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  • dodge50dodge50 Member Posts: 14
    Yes GM may sell more cars that is because they have divisions in there company. this is why GM sells more cars & trucks they have more junk. Rocles & Redsilverado thanks for agreeing with me that GM is having problems with there junk trucks
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    when passing a Dodge dealership, I noticed two rows of Dodge trucks that looked absolutely absurd. The had about 12-18" gap between the tires and the fenderwell. Small tires on a lifted truck is what it appeared to be. Why does Dodge do that. If they want to have a lifted or the tallest trucks, fine, but what's with the minature tires?
  • robert1972robert1972 Member Posts: 51
    Ford diesel better than the cummins??????
    Wow, guess there is no point talking trucks to you any more. Look at all the post on problems with the navistar eng, now look at the cummins

    THERE ISN'T ANY!

    ,
  • robert1972robert1972 Member Posts: 51
    I went to the web site you said, there was nothing on sales figures, but I remember in 99 the F-series sales were more than the toyota camry(#1 selling CAR in america) and I know for a fact that it was more than only + 15k over the chev.

    anyone else have the accurate figures for this?
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/otf0999.html
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    between Ford and GM, again who cares - there both good trucks.

    Dodge50, get a grip. Dodge does not have any probelms with trucks, haha. GM has problems, everyone has problems, are you that blind to see that. Statements that say GM sells junk is just absurd. Ford has divisions also Lincoln and Mercury. GM has many more divisions than Ford (I personally think they have too many), so these "best selling" number are not always accurate for a company.

    Robert1972, it's been my experience that the Ford diesel is stronger than the Cummings. I think the Cummings is a good motor, I just prefer the Ford, and just about anything over the GM diesel. Hopefully their new diesel will live up to their exptations. Cummings doesn't have any problems? - Ok, if you say so. Those sales figures are close though. If they were like the Dodge, which is way behind, you may have an argument, but it's not...
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    To Dodges 20-50 and Ford 30, Pick a name, stick to it, and learn to use spell check until the teacher gets around to teaching you the rest of your ABC's. I will address you as Dodge/Ford 20-50 until you stop making stupid comments under one name and then hiding behind a new one.Also, you will Find the Caps lock key on the far left of your keyboard. Press it once and never ever touch it again BECAUSE YOU ARE YELLING AND SEEM LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS in addition to being ill informed and narrow minded.(Sorry, I know, too many big words, take a second to ask Daddy what they mean if you want.) Each manufacturer has its share of problems. Some are due to faulty design, some are due to improper maintenance, some are due to the fact that everyone turns out some lemons. Ford has had Piston knock, Chevyy has had steering problems, Dodge has had bad tranny's, and I've heard some electrical problems on Tundras, I'm sure other problems will turn up once they've been out for awhile. Pick what you like, take good care of it, and hope for the best. You may get 200,000 trouble free miles, or it may become a money pit at 50,000.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    sounds like a new brand of motor oil...
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    you're right it kinda does.
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    I don't pledge alligeance to any brand, but it seems that some think "their" company can do no wrong. I have a 2000 Silverado which I like, but it's not perfect. The sunvisors suck, and I had to take it in for a alignment, but it runs really good. 4 doors are perfect and it's a great second family vehicle...
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    I love my Ford because it's never givwen me any problems and it has done almost everything I've ever needed it to do without problems. But I also love all trucks. I think they're all awesome... Rams, Silverados, F150's, Tundras. They're all well built.
  • amaleamale Member Posts: 2
    A friend purchased a new 2000 Dodge 4x4 in December 99. 6000 miles later and the truck sat at the dealership for 13 days waiting for a new transmission. He as given a passenger van to use while his truck was waiting, and the truck probably still would be waiting until he told the dealership he was going to start hauling his construction equipment in the van unless they got him a 1/2t for replacement. Dealer could not get transmission so they removed one from a new truck sitting on the lot. The transmission was completely destroyed and could not be repaired. So I guess the old story is true you get what you pay for. The Dodge truck is cheaper so I guess that says it all. Cheap truck=no reliability= one customer that won't be back at trade in time.
  • lariat1lariat1 Member Posts: 461
    That sucks to buy a new truck and it dies like that but it proves that all manufactures make lemons. On the good side for Dodge I know a guy who bought a 2000 3/4 ton with the Cummins drove it off the lot and down to Seattle (I live in Fairbanks,AK) picked up a 28 foot boat and towed it back. That is about 5000 miles round trip you have to go over something like 6 sets of mountains I figure if a truck is going to break that would do it.
    When I bought a 97 F-150 I had to call a tow truck so they could get the truck after the water pump completely destroyed itself, and then after one year they put a new transmission in it and after 2 yeas when I traded it in it had a loud clunk coming from the transmission again.
    The point is go buy the truck that YOU want, enjoy it, and if it happens to break thats what the warranty is for.
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    cause I had problems with mine and no a lot of other people who have had problems also. Hopefully that new multispeed auto that's in the Dakota Quad Cab is a better design...
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    for crappy trannys....and brakes..

    - Tim
  • robert1972robert1972 Member Posts: 51
    Where and how do you count?
    Look at the ytd (year to date) sales ford is exactly 76,980 sales ahead of chevy according to that site. Just in april ford sold over 22,000 truck more than chevy.
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    You do know that Chevy and GMC are part of GM don't you?? YTD, GM is 95% of Ford. Dude, like I keep saying WHO CARES? That margin does not mean a whole lot. If your comparing Ford to Dodge or GM to Dodge it would be a big enough margin to argue about but 5%? I would expect the margin to go down a little when the Duramax comes out, but maybe not, but again it does not matter if Ford outsells GM by 5% or GM outsells Ford by 5%, it's just not a big enough margin to talk about. Enough said...
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    Dodge has drums in the rear that are no doubt way out of date. The thimg that makes it worse is that they have self adjusters that don't work so as they wear, if you don't have them re-adjusted, the rear brakes become ineffective to say the least. The ironic thing is that the Ram rear brakes are subcontracted to GM. Yup! The crappy brakes on the dodge are made by Chevy!
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    thats a nice, but what does that mean? GM doesn't use them. GM's trucks stop on a dime.

    besides, isn't it GM brake pads? The whole system, which is the real performer, is Dodge, correct? Or does GM provide everything from pedals to master cylinders to computer controls to hydraulic lines, to actuators, shoes, clips, and drums?
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    GM makes the crap for Dodge...to go with the rest of the truck...and makes the good stuff for themselves!

    ....so what's the problem here?.....make your competitor look bad!!

    - Tim
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    I believe that it is supposed to be the entire rear brake assembly. This is information that was posted by kcram in another topic. I do not have the first hand source. I also agree that even though GM makes the ineffective brakes that dodge has been stupid enough to use them. Being a dodge owner , I admit that the brakes are inferior to the competion. In fact if they don't have 4 wheel disks by the time I get my next truck, they will not be considered.

    Tim, It's true that dodge has the ability to bring out a truck with good looks. Its too bad that after all those years of looking at the chevy box that they came out with a new shape that is hardly different from the last twenty years. The chevy does have more leg room in the back seat of the extended cab but that is the only thing in the interior of the chevy that is better. I sit up front, not in the back seat. I find the dodge more comfortable for the driver. The dash has better style and ergonomically designed than the chevy. For some reason they don't want to get rid of the squarish layout that they have embraced since the seventies. But I'll give you rear seat legroom, brakes and fuel economy.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    well, GM asked their customers, and they didn't want them to change. and sales are up.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    I participated in a forum a while back of current Chevy owners...they had about 12 different mock up designs of new Chevy Trucks....they asked what we would want...I chose one similar...as most did..to what the new Silverado looks like now. It's what the Chevy buyers wanted. Thanks to GM who listens to us...I have the look I want.

    People try to beat up GM for having that similar look....and Dodge fans try to pick on us...but geez....Dodge seems to sell no where near as much?...hmmmm....They have a truck company (Dodge)that has sold real numbers only for a whopping 6 years...and it's still no where near GM sales.

    Maybe Dodge should go with their 70's look?....no..wait a minute...that didn't sell either...

    - Tim
  • robert1972robert1972 Member Posts: 51
    sure if you combine gmc and chev they are close, but ford still out sells them.The point is that they are still two different companies, like buick,olds, pontiac etc.. Combine all of thoes and they are probably the best sellers in the world. The + & - margin goes with each manufacturer. It's like if you have a brother which makes millions every year and lets say you only make 20K the same year is his money yours too? Or if someone in your family murders someone, do you go to jail for it, why not you have the same last name, like chevrolet and gmc, both gm brand but not when it comes to sales figures.
    Remember I am a Dodge fan, BUT the facts are the facts.
    Also keep in mind I am not knocking the trucks, I do like them also and I think the old 350 eng was the best sm built I prefer the ford 460 as the best bb and the cummins the best diesel, put that cummins in the chev and I will be first in line to buy one.
    R....
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    there the same truck, but whatever. The fact is there close, it's all GM no matter what you say. There built on the same line, using most of the same parts. Hang onto that Cummings, it may not be in them very much longer. I'm not a fan of Dodge, Chevy, Ford, Toy, etc., I just buy what I think is the best value. For me it was the Chevy this time.

    Styling is evloutionary instead of revolutionary, which I like, but I wish they would have went a bit farther with it. It is kind of boxy...
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    Keep one thing in mind: GM is far larger overall than Ford. That says alot when you realize that Ford outsells GM in trucks. Hmmmm
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    What does it say? GM sells more cars than anyone on the planet. Enlighten me.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    Miller lite? sounds like he had plenty before that last post!

    just kidding, Roc. now really, was it 6 pack? or 12?
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    er...twelve beers? Only in the morning. ;)

    My point was that it would be expected that GM would sell more trucks than Ford--yet it doesn't.
  • markcordmarkcord Member Posts: 113
    Since we're ripping people for improper grammer/spelling/etc. can you at least get the darn name straight: it's CUMMINS not CUMMINGS.
    Sorry guys. Let the banter resume.....
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    i don't agree with that. just because GM makes more cars, they should also sell more trucks? two entirely different divisions, with different customers.

    Its not like GM is 2x as big as Ford. Isn't Ford the 2nd biggest automaker. about 90% of GM. guesstimating.
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    Ford is about 90% of GM, which is a lot of vehicles, but not a lot when you look at it percentage wise, and GM is about 95% of Ford's trucks, so it's pretty equal.

    markcord, sorry about the spelling, I meant to say Crumings...LOL...only one m this time...
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    Ford is second but I don't think it's 90% of GM. Maybe 75? Hell, 20 years ago--barely 50.
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    I haven't checked that # lately. 20 years ago 50%? hmmm...interesting...
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    Ford outsells GM in many models of cars. GM has more models. Oldsmobile, Pontiac.

    Remember GM is quite a conglomeration of car companies. INCLUDING the truck division. One company with different acquired divisions. Just like Ford buying up whoever they just did, (Volvo? don't remember or care)

    point is, what the hell does the acquiring of car divisions have to do with trucks, that are self suficient? Nothing.

    Quit drinking Roc!!
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    Deep Thought:

    Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed.
    Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery
    and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might
    be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to
    myself, "It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come
    true than be selfish and worry about my liver."

    --by Jack Handy

    A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.

    --W.C. Fields

    24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?

    --Stephen Wright


    When we drink, we get drunk. When we get drunk, we fall asleep.
    When we fall asleep, we commit no sin. When we commit no sin,
    we go to heaven. Sooooo, let's all get drunk and go to heaven!

    --Brian O'Rourke
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    cdean,

    It's overall production percentage to a particular segment of products, ie:trucks. If sony outsells panasonic 4to1 in appliances but panasonic outsells sony in vcrs--don't you question it? Panasonic must be doing better than Sony in actual quality since Sony has a higher advantage in image and exposure.
    In fact, Ford buying other car companies to close the gap only further illustrates the truck issue. Volvo and other acquisitions don't make trucks. Gm's divisons have been together since ww2--so what's your point?
    DeWalt sells more tools than Milwaukee. However, Milwaukee sells more reciprocating saws than anyone (sawzall brand). Why? They were the first but are also still the best in that field. It may be narrow of a focus, like trucks, but it must pay.
    I do drink alot but I must make sense out there somewhere. ;)
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    Point taken and understood. But i disagree. (with your point about trucks, not the fact that you drink alot.....)
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    Good. Because I can drink! ;) LOL! Whew! Better get back to estimates...
  • meredithmeredith Member Posts: 575
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