in Topic 1813 Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - VI. Thanks.

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