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Frontier vs Ranger - II
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a mount that holds it to the dash, also if you want to, you can bring a laptop with some mapping software on it and the GPS will show your position on the map. SO you can get a whole setup that will do everything you need for around $3-400.
Never again will I have others trying to get me to show where Vince8 is a liar. Vince8, you've proved your ineptitude in spades. Your dishonesty is obvious to all.
Secondly, I must thank you for behaving like you're writing an article for Bias Bashing Monthly. It doesn't matter if people prove you wrong, you just go blindly on exposing your bias. You held your head up high - just high enough to take that pie full in the face, yet you didn't flinch. You didn't alter your position one iota, even though everyone could see you were wrong.
This has also helped me in discussions here. If someone says that Nissan Skyline GTR runs too slow and is unreliable, I need only point out that it's one of your claims and the whole argument crumbles.
It's also much easier to claim that certain Ford evangelists are cuckoo. It will be so much easier to say to some Ford fan, "You're beginning to sound like the avid Vince8," to force them onto the defensive as they try to distance themselves from you.
And thanks for showing us the people here who still try to defend you after you've blown your credibility so greatly. It's amazing to see it, but then it's no more amazing to see you make post after post that reduces your opponents to laughter.
So my hearty congratulations for a job well done. Others might have tried to avoid looking like an a@#hole, but not you. You stuck to your guns even as your arguments were destroyed, thus giving us a textbook example of a Non-Ford bigot.
Since you obviously feel so sure you're always right, I'm certain you'll link to the new "Is Ford doing something right?" thread from the Edmunds Town Hall. After all, if you're right, you have nothing to fear.
I mean, you wouldn't wimp out and keep quiet or summarize things in your own words, would you?
I even quoted Edmunds and used their data to show you that the Ranger is number 1 for a reason, and why the Nissan Frontier doesn't even show up on the top 25 cars and trucks. So, keep the bashing of Vince8 coming. I'm not going anywhere as long as you keep bashing the Ford Ranger..... And by the way my Ranger runs great!
Still here, so you call it a life when you refuse to look at anything you don't agree with? After several months, but you still have time to come in here and spread half truths around? HA! You keep talking about the crash test, but you won't talk about the ranger's terrible braking and you can't explain why there are no differences in the injury ratings between the ranger and frontier, you also somehow seem to forget that they did not test any 2000 frontiers or crew cabs either, (mighty convenient). Where are you getting your reliability info, EVERY publication rates the frontier higher in relibility. Performance, all you are quoting is a sliding scale from edmunds, Have you read the open road review I have offered to fax to you yet? Why are you still chicken? Truth hurts right? Look under your truck yet? I know its only been 3 months, but I know you do have a life. OK what areas do comparable rangers outperform frontiers? If you are going to quote Edmunds you ought to at least know what they did.
So actually you haven't proved anything but you don't know what a rebuttal is or how to respond to one, the info you posted is hardly the end all and uncontested proof you are looking for.
You mean the Quest that Nissan sells to Ford! hehehe. Oh since when is 37% of 100 a control number? They may have a large number but, again who cares? Nissan or Renault whoever YOU want to call them still sells their product to Ford!
www.auto.com read the article again...
cncman, reliability of the Nissan isn't much better than the Ranger, 1, I say again 1 point better than the RAnger, also look at www.carpoint.msn.com, once again the Ranger is about even with the Nissan if not better for some years... You really don't like that crashtest data do you?? Keep twisting the facts cncman.. www.crashtest.com and carpoint, and Edmunds say the Ranger is rated better.. Sorry you don't like the bad news I bring to your attention about your Frontiers....
Just curious because this really has nothing to do with the topic, but are you sure Nissan sells the Quest van to Mercury, because I had heard it was the other way around?
I just want to get this straight, you say the ranger is safer than the frontier, even though the current models have not been tested, and the frontier does not have any worse injury ratings than the ranger, please explain. To me higher injuries=less safety, lower injuries=more safety,
so how am I twisting this?
Whether it is 1 point or 100 points depending on who did the numbers, fact is the frontier is still more reliable than the ranger, proven fact, like I mentioned before, this does not mean that you cannot have a reliable ranger or that all rangers are junk, just that the odds are in Nissan's favor, you can't despute that. You also can't dispute that the frontier has a lower cost of ownership, (intellichoice.com)awards for the frontier include, the lowest maintenance cost in the compact pickup class, and the lowest repair cost in its class. and the best compact pickup 2 years in a row. Guess you can't handle an article that contradicts what you say huh?
I guess you are the one that doesn't like anything bad being brought up about the ranger, you still ignore the head to head comparison done by open road magazine that out the frontier ahead of the ranger in on and off road performance. Even when someone comes in and tells us about the terrible ranger they had, engine problems, leaks, unreliable, you start making fun of them, or tell them it was just their bad luck. You still haven't proven anything other than you don't know how to support an argument and have run out of ammunition in your little bag of tricks, and have to repeat the same info that has already been disputed. BTW I think I will end every post with "Vince did you look under your truck yet" Maybe I can put a countdown timer here too, "69 days 14 hours and 12 minutes with no answer"
if there is, I have never heard of it, it is possible that maybe Nissan shared some of it's technology as part of the deal, alot of folks are after Nissan's fuel cell technology, but so far as swapping parts in anything other than the villager/quest not that I know of.
BLOOMBERG NEWS
Ford Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. may wrap up their Ohio minivan joint venture in 2002, two years earlier than planned.
The plant in Avon Lake, Ohio, produces minivans that Ford sells as the Mercury Villager and Nissan calls the Quest. Ford is attempting to cut costs by trimming its range of passenger-car chassis from 29 to 15, and those for light trucks from 18 to 16, by 2005.
Nissan and Ford are discussing whether to end the accord in 2002, though "nothing is finalized yet," Nissan spokeswoman Debra Sanchez Fair said. "Regardless of whether that agreement continues, we will offer a minivan."
And all this and still time for all that rugged four wheeling in the mountians in that hea..er..Ranger.
I've yet to figure out how whether Renault controls Nissan has to do with the Frontier that's sitting in my garage.
>I notice the safety issues has been swept under
>the carpet. The RAnger is safer on all data >points towards this.
oops.
that can't fit in my Acura, as well as being a very good Winter traction vehicle. As an ex-mechanic,I was fortunate enough to always have big American "classic" station wagons as my 2nd car for the past 20+ years, plenty of room, so-so in Winter. I've decided to buy a NEW 4-WHEEL DRIVE PICK-UP TRUCK. Started looking last week at Ford RANGER, MAZDA B3000 SE Cab Plus 4 --and-- Nissan Frontier XE-V6 King Cab. Nissan looks and handles a bit "better" all around, Ford is a very close runner up, but Mazda is offering 2.9% finance (Connecticut)and I really like the Med. Willow Green Metallic color (perhaps NOT the smartest way to make a decision). >> NOW I "hear" talk of vast improvements for 2001 << I'm very "limited" with $$$$, but I DON'T want to skimp and purchase foolishly either.
PLEASE GIVE ALL COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS to assist me in making the "right" purchase. Should I wait until 2001? Is the 2000 Ranger (or Mazda) a "better" or "not as good" as the Nissan ?? Thanks for your help !!
If the only thing that really attracts you to the Mazda is the rate, just ask yourself how happy you will be with the truck when it is paid off. Nissan is offering 3.9% for 24 months and up to 6.9% for 60 months on the frontiers now. I think they are all solid trucks each has advantages/disadvantages to the others. Just drive them all and go with the one that feels the best to you. Good luck.
If I were you, I'd wait until the '01 trucks came out. Both Ford and Nissan are receiving major engine upgrades (Ford - new 4L and 2.3L I4, Nissan - supercharger on the 3.3L).
If you decide you like the '00 truck of whichever make, you'd be able to swing one helluva deal. Dealers don't like last year's models sitting on the lots.
www.crashtest.com, www.msn.carpoint.com, and right in your backyard here at Edmunds rate the Frontier worse than the Ranger... Your reliability argument is also down the drain... Check Edmunds again on older Rangers vs older Nissan, 1, I say again ONE point difference between a 98 Ranger and 98 Nissan. Carpoint also shows the same data... I never said I "hated" Nissan. I just got sick and tired of the constant Ford bashing from uneducated, uniformed, bias people. I have had great reliability from my Rangers and will continue to buy them. All you Nissan folks just hate to hear the bad news about Nissan. A few posts back cncman wanted a link saying Renault controlled Nissan, well he got it!! LOL.....
I just purchased a 2000 Nissan Frontier Desert Runner SE with the 3.3 V6. I did my homework on all the major automotive dot coms and found that the Toyotas and Nissans seemed to be rated at or near the top across the board. However, the one I most trust Consumer Reports because of their non-profit status and reputation. They actually said that the Ford Ranger was the best buy among compact trucks. So, I decided to give the Ranger a chance and take a test drive. I drove a 4x4 4.0 Supercab XLT, Toyota PreRunner with TRD and the Nissan that I have now. The Ranger had the lease acceleration even though it had the biggest engine. It also rode extremely rough and the fit and finish caused some rattle along with some serious wind noise at higher speeds. The Toyota accelerated the best but also rode rough. The Nissan has good acceleration but the ride was by far above the others. I was able to swing a much better deal than I could on the Toyota and the Nissan had slightly more room in the cab so I made the choice.
Vince, I don't doubt that you have had good luck with driving Fords. I know other people who have too. I don't think we're going to convince one another who's right no matter how many references or posts we do. What matters is: personal experience. I happen to have better luck with Japanese makes (Toyota and Nissan). I have a friend who had about 170k on his 2.3l Ranger before he traded it off. It was still running, although in not anywhere near the shape my Nissan was at 163k. If the Ford makes you happy, then by all means drive it. That is what America is all about: personal choice.
By the way Vince, I have owned Ford's in the past (including a Ranger) and they don't even come close in overall quality to any Nissan truck. My 2000 CC SE is far superior no matter how many attempted bashes you try. Good luck.
I also noticed that you post on the Honda Accord boards. My 2nd car is a 2000 Accord, and it is one of the best sedans in its class. Since you now own one, I am sure that you agree. But back when you still owned that piece o [non-permissible content removed] Contour you probably bashed the Accord as well. Who knows, some day you may get a Frontier and change your mind. Maybe your Ranger engine has slightly more power, but look at the whole picture. My Frontier CC has more than adequate power, and I drive it hard all over SoCal. I have been off-road on steep grades with no problems. I cruise the SoCal freeways every day at 80mph (traffic permitting) with no problems.
Once again, go read the two years of poor quality reviews on the 1998 Ranger long term test and then come post a response. You can run, but you can't hide. Don't igonore the real facts.
I bet you think everyone is just picking on you. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it is YOU that is the problem? Probably not. That would be contrary to your train of thought.
This is the Nissan version of Vince8 call me Stan9. Ford is anything but Job 1. I have showed you they have more recalls than anyone. Keep the Nissan bashing comming...I know you all are just envious of my frontier. Face the facts Ford's 'gauze pad' for the Ranger is putting the new 4.0L in the 2001 models because they know how embarrassing it must be to own a 4.0L that puts out a measly 160hp. My Frontier will stomp your Ranger in the Cascades, are you scared?
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Wow what was that?.....it was soooo fast I didn't even make out what it was...maybe a Ranger? Who was that masked man????..........................
Just Vince8 the 'Lone Ranger' LOL
The only way he could go through life and communicate the way he does is anonymously or with GREAT health insurance coupled with a high pain tolerance. :-)