Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    RL does also, but one owner complained that the info is not always accurate. Garbage in, garbage out.

    Nice price, though.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I'm sure real-time traffic reports is just a matter of time before that's commonplace with in-dash units. That's the next logical step for improvement.

    As juice said, this info is only as good as the source it comes from; but again, this is sure to improve with time.

    Bob
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    for 60k ! sure.

    But Garmins work perfectly. Their points of interest is amazing comparing to others. this has 6 million of them
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    There are a lot of reasons why the RL is around $60K, the NAV being only a small part of it.

    Point is, you have to start somewhere. Better units will be found on less expensive cars in due time.

    Bob
  • mikejlmikejl Member Posts: 78
    I just wanted to chime in on the premium vs. regular question. I tried both regular and 'plus' grade gas in my Tribeca. I'll stick to premium. I firmly believe the engine runs much better on the 93 octane stuff. On regular and plus, it seemed almost balky at times and did exhibit more of the 'hunting for the right gear' that I've read about. Low-end acceleration also seemed much better on premium. It probably wouldn't be as noticeable on a trip with mostly highway driving, but with shorter trips, lower speeds and more stop-and-go conditions, I think it makes a big difference.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I defnitely noticed a minor hit when my wife accidentally put regular gas in my previous Outback with the H6 (I always put premium in myself). It had less zing and did not run as smooth.

    I honestly don't understand why people are so against premium fuel -- the added cost is around $120-150 a year for vehicles in the 20mpg range doing 15K miles a year. If the engine is truly optimized to run on premium, you are likely to recover a chunk of that with better gas mileage on premium gas. For $10-12 a month or less, I will stick to premium. We're talking about $30K-40K vehicles here; if you can afford payments on that, the monthly gas cost penalty for premium ought to be peanuts.

    Craig
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I use the printer analogy; I've always had a laser printer and don't want to be spending twenty bucks a month on ink. Toner lasts me years. I can rationalize the capital expense of buying a new car infrequently but paying extra for fuel when most other cars on the road get by on the regular blend grates at my frugal nature.

    Steve, Host
  • kmartinkmartin Member Posts: 427
    If I remember correctly, the 05 Outback had such good angles of app/dep that the insurance institutes gave it a "light truck" status (there were numerous discussion over that a year of so ago). With its higher clearance than the Forester, I would think the OB would win that argument. Does anyone have the comparable stats for the B9? I haven't seen them anywhere.

    -Karen in AZ-
  • kmartinkmartin Member Posts: 427
    Mrlover, come on over to the Dark Side :-)

    Actually, my second best advice would be for you to go back a few months in this very forum and start reading as much of our comments as you can stand. You'll get lots of varied opinions and ideas to give you an idea of what you are looking at.

    My first advice would be to go to your local dealer and take the 24-hour test drive...you won't want to give it back ;)

    -Karen in AZ-
  • phan7phan7 Member Posts: 7
    Finally purchased a Ltd. 7 seater Atlantic Blue, 300 over invoice last Saturday. Wanted one with puddle lights and none of the dealers had one in the area. Ordered one from the factory and will arrive in 6 weeks. The dealer was Matt Slap Subaru in DE. The experience with this delaer so far has been good though the invoice did inclde the $275 SDAF charge and the final price included about 120-150 worth of Delaware specific paperwork besides registration fees, title and the normal stuff which I wasn't expecting :( .

    About reliability of Infinity vs Subaru, Infinity had 11 complaints per 100 vehicles vs Subaru which had 8 complaints per 100 vehicles for the yr 2004. Subaru topped the table beating rivals Honda, Acura, Toyota and Lexus :) .
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    If I remember correctly, the 05 Outback had such good angles of app/dep that the insurance institutes gave it a "light truck" status

    Actually it is Subaru that decided to categorize OB as truck to get away with government's CAFE requirement. OB never has good approch/departure angles. What Subaru did is simply raised ground clearence to 8.7" and called it a 'truck'.
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    I don't see how your analogy works here. If you want to live with hampered performance by using regular gas, that's your choice and the car will have no problem with it. The on-board computer will simply re-adjust the timing to avoid pinging. Like I said, it is already underpowered even with premium gas. And you did mention power is one of the factor you like your FX35. You can't have both power and cheap gas unless Subaru offers a larger engine (3.5L H-6) :D
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Just looked at Subaru.com at the OB XT, and the B9. Neither one has the rear differential protector as an option. MAybe it has been incorporated into the design?

    As for a skidplate - I beleive Paisan may have some sources for that. Subaru never offered it, you had to go private for that. It comes in handy on the streets of NY :)

    Mark
  • autodrivenautodriven Member Posts: 16
    Hey "mrlover":

    Personally I think that "B9" exterior is one of the ugliest I've ever seen. I put it in the same category as that Pontiac "Asstec". If I'm going to drive a vehicle, yes - it must be reliable and dependable, but it needs to have some style. If you absolutely "must have it", then I suggest you wait a year for them to work out any "bugs"; plus you will see tremendous rebates since nobody in their right mind will be buying that ugly piece of sheet metal. I like cars/SUVs to be unique and creative too. However, I think Suburu missed the "boat" on this one; or should I say, made the front end look like a boat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Karen: that had to do with the angle of departure, but not the angle of approach. The Outback's front bumper sticks out quite a bit, so I'd pick a Forester to go off road. Plus the full size spare issue.

    -juice
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    You'd have to go with an '05 or older Forester to get that full-size spare. I believe it's a donut for 2006. :(
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    WHAT? Where did you hear that?

    Bob
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Don't hurt me, Bob! I'm just the messenger.
    cars101.com lists these 2 new "features" for 2006 Forester models:
    1. "new underfloor cargo cover storage (because of temp duty tire)"
    2. "new temporary spare tire replaces full size"
    Because this info is so specific, it seems accurate to me. Edmunds & KBB both say full size, however. I'll pose the question to 2006 owners in the Forester forum.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    Unless they raised the price in the last 2 months the RL 49,900 no options.

    Accura has done probably the best job yet at intergrating sophisticated software and inlectronics into an automobile.

    There is virtually nothing you can not do with through voice command in that car. It virually does it all.
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    Regarding your puddle lights - I hop[e I am wrong but when my pre-order came in thay did not put the puddle on stating they were having a problem getting them. Maybe this is over but check it out because they can not be installed later

    I did not accept mine and lucked out finding what I had ordered at a dealer
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    What do you of Angelina Jolie-)
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Like I said, it is already underpowered even with premium gas.

    Power, per se, is not a relevant issue with respect to octane number. The energy content of a gallon of gasoline is pretty much the same regardless of octane rating (see e.g. octane number at answers.com).

    I could take issue with Steve's laser printer analogy since he has grossly overestimated the cost of ink cartridges and ignored the quite significantly greater cost of laser printers over ink jet printers. I won't do that, however, since it would set a bad example for hosts to engage in off topic debate! ;)

    tidester, host
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Power, per se, is not a relevant issue with respect to octane number. The energy content of a gallon of gasoline is pretty much the same regardless of octane rating (see e.g. octane number at answers.com).

    That's too simplistic of an approach. That's like saying a carton of yogurt has the same calories whether I slowly eat and digest it or just rub it all over my face. One method will obviously convert more of the calories into useful energy for my body. Same goes for octane -- it affects the combustion process and (when properly used) results in more efficient combustion and more output power. Colin can jump in and give us a real treatise on the topic.

    In the case of the last generation H6, it lost 4HP off the peak of 212HP with regular gas, and had other unknown power losses throughout the rpm range (that generally took the zing out of the engine). I suspect the power loss is even greater on the new H6, which is outputting more HP per displacement than before (up to 250HP now) and has more high-tech features.

    I would love to see good MPG data on the effect of regular gas in vehicles optimized for premium. I mean, what would bother people more -- that their vehicle requires premium or that they give up 3mpg by using regular? Personally, I'd be bothered more by a gas mileage penalty or the thought that I was limiting the efficiency of the engine.

    Craig
  • dbjonesdbjones Member Posts: 5
    >This can do it for $700

    Note quite, as stated on Garmin's website:

    "Traffic alerts with optional GTM 10 FM TMC traffic receiver"

    No idea how much that will cost.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Man, you have no idea how much that pisses me off! Dumb move Subaru! DUMB! DUMB! DUMB!

    Bob
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Tides, I'll see you in I Don't Like Inkjets Why Do You. :)

    My '97 Outback has a donut spare (with my mounted snows, that makes 9 shoes for that puppy). So it's not like it hasn't been done before. And my cargo tray thing doesn't fit with a full size crammed in the donut space.

    It is however, almost as irritating as a face full of yogurt.

    Steve, Host
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Mmm... donut.
    Mmm... yogurt.
    Doh!
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    Power, per se, is not a relevant issue with respect to octane number. The energy content of a gallon of gasoline is pretty much the same regardless of octane rating (see e.g. octane number at answers.com).

    That is correct in respect to energy vs octane number. However, on a mordern engine that is highly tuned for premimum gas, using a lower octant gas will cause engine management switch to a timing that is safe for the engine which almost always resulted in power loss. On the other hand, if a egine is optimized to regular gas, using higher than recommened octane gas is waste of money in most times.
  • djc1djc1 Member Posts: 13
    I ordered my LTD 5 pas. this month in NY. They hit me with a $45. charge for reg. and title even though I am taking the car out of state and doing all the reg. myself. The paperwork charge is bull! I would rather they tell me it is a charge to pay for their golf game then paperwork. At least I could accept that
  • b9driverb9driver Member Posts: 118
    As mentioned before, I have the 5 passenger B9 in blue and the video was not an option on that model. Not that I wanted it. The drop down blocks the aft view and is not in a great position for small kids. It's also hard to use and load from the front seat...and it's just one screen. I called Icon-TV and for 1575.00 they installed this system:

    http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/mvideo.jpg

    Front is 6 inch widescreen. Rears are 7 inchers. Each has it's own remote and headphones and the whole thing is far more versatile than the stock unit. Plus I can see out the rear window! The player is under the passenger seat and I may change this, though it's pretty easy thus far to change a disc. Sound is through their own modulator and I've yet to hear anything but clear sound. But I still want a direct hook-up and they promise that they'll handle that as soon as they get the paperwork on the radio. The photo doesn't do it justice. Looks 100% stock and quality of Icon-TV is very high. The RF headphones are amazing. You can walk away from the car and they still work! Anyway, if you didn't get the stock video, don't dispair. This is far more bang for the buck. Screens can also work off of different sources as well...video camera, games and so on.
    I'll keep everyone posted on the direct hookup, which will also allow (finally) Ipod and Sat. radio. But for now...I'm a happy camper!

    Robert B
    NY
  • occkingoccking Member Posts: 346
    I have the Garmin Street Pilot (4210 model, I believe) and there are some situations "it" wants me to go a different route that can be considerably longer. Not sure if you are familiar with Boston area, but "it" doesn't want me, when I am neading north of Boston towards NH to take I93, but wants me to take 3 instead. As crazy as it may seem, there have been times I was only 20 miles from my destination (Concord, NH) and "it" wanted me to turn back south on 93, take 495 south then up route 3 to my destination. At that point, if I listened to "it" my 20 mile trip would have become 70 miles! I am sure all Nav systems have some idiosyncricies (can't spell that word) like that & the system in the Subaru is no different.

    By the way I have Outback 2.5i Ltd, 7 months now, up to 18k miles & love the vehicle. But, I do have my eye on a Beca. Saw my first one on the road tonight. May take one of those 24 free trials. Good luck with yours!
  • delewisdelewis Member Posts: 10
    Hi all!
    I've been reading the forum for a few days and now I'd like to ask a question. I am reaching the end of the lease on my present vehicle and am thinking seriously about buying a Tribeca (the only thing else I'm even looking at at this point is the Chrysler Pacifica, but there's really no comparison). My dilemma is I don't really need the 7 passenger capability, and I know that the 5 passenger has additional storage under the floor where the 3rd seat would have been, but no navigation is available. There are no 5 passengers at any of the Central Florida dealers to look at right now and I'm wondering how much additional space there is and if it's worth the trade off of not being able to get the Nav on the 5 LTD (and why not, I ask rhetorically). Can anyone help me out with that info.

    Thanks,
    Don
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    The 5 is not worth it. There are only 4 (I believe)little cubby holes under floor on the 5 seater.

    With the 7 seat you can get nav but you also get rear ac vents in the rear cabin - 4 cieling vents in all, with a speed control.

    Living in Florida they will well appreciated. You also a better sound system with 6CD changer
  • b9driverb9driver Member Posts: 118
    There are no 5 passengers at any of the Central Florida dealers to look at right now and I'm wondering how much additional space there is and if it's worth the trade off of not being able to get the Nav on the 5 LTD (and why not, I ask rhetorically). Can anyone help me out with that info. >>>

    I bought the 5 Passenger model after I tried the 7 seat model. I found it just about useless. I couldn't forsee even "emergency use" out of them for the kids because they are so small and cramped. Danny Devito would kick you in the ankle if you made him sit back there.
    As a sailor I've been using mapping GPS for quite a while and it's just not a gee-wiz feature for me in a car. If you're a traveling businessman who regularly explores new territory I can see some appeal, but for most folks it's a toy and that 2K will go towards the downpayment on my new boat! The DVD was something I wanted and I added a superior system aftermarket-pictured here:
    http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/mvideo.jpg
    Some folks find a use for the 7 seats and that's fine. Additional storage without them is minimal. In the end think hard. I feel I made the right choice, but you don't want buyer's remorse. Whatever you decide DO get the limited with the better stereo and the leather!

    Good luck!

    Robert B
    NY
  • b9driverb9driver Member Posts: 118
    With the 7 seat you can get nav but you also get rear ac vents in the rear cabin - 4 cieling vents in all, with a speed control. >>>

    That is one feature I do wish I had! But even without it the AC is really excellent. More control over temp. is always a good thing. On the other hand after hearing about slower 0-60 times for the 7 pass models, I'm glad to have the 5.
    In the end look at those seats. Can you use them? If not (and you decide you must have the nav) then it really comes down to paying for the seats just to get the nav. Life's tough for us B9 fans.

    Robert B
    NY
  • foxbat121foxbat121 Member Posts: 211
    With the 7 seat you can get nav but you also get rear ac vents in the rear cabin - 4 cieling vents in all, with a speed control.

    Actually I found out it is more than just addition vents. There is a heat changer in the right rear corner as well to serve the rear. You will actually see water drip out of the right rear bumper.
  • dcabdcab Member Posts: 101
    The sound system is the same in both the 5 and 7 seat limited (160 watt, 9 speakers MP3, subwoofer).

    If you're never going to use the 3rd row, it's a question of whether it's worth paying ~$1600 MSRP for the 7 seat version on top of $2000 for the Nav. Subaru hopes that you will...

    I find it hard to believe that the second row cannot be adequetely cooled in the 5 seat version. I believe that an owner of a 5 seat Tribeca indicated that this was so on this forum a few days ago.

    What's worth it and not worth it is a matter of opinion. I, myself, would never put my children or anyone else's for that matter so close to the rear glass, but I'm sure that others have no problem with that. With two children I cannot think of an example of when I wished I had more than 5 seat capability. If I frequently did, a minivan would be the way to go.
  • kmartinkmartin Member Posts: 427
    This news release from last year (and others I cannot find at the moment) imply that NHTSA did the categorizing, but I'm no expert.

    http://www.subaru.com/common/news/article_details.jsp?file=corp_ann_archive_2004.xml&artic- leId=20040114&attrNavItemId=news_corporate_ann

    -Karen-
  • kmartinkmartin Member Posts: 427
    dcab: I chose the 7 because of the AC controls, even though I'll likely never use the third row. Living in AZ in the summer, the rear AC fan and vents are an absolute MUST (It's been in the 110-116 degree range in the past two weeks). If ever there was a place for rear AC, God meant for Arizonans to have it. If I lived in a cooler climate, the 5 would have likely suited my needs just fine. Actually, it was near 100 degrees in Montana when I was up a week ago, so I turned on the rear AC for my friend's dog in the back seat (the only creature on earth more spoiled than me :-) )

    There is very little storage space under the cargo mat in the 7, which was a negative for me, but I managed to tweak the plasticky foam insert with a few swift utility knife carvings (use caution here...there are certain to be some risks involved) and now have custom-fit some of my stuff (mini-compressor, binoculars case, etc.).

    The Nav has been truly a blessing on a long trip, but as adept as I am at reading maps, I am certain I could have lived without it -- just wouldn't have been as much fun or help in finding hotels, Starbucks, etc. :-)

    foxbat121: I noticed the clear water drip from the rear fender for the first time today and figured as such. With our monsoon (rainy season) upon us, the humidity is pretty high. I assumed that vent was like a return air vent in a house, and figured that's where the drip was coming from. Thx for the confirmation.

    So, Don, it's just a matter of taste, priorities, and, oh, of course, budget! Good luck with all the choices.

    -Karen in AZ-
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    That's too simplistic of an approach.

    Obviously, but my comments were in reference to an unqualified suggestion that high octane alone determines energy content or power output.

    But thanks for the clarification! :)

    Also, I advise against applying yogurt to the face particularly during the summer months - commercial yogurt contains sugar which attracts bees!

    tidester, host
  • subienewbie2subienewbie2 Member Posts: 458
    Bob

    The price you gave for the DVD sys, did that include installation.

    It appears they did a great job on the install. The must have had to disassemble a lot of the interior.

    Looks great

    john - chicago

    PS Can you get me some Sabretts?-)
  • b9driverb9driver Member Posts: 118
    Bob

    The price you gave for the DVD sys, did that include installation.
    It appears they did a great job on the install. The must have had to disassemble a lot of the interior. >>>

    John, yes it did. After a nice tip I still spent less than the stock system and the warranty from Icon-TV is 3 years, unlike many others. The overhead unit is a cheap way to go for the manufacturer of course, which is why they are offered. The front screen is really slick and all I lost was the mirror. I also looked at the Icon overhead unit, which can be loaded from the front seats and had superior picture quality to the stock model for 1100.00 installed...but the rearward obstruction for the mirror is really a concern. I know others say it's not too bad, but I bought the B9 partly for the safety factor and any reduction in your vision is an added risk. Yes, you CUT into the the visor and headrests, but these are easily replaceable components.
    The only advantage to the stock unit is that you get the direct connection and a way to connect an Ipod from the get-go, while I'll have to wait a bit for that. The point is...is that if you didn't get the DVD CHEER UP. You can can a much nicer system for less or you can go crazy and put something really amazing in. Next I'll be putting in a subwoofer. The limited stereo is pretty good, but the included sub is way tiny!

    Robert B
    NY
  • delewisdelewis Member Posts: 10
    Robert,
    I am prettty much in agreement with you about the rear seat being basically useless, and I guess the only reason I am concerned about the nav system is for the additional screens that comes along with it. On the 5 what does the info screen show, is there only a single 'page', and can it be turned off? The installation of your aftermarket DVD looks great, and it shows me a little of the info screen and I see only 2 buttons as opposed to the 6 with nav. Do you sequence through different options, or are all there all the time.

    Thanks,
    Don
  • b9driverb9driver Member Posts: 118
    I am prettty much in agreement with you about the rear seat being basically useless, and I guess the only reason I am concerned about the nav system is for the additional screens that comes along with it. On the 5 what does the info screen show, is there only a single 'page', and can it be turned off? >>

    Don, the info screen supplies full status of the audio system, trip computer, outside temp, MPG computer and I think there are three different displays when you hit the info button, plus holding it down turns it off.
    When you get nav. with the DVD system stock, the DVD player will send a signal to the front screen while you are PARKED only. The video quality is not great. There should be a way to defeat this PARK only setting. Don't get me wrong, the Nav system is cool, but I couldn't get it without the 7 seats and I didn't want a weight penalty for something that just never gets used.
    As far as the AC goes, we've had terrible heat and humidty in NY this past week. RF temps have been 110 on a couple of days. I rarely have the AC above the #2 setting mark because it turns the whole car into an icebox. The AC is THAT good!
    My DVD system is much better than the stock system and less cumbersom and the front monitor works at speed and so on. If they offered me Nav. with the 5 passenger model, I might have gone for it just for kicks.
    Interesting note: My service guy at Port Subaru thinks he can add the Nav. system if I ever wanted it down the road. But with a new boat on the way, I'll probably opt for a superior Garmin unit that can do double duty. And to be honest, when I had my last mapping GPS I only used it a couple of times in the car. You have to decide on what you want vs. what you really need.

    Robert B
    NY
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    This news release from last year (and others I cannot find at the moment) imply that NHTSA did the categorizing, but I'm no expert.

    Karen, that is correct. I am sure Subaru knew ahead of time which classification they were going to get, but ultimately NHSTA makes the call. In my opinion, Subaru added features we have been requesting and it just happened to bump the vehicle into the truck category.

    Craig
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Looks good! Can you see any wiring going into the headrests? I assume it doesn't compromise the safety capability of the active headrest? (they pivot forward under rapid acceleration change to follow the head). $1575 is still a lot of dough, but it looks like a better deal than the factory system.

    How long did the install take?

    Craig
  • b9driverb9driver Member Posts: 118
    Looks good! Can you see any wiring going into the headrests? I assume it doesn't compromise the safety capability of the active headrest? (they pivot forward under rapid acceleration change to follow the head). $1575 is still a lot of dough, but it looks like a better deal than the factory system. >>>

    Craig, there is no wiring visible anywhere. Looks 100% factory. Install took a full day..dropped off at 9 am, picked up at 5:30. No problems with active headrests...one of my worries. Used it with my son today...worth every penny. I can't stress enough how much better this is than the stock unit. I checked another one out today while looking at a Forester for my father and the stock display not only blocks the rear view mirror, but your over-the-shoulder to rear quarter view as well. Anyone who's considering the B9 should take a pass on that DVD system and put in something better/safer.

    Robert B
    NY
  • kmartinkmartin Member Posts: 427
    I found this info at: http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/Temp/Sites/1571/c1524d6dbdb84786a3ac3068787452f0/2006B9- - Tribeca_Spec.pdf

    How does it compare to other mid-sized SUVs?

    --------------------------------------
    '06 Tribeca:
    Minimum ground clearance 8.4 in. Location of minimum ground clearance: exhaust pipe
    Angle of approach 18.0 deg.
    Angle of departure 21.1 deg.
    Ramp breakover angle 18.5 deg.
    --------------------------------------
    '05 Outback Wagon:
    Minimum ground clearance 8.4 in. Location of minimum ground clearance: exhaust pipe
    Angle of approach 18.7 deg.
    Angle of departure 22.0 deg.
    Ramp breakover angle 19.7 deg.

    -Karen in AZ-
  • kmartinkmartin Member Posts: 427
    Here's the latest reincarnation of the reviews links page. As always, please let me know of any changes, additions, omissions, etc.

    Enjoy!

    http://members.cox.net/kamartin/2006b9tribeca.html

    -Karen in AZ-
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