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$55k and it's gotta be loaded up to the gills.
Local used lot has a 2010 550i GT, seems to have every single option but HUD (the one thing I would want), I think they want 40K for it - been sitting there for 2 months now. Probably cost around 80K as well, new.
I drove a 535i sedan and then a 550GT and having sampled the V8 I'd say get that one. Why else would you get a BMW? The V8 is so much more responsive.
For $55k I'd pick that very lightly used V8 over any other 5 series. Well, except a wagon.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/15/2014-acura-rlx-first-drive-review/
$61k for FWD, 272 lb-ft, and 6EAT in an Acura?
In this day and age that is a steal for $50s pricing.
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2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
For low $40s, nobody would blink.
But SIXTY ONE GRAND!?
They've completely lost their minds. And that's not even the AWD model.
When used, V8 is fine as it doesn't seem to command any premium over others - and might be easier to negotiate, probably less mass market demand.
I actually had a comparison chart done and the Equus Ultimate (with the 4 seats, massage, etc...) had more features than a 760Li or an S550 for about half the money.
But realistically if I was in the market for a car in this range ($72k CDN) I'd just go for a CPO Benz or Bimmer. The Equus is a perfect car for realtors or companies that want to chauffer their people around in complete luxury but without having to outlay a ton of money (relatively speaking) to do so spend a lot of money on maintenance.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
I predict maybe a couple thousand sold (to brand loyalists) initially, then sales ending up where the RL left off.
Oh, and "PAWS"? Funny.
I have to wonder if there are any non-publicized leases available to it for corporate users. The consumer lease deals I have seen weren't amazing.
I never see anyone I know aspiring to drive a RL.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
The V8 Bimmer had 500 miles...I know it's a slippery slope, but that seems more new than CPO to me.
AWD should have been standard, if only to get away from the Accord comparisons.
PAWS sounds like Jaguar's name for all wheel drive.
Good one! :P
Regarding the RL, yes, AWD should be standard. It needs something to differentiate itself other than odd eyes.
Not new.
Not used. Not CPO either.
Call it Unused?
HOWEVER, I will point out that the nicest used one to go through auction had just 2k on it and sold for $48k. So you are still paying a premium on this car to buy "new."
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Man, why aren't these Bimmers being driven at all? 2k miles?
Couldn't afford the premium fuel?
After test driving several competent cars, but none as fun as my Miata, I decided to buy...
New tires!
I didn't like the stiff ride over the awful potholes here, plus the SUV-like fender gaps in the wheel wells. So I did a bunch of research and found 2 people running a bigger tire size (what I want), and a 3rd running a much bigger tire size.
My stock size was 205/45R17, but there is also a 215/45R17 factory tire. I purchased 215/50R17, same as the 2 folks mentioned above.
So I'm 4.9% oversized, 0.4" more sidewall. But...the difference is only half that compared to the 215mm size, and that's within the +/- 3% industry tolerance for tire size variation.
I stretched a bit, but didn't go too crazy.
Tire Rack has a close out and that prompted me to order them now. Shipped to a local shop for mounting hopefully next week. Will take before/after pics. I hope these fill out the wheel wells a little better than the tiny looking OEM rubber.
A 3-door would be right around $16k auction. A 5-door is more like $19k.
It's a 5-door - that's a big difference in auction price for the two extra doors.
Sounds like the $18,975 price is a great one - or indicative of problems, but the carfax is clean.
Maybe I'll check it out further next week if it's still available.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
I was very pleased with the way it drove - thought it was sporty enough in handling, and acceleration was at least adequate. I like the styling inside and out. Rear legroom was decent for the size of car. Quiet on the highway.
Without a direct contrast to the Mazda3 or Focus, I like it. But I plan on taking a closer look at those two again. And that used Golf TDI is a strong contender too.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
How do you evaluate a lease deal? I can back into the payments using the terms of the lease, but what do you negotiate on? The money rate and residual are set, right? So do you concentrate on the cost of the car (cap cost, right?) just like with a purchase, and figure the payments that way?
Is there a rule of thumb on what a good lease payment is based on the relative value of the car? How much is "too much" to put down ($0 down would be nice)?
Thanks for the input - I'm certainly well versed in negotiating the purchase of a car, but not sure how to do so with a lease.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
With new tire it will read a little slow, but by about the same difference.
Bob pointed out my gearing will be 5% taller but I'm fine with that, as even 6th gear is way too short.
Some times I look for 7th, because 6th revs so high i think im in 4th!
Still haven't found 7th gear. LOL
I drove the 17"s but with the sport suspension and felt it was slightly brittle.
I had your recent review in mind during the test drive, and I didn't really notice any harshness to the ride, though I can't say we went over any particularly bad roads or bumps.
My wife definitely likes it over the Mazda3 in the styling department - though she did say that if I like the drive of the Mazda better then that should bear more weight in the decision. I'm definitely swayed by the fact the Mazda3 is due for a model change and the Elantra GT is a fresh design.
I'm interested to check out the Focus to see if that auto trannie is as bad as everyone says. And I'll likely check out the Impreza too.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
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Interesting. Will be curious to hear your impressions. If the ride quality is better, is it because of the bigger sidewall or that its a different tire? Maybe some of both?
BTW- are you on the miata net forums?
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
There is actually a lot to focus on when you are talking about a lease. 1st & foremost is the selling price of the car. You negotiate this just as you would a purchase.
The residual value is set by "the bank," or leasing company.
The lease rate or money factor is also set by the bank, but dealers are allowed to mark this up to make additional profit. The dealer will play the "it's only $20 per month more" card, but that $20 is actually $720 over the 36 month life of the lease.
All leases have what's called a bank fee or acquisition fee. This is set. Usually somewhere between $500 & $800. I know for a fact that BMW allows its dealers to mark this up an additional $200 (for added profit).
There is an article somewhere on the web (maybe even here on edmunds?) that breaks down on whether a lease is a good deal compared to traditional financing. I forget what the exact number is but it's something like $150 per month per $10,000 or something like that.
Don't put any money "down" as a capitalized cost reduction. Roll your taxes into the payment. If your car gets stolen or totaled at any point, that money will be gone.
Keep in mind that aside from the bank fee I mentioned above, you are also on the hook for a disposition fee (usually $350) at the end of the lease (if you keep the car that long).
Check your state's law regarding GAP insurance. All leasing (& finance) contracts written in NEW YORK STATE include GAP insurance. The state of CT does not, so dealers can bang you over the head with that in the F&I office.
Did I leave anything out?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Sitting in the rear, I had plenty of room though I wished the seat bottom was raised just a tad higher. I think three in the back would be fine for a short trip but two would definitely be the better choice. There's a whole lot of goodness in this car and it reminds me of Honda but Honda from two decades ago when they were fun cars to drive. This is a fun car to toss around and I never felt like it was underpowered even when passing is required. The kick down wasn't too abrupt but not as smooth as some other cars but nothing to cause any concern at all. This is a well thought out and constructed product and I commented to a co-worker that this was probably going to be the next vehicle on my side of the garage...I like it that much! I would definitely want the preffered package as I must have alloys on any future vehicle I own...steelies and bolt on covers will no longer do. Although I like a sunroof, not sure if I'd spring the extra cash for the Limited model but if someone has to have the sunroof and larger and somewhat nicer alloys, this would be money well spent.
Great job Hyundai and hoping that the refresh will add some nice changes. I've seen pictures of the new Kia Forte, the fraternal twin of the Elantra, and can not wait to run them back to back to see how different they are. I prefer the Elantra's looks but from what I've read, the Forte will be a force to reckon with and have exceptional optional add-ons like a power drivers seat, something I think every car should have. As much as I lust for the 3 Series or C Class, my two dream vehicles, this is one car I'd be very proud to own and if I weren't the frugal and logical person I am, I'd have one sitting at home right now...I'd proudly turn in my low mileage '06 Civic on this puppy tomorrow!
Look for my review of the 2013 Ford Focus coming to this Edmunds forum soon.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
$179/month for 24 months, $2,499 down. Reviewing the details and backing into the terms, that comes out to a "purchase price" of MSRP ($20,340), cap cost reduction of $2,320, residual of 75% and an interest rate equivalent of 2.85%.
I assume if nothing else, you can negotiate down that cap cost off of MSRP and thus reduce the down payment.
For those more familiar with leases, how do those terms hit you?
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
The base model had heated seats, so it's well equipped, but no pano roof stand-alone option like Ford has.
I'm on Miata.net (juiceman) but not very active.
Although I have no direct experience I have heard countless complaints about Ford's mytouch system as is borne out in sandman's post. I like the look of the new Focus and I know that lower trim lines can be purchased without mytouch or I guess you can learn to live with its idiosyncrasies.
Gogiboy
My wife also drove an F10 and her comment was, "I hate it; it's a boat."
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
shoc
My 2007 MS3 has behaved itself ever since it hit 60,000 miles. At 116,000 miles the front suspension is clunking a bit; if I keep it(the odds are currently 50/50) I'm going to replace strut/shock mounts and fit Bilstein Sports at all four corners.
I window shopped at the Ford dealer yesterday; they had a Focus ST with no options. All of the options I'd like(heated Recaros, HIDs) are bundled with nav and MyFord Sucks, I mean Touch- which gets you close to $29,000. The car just doesn't have any personality, and to add insult to injury it's not nearly as quick as the Mazda either. I also hate to give aid and comfort to the UAW(although I might if the car was compelling enough), so that knocks the ST off the radar screen.
The Abarth is no rocket either, but at least it is an engaging drive; the exhaust not alone is worth the price of adnission.
Still need to check out an FR-S; the nearest dealer is Oxmoron Scion, which is a store I refuse to even visit. Swope owns a Scion store, but it's over on Dixie Highway, which is in the opposite direction from virtually every other destination I visit in Jefferson County...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
The next 1 series is supposed to come as a sedan, let's see something light and more 2002-like than the current car.
I'm more worried about torque steer than a lack of character, that thing should have AWD.
Make a half day of it and have a meal at Mike Linnig's...